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Had a bottle of eZest around for a while and had been itching to find something to use it on (if nothing else for curiosities sake).
I didnt like the look of this Kennedy so it was given a 6 second count in a bath of pure eZest.
I'm sure I'll take a beating by some for the idea of dipping it but I wanted to go with a coin that had some potential to look good cleaned up and wasnt a high value coin.
I didnt like the look of this Kennedy so it was given a 6 second count in a bath of pure eZest.
I'm sure I'll take a beating by some for the idea of dipping it but I wanted to go with a coin that had some potential to look good cleaned up and wasnt a high value coin.
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You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
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Came out very nice!
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It is usually shunned on circulated coins that look worse when dipped.
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<< <i>It is hard for me to believe that it would take hours to rinse the dip and it makes me wonder if she really knows what she is talking about. >>
Having done the same thing as the OP with the same result, I wouldn't think it would take "hours" to totally rinse the coins. I never took that long, however, metal is pourus, so the longer you rinse, definately the better. You also have to remember, always rinse with cold water!! cold neutralizes, hot dilutes
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<< <i> and/or what do coins that have been dipped and not completely rinsed look like after they sit around for a while (do they haze over or tone in an ugly way or something)? >>
<< <i>It is hard for me to believe that it would take hours to rinse the dip and it makes me wonder if she really knows what she is talking about. >>
I think it was she that at one time recommended alternate hot water to "open up the pores" and cold water to close them. That's advice for pimples, not
coins! She is not a specialist in coins and her advice is flaky.
And rinse the dip off with WATER...30 seconds is plenty...not alcohol or acetone. These can evaporate leaving the acid residue on the coin!
<< <i>Proof positive that dipping can improve some coins. >>
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<< <i>Did you neutralize it afterwards with acetone or alcohol?
You don't neutralize acids with alcohol or acetone, you would use lye or baking soda for that. There is nothing in the dips that can't be removed with water alone. Since most tap water contains chlorine I wouldn't use that either unless it was aged for a day or two first. Rinse first with tap water, then with distilled water, followed by isopropyl alcohol.
<< <i>I wonder what it'll look like in a year? In the last Coinworld, Susan Mathby (sp?) said that she recommended rinsing a coin that was dipped in EZest by running tap water on it for hours to get rid of every last bit of dip residue off of the coin. It is hard for me to believe that it would take hours to rinse the dip and it makes me wonder if she really knows what she is talking about. Does anybody here know if coins really need to be rinsed that much and/or what do coins that have been dipped and not completely rinsed look like after they sit around for a while (do they haze over or tone in an ugly way or something)? >>
Sort of like if you get something in your eye the usual advice is to rinse/flush with water for 15 minutes. Why not 14 or 13 or 17? I spose there is some legal requirement or arse covering involved. Most things are probly washed out in 30 seconds if done right. I bet you would be hard pressed to find someone who could endure 15 minutes of cold tap water running on their eye/s.
E-Z-Est will turn the copper edge that unsightly pink and even though the obverse and reverse turned out great looking, that copper edge might affect the grade.
Another interesting thing about the coin was its condition prior to the dip! I don;t ever recall seeing that on a CN Clad proof! Was that straight from the set holder?
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Rinse while rubbing with bare fingers under warm tap with a liberal amount of the Goo-Gone, then wash with Ivory liquid for a couple of minutes under warm water. Pat dry with a paper towel.
EZ-est and jewel cleaner only work well with silver.
Regarding neutralizing - a quick wash with Ivory liquid and you're as good as new. No worries, no problems.
And yes, I have Lincoln cents (of all coins to turn colors) that have remained the exact same brilliant red color for five years after their bath.
I've posted this method before only to receive sneers and less than favorable comments.
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Oops also left in the Tar for 4.5 seconds too long!
I might try that goo-gone experiment on an SBA proof that went hazy on me...
I dip full strength for 1-3 seconds, swirling the coin around using plastic tongs.
I rinse under running tap water for 10-15 seconds. Lay on a bamboo fiber towel, turn the coin over to dry the other side.
There is no mystery. No acetone or alcohol. ALL the coins I have dipped are still bright and shiny. No spots. No, I'm not just lucky.
All the bad stuff written about dipping is just written by people who don't like blast white coins. Propaganda if you will.
Coins won't look bad years later unless they are stored improperly and ANY coin, dipped or not will turn colors if you store it improperly.
I just dipped an ugly toned 1962 Roosie last night. My wife agreed, it was a much nicer coin without the brown and black. It went from an MS-61 coin to an MS-68 coin in 2 seconds. I'm going to send it in with my next shipment.
Jonathan
<< <i>Actually Goo-Gone would have been a much better solution for this coin (and any copper or nickel based coin). The copper doesn't change color.
Rinse while rubbing with bare fingers under warm tap with a liberal amount of the Goo-Gone, then wash with Ivory liquid for a couple of minutes under warm water. Pat dry with a paper towel.
EZ-est and jewel cleaner only work well with silver.
Regarding neutralizing - a quick wash with Ivory liquid and you're as good as new. No worries, no problems.
And yes, I have Lincoln cents (of all coins to turn colors) that have remained the exact same brilliant red color for five years after their bath.
I've posted this method before only to receive sneers and less than favorable comments. >>
Not to dispute your experience Chuck but is it really wise to suggest "rubbing with bare fingers under warm tap"? This is after all a proof coin and anytype of rubbing would destroy the surface.
Edited to add: I am an avid dipper and will pick up some googone for future "conservations" so I am not sneering Chuck!
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This sounds great. Where do I buy this stuff ?
Re: "It went from an MS-61 coin to an MS-68 coin in 2 seconds"
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<< <i>IMHO 6 seconds was about 4.5 seconds too long for that puppy!
E-Z-Est will turn the copper edge that unsightly pink and even though the obverse and reverse turned out great looking, that copper edge might affect the grade.
Another interesting thing about the coin was its condition prior to the dip! I don;t ever recall seeing that on a CN Clad proof! Was that straight from the set holder? >>
As a first try I really wasnt sure how long to do it. The eZest container said that 5-15 seconds was recommended I decided to go towards the lower end.
As for affecting the grade. I appreciate the advice. While this coin will never be graded I would like to get enough practice to know that if I run across a something a little more valuable in a similar condition that I feel comfortable fixing the haze.
I don't ever plan on releasing this coin into the public where if it turns spotty etc... someone will be stuck with it. I really hadn't given it much thought as to checking back in on the coin at a later date, I just threw it in a flip and then a page of an album. I decided to label the flip "check in a year" this morning so that I can see if there is any spotting and take photos.
While some hinted towards the "dont ever dip" idea. The reception of the dipping on this project was better received than I figured it would be.
Thanks for the comments all.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
<< <i>Actually Goo-Gone would have been a much better solution for this coin (and any copper or nickel based coin). The copper doesn't change color.
Rinse while rubbing with bare fingers under warm tap with a liberal amount of the Goo-Gone, then wash with Ivory liquid for a couple of minutes under warm water. Pat dry with a paper towel.
EZ-est and jewel cleaner only work well with silver.
Regarding neutralizing - a quick wash with Ivory liquid and you're as good as new. No worries, no problems.
And yes, I have Lincoln cents (of all coins to turn colors) that have remained the exact same brilliant red color for five years after their bath.
I've posted this method before only to receive sneers and less than favorable comments. >>
That's a terrible method...I can't believe you would even post this garbage here
Sorry I didn't see anyone make negative comments after your post so I wanted to make sure someone met your expectations
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<< <i>It is hard for me to believe that it would take hours to rinse the dip and it makes me wonder if she really knows what she is talking about. >>
Having done the same thing as the OP with the same result, I wouldn't think it would take "hours" to totally rinse the coins. I never took that long, however, metal is pourus, so the longer you rinse, definately the better. You also have to remember, always rinse with cold water!! cold neutralizes, hot dilutes
You have no clue on the chemistry, but that's ok. You are right about rinsing in cold water, but it has nothing to do with neutralizing any better than the hot water. Hot water does not dilute any better than the cold water.
Hot water will make the molucules more active while cold water slows them down. Think of water. Heat it up and the water molecules move around so much that some start to escape into gas. Cool the water down and it will slow down and completely stop. Ice. Dilution has to do with a volume to volume ratio and a liter of water is a liter of water no matter if it's hot or cold. There may be a different number of molecules within that liter, but that's a chemistry discussion for a different day.
Cold water will not neutralize, just as well as hot water doesn't neutralize. Both cold and hot dilute, fer Chrissake, ITS WATER!
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<< <i>So I should crack out all of my MS65's, dip them and theoretically change all the grades to MS 69 ?
This sounds great. Where do I buy this stuff ?
Re: "It went from an MS-61 coin to an MS-68 coin in 2 seconds" >>
Only if they have ugly toning that hides the true luster.
eZest is not a miracle cure.
It only raises grades on coins with hidden luster.
Why, with the 1962 Roosie, you can now see the die polish lines that were once hidden.
I am not touting dipping for all coins and am not saying that it will raise the grade on all coins. But for those with haze or ugly toning, it works very well.
You might say, "There are two sides to every coin." Right?
Jonathan
You know, I don't know if the bamboo cloth I have is Chinese or not. I'll check the label when I get home tonight. My wife is Chinese and it is her cloth, but we bought it at the supermarket. Hahaha! I just recently discovered the bamboo cloths and they are very absorbent, and extremely soft so as not to impart any scratches when the coin is laid on the fibers. (Notice I did not say "rub" or "blot." ) The coin is just laid there and the fibers soak up the rinse water better than my cotton towels. As well, with cotton towels I have seen hairlines. I don't get that with the bamboo cloth.
Bamboo is a renewable resource. While many think of bamboo coming from China, it is grown quite a bit here in the SE USA. You can plant one plant and in a few years it will take over your whole yard!
Thanks for your question.
Jonathan
<< <i>IMHO 6 seconds was about 4.5 seconds too long for that puppy! >>
I was going to say the same thing - too long. A quick swish in and out would have been plennnty.
Edited to add: for simply light haze a non-dip like MS70 would have been sufficient and less volatile, imo.
<< <i>Rinse while rubbing with bare fingers under warm tap with a liberal amount of the Goo-Gone, then wash with Ivory liquid for a couple of minutes under warm water. Pat dry with a paper towel. >>
<< <i>Ahhh yes.... the dawning of the dipping age. Slowly people will understand that 'dipping' is not 'cleaning'.... and it deserves a place in numismatics with all that is good.... proper rinsing is important.. and several methods were mentioned here. If properly rinsed, there will be no 'future' effects. Cheers, RickO >>
It has a place.....Its called NCS........
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