Does PCGS dip coins if you specifically request that they do so?

Longacre

I was taking a look at a dealer's case yesterday at the Baltimore show. He had a coin with a submission form/note wrapped around it in his case. On the form was written the following notation: "submit to PCGS for dipping".

Does anyone know if PCGS will dip a coin if you specifically request that it do so?

sinin1

no

I don't think so

tradedollarnut

I doubt it - unless it's in their best interests to do so [for example, appearance issues].

chiefbob

The small, retail collector sends in a dipped Morgan and it comes back BB.
A dealer sends it in, and it grades out real nice.



Longacre, this begs the question: why didn't you ask the dealer right then and there? I would be very interested in his/her response, if any at all.

UltraHighRelief

Which dealer, and which coin?

Russ

The submission form may have been a grade guarantee being submitted because of a problem that could be corrected by a dip.

Russ, NCNE

DoubleGoldEagles1

Can someone explain to me what dipping is, and if grading companies do this? Or is this frowned upon?

LeeG

<< <i>Can someone explain to me what dipping is >>



Dipped
A term applied to a coin that has been placed in a commercial "dip" solution, a mild acid wash that removes the toning from most coins. Some dip solutions employ other chemicals, such as bases, to accomplish a similar result. The first few layers of metal are removed with every dip, so coins repeatedly dipped will lose luster, hence the term "overdipped".






<< <i>and if grading companies do this? >>



Yes



<< <i>Or is this frowned upon? >>


Usually, depends on the coin, and other factors.

charley

Could this have been shorthand for submitting to PCGS with a notation that dipping is suspected, in order to avoid any misunderstanding by PCGS that the Dealer was knowingly submitting a dipped coin, considering the PCGS recent cautions to dealers? He could have been submitting on behalf of a client. Respectfully, John Curlis

DoubleGoldEagles1

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<< <i>Can someone explain to me what dipping is >>



Dipped
A term applied to a coin that has been placed in a commercial "dip" solution, a mild acid wash that removes the toning from most coins. Some dip solutions employ other chemicals, such as bases, to accomplish a similar result. The first few layers of metal are removed with every dip, so coins repeatedly dipped will lose luster, hence the term "overdipped".






<< <i>and if grading companies do this? >>



Yes



<< <i>Or is this frowned upon? >>


Usually, depends on the coin, and other factors. >>




Thanks for the information LeeG....

Coxe

I could imagine if one had a coin already in a PCGS holder, they might acetone dip it if you noticed PVC green developing inside the slab. That level of "conservation" is obvious and safe and the owner shouldn't be expected to crack out the coin and take the grade lottery again, for a fee at that too. I don't know that they do this, but wold not be the least bit surprised as it is a win-win. I doubt very much they would perform any other types of dipping.

DaveG

Acetone is not "dip".

BlindedByEgo

<< <i>Acetone is not "dip". >>





Nor does it remove metal like "dipping" does.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

Yes. PCGS has done it for me.


About 3 years ago--one of my first PCGS submission--my coins came back looking as if someone had sneezed on them or spat on them. I sent them back to PCGS demanding they clean them up. PCGS did, and my coins came back looking nice again.

a039

You dont ask for a "dip"- You ask for a spot or other condition to be removed. Then they dip it.

northcoin

<< <i>Yes. PCGS has done it for me.


About 3 years ago--one of my first PCGS submission--my coins came back looking as if someone had sneezed on them or spat on them. I sent them back to PCGS demanding they clean them up. PCGS did, and my coins came back looking nice again. >>




WOW.

GOWYO

Maybe this topic has been discussed elsewhere but I can't find it. If you have a gold coin that is graded by pcgs and has developed a copper spot can you send it in for re slabbing and have the shoot removed somehow?

Datentype

they will dip them out and misshandle and ding your coins up between the dip station and the grade station by putting heavy coins in silver tubes thus ruining the high grade chances and if they do not grade from there they stuff them back in tubes and ding them up some more. Even worse with commems. To all watch out they can easily cost you multiple thousands I suggest you provide flips for them and ask for special care.

Another worry are proof commems as they burned an entire submission of mine from a $120,000 search and then tried to get me to fill out something saying that I will accept my coins as is before they were to dip them when in reality they had already dipped them and knew they were burned. Easily cost me $10K plus and (probably a a lot more) and them at least 1 years submissions from me. Just for the record NCS at NGC isbetter with the coin care but worse on the actual dip part as they just flat out leave brown spots all over the coins leading to multiple submissions

I fyou want my advice get good at it yourself as it is nothing but a labor of love and only you are interested in your coins being all they can be. Trus me on this one.

OPA

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<< <i>Acetone is not "dip". >>





Nor does it remove metal like "dipping" does. >>



Only if you consider tarnish a metal.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Maybe this topic has been discussed elsewhere but I can't find it. If you have a gold coin that is graded by pcgs and has developed a copper spot can you send it in for re slabbing and have the shoot removed somehow? >>



it has been discussed here, at length and probably many times, at least a couple i've read since joining

unequivocally the consensus has been - yes, pcgs will do spot removal, i'm sure there are guidelines for this though
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ricko

<< <i>Only if you consider tarnish a metal. >>



OPA...acetone does not remove metal... or tarnish...only organics. Cheers, RickO

19Lyds

<< <i>I was taking a look at a dealer's case yesterday at the Baltimore show. He had a coin with a submission form/note wrapped around it in his case. On the form was written the following notation: "submit to PCGS for dipping".

Does anyone know if PCGS will dip a coin if you specifically request that it do so? >>

I believe its called "Spot Review" or "Grade Guarantee". If the spots on the coin can be removed via conservation with a light dip then thats what will happen.

Grade Review Before and After: (This is a Chargeable service if the coin stays the same grade)

..

Spot Review Before and After (This is a Free* service)

..

Of course, PCGS would never "dip" a coin where the results could potentially turn out disastrous (such as an XF coin). They are not doctors and as stated if the coin can be conserved to preserve the grade, then it will happen. There are many very experienced coin people working for PCGS and experience is the key in what or what not to do in conserving a coin. I have no idea what solutions may or may not be used

*-Shipping Charges and Handling Fee's still apply and must be paid.

baseballjeff

<< <i>they will dip them out and misshandle and ding your coins up between the dip station and the grade station by putting heavy coins in silver tubes thus ruining the high grade chances and if they do not grade from there they stuff them back in tubes and ding them up some more. Even worse with commems. To all watch out they can easily cost you multiple thousands I suggest you provide flips for them and ask for special care.

Another worry are proof commems as they burned an entire submission of mine from a $120,000 search and then tried to get me to fill out something saying that I will accept my coins as is before they were to dip them when in reality they had already dipped them and knew they were burned. Easily cost me $10K plus and (probably a a lot more) and them at least 1 years submissions from me. Just for the record NCS at NGC isbetter with the coin care but worse on the actual dip part as they just flat out leave brown spots all over the coins leading to multiple submissions

I fyou want my advice get good at it yourself as it is nothing but a labor of love and only you are interested in your coins being all they can be. Trus me on this one. >>



This is AWFUL! How, and why are you still collecting coins when PCGS does this?!

OPA

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<< <i>Only if you consider tarnish a metal. >>



OPA...acetone does not remove metal... or tarnish...only organics. Cheers, RickO >>



Ricko...I know that, I was referring to this quote.

"Nor does it remove metal like "dipping" does. ">>



Only if you consider tarnish a metal.

lkeigwin

PCGS has conserved coins for me many times, via the spot review process. They successfully treated PVC and verdigris; there was no need to use something as harsh as Ezest.

I have never been disappointed. But there is a risk. E.g., acetone can do funny things to RD and RB copper.
Lance.

STONE

While I don't have direct evidence of this occurring, I sent in
an Indian Cent which came back a different shade of red, with
additional hits on the obverse, easily bumping the grade down
from a 66 to no better than a 65. I suspect they dipped the
coin, but like I said I don't have any evidence for this nor did I
ask them to mess with my coins. Fortunately I did take pictures
of my coins (including this IHC) before I submitted, as well as
pictures of the IHC after it returned, and there were noticable
difference's visible in each set of photographs.

A letter to David Hall explaining this dissatisfaction went unanswered

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Ugh, double posted.


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