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I'm hoping for an AU on this 1812 bust half??

bottleguybottleguy Posts: 354
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Also, any confirmation on an O-105 or 105A........ Any opinions graciously accepted!!

Thanks,

Rick

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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    It would be close and really depend on the surface.
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    It could be the lighting but I don't really see any luster which is required for an AU grade.

    I would think this is more of a high XF grade.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the look. It would fit in a hole in my Dansco just snug.

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The variety is O-105 (the fused dentils above the last 'A' in AMERICA on the reverse is the diagnostic). I can't tell if the die breaks are there for O-105a. If the photo is accurate, then I think you have a coin that has been cleaned (or more likely over-dipped) a while back and has retoned. There appears to be some luster in protected areas and the detail is there for an AU, but the surfaces look wrong. Also, there are too many deep hits on the obverse in the prime focal area to allow for an AU grade with the other issues with the surface. Of course, if the image is off, then I am not sure about the surfaces, other than the hits.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you will get an AU grade

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Body Bag for rim damage and ef45 if the first doesn't catch you.
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    BobSavBobSav Posts: 937 ✭✭✭
    The mark over the head is a little distracting. In hand might be different,
    AU ? Don't think so.
    Just noticed the marks in front of her nose also.

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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Where's the rim damage?
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top of the reverse.
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    I'm betting that's just the edge lettering.
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    bottleguybottleguy Posts: 354


    << <i> It could be the lighting but I don't really see any luster which is required for an AU grade. >>





    << <i>There appears to be some luster in protected areas and the detail is there for an AU, but the surfaces look wrong.t >>



    In hand, I can tell there is quite a bit of luster in the fields hiding under the toning. I agree the surfaces look wrong, I can't tell for sure what it is but the toning looks "off" if you know what I mean.



    << <i>there are too many deep hits on the obverse in the prime focal area to allow for an AU grade with the other issues with the surface. >>



    There do seem to be some significant hits on the upper cheek and in front of the neck.............



    << <i> Body Bag for rim damage >>




    << <i> Where's the rim damage? >>



    There appears to be rim damage on the reverse above the "ES" in STATES and the "O" in OF, but actually it's an over-punched "CENTS" on the rim, bleeding into the dentils.

    The more I'm looking at this coin, the more I'm thinking that a very quick dip (maybe 3-5 seconds) in E-Z-EST might improve the look of this coin. What say you?? I'm all ready to do it, and I'll post the results.........

    Should I?? And, what have I got to lose except for some strange surface toning.........?? I'm thinking this one will look great all nice and shiney!!

    Rick

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bodybag for dings and scratches.
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do not dip! It's already been dipped enough! You should never dip anything less than an MS coin anyway.
    Doug
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    BruceswarBruceswar Posts: 2,869
    I do not think E Zest is the answer...
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    MuscaMusca Posts: 288
    PLEASE DO NOT DIP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do not dip this... you will regret it. Seriously...

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    zeus135zeus135 Posts: 1,043 ✭
    Nice coin, don't dip it. Looks like a solid XF45 to me.
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your going to see some wicked west to east hairlines on this coin if you dip it.

    Leave it be, it is already a dipped out net XF coin, don't make it an eyesore.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    bottleguybottleguy Posts: 354
    Wow!! The Anti-Dippers are out in force tonight!! image

    Ok, I agree.. I'll leave this one be........... it looks great in the Dansco, and why mess with a good thing??

    BTW, how do you whiz a coin?? image

    Just kidding,

    Thanks for the input!! image

    Rick
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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would imagine what some are calling rim damage is from the edge lettering. Perhaps folks are too used to seeing these old coins in slabs.
    If the "color" is accurate this piece looks to have had some serious boinking going on in it's poor life.image
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I think no rim damage, only letters spilling over the rim. The marks on the obverse could be considered pokes, which might bag the coin as damaged. The details look AU. The overall look is suspicious, and I think PCGS would bag it for this reason. I think there is little chance this coin will see an AU grade from PCGS.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    unquestionably cleaned & retoned

    K S
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it was a Bust $, I think they'd slab it. A CBH like this one, though, I think they will bag. Sorry.
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