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Question about PCGS buy back

BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
If one purchases an already-slabbed PCGS graded coin that has problems, will they buy the coin back from that person, even if they did not submit the coin for grading?

I purchased a PCGS-graded coin that has obviously deliberate parallel and diagonal scratches on the reverse, essentially cross-hatched graffiti, and am wondering whether they would refund the cost of this coin. I don't have pictures, but the scratched cross-hatched pattern is readily visible to the unaided eye with a point light source.

Thanks in advance for responses.
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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just out of curiousity, could these be adjustment marks ?

    is the coin of Draped Bust type ?


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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The buyback stays with the coin, no matter the current owner.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    you have to pay and send it in for review


    be awful sure that those scratches are not pre-strike

    but post mint damage
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin is a Seated Liberty half and the scratches are definitely NOT adjustment marks. They are scratches from someone taking a pin and lightly scratching in a cross-hatch patttern above the eagle long ago. The coin has since toned, but the graffiti is apparent in hand. It is very apparent with a 5X loupe. The serial number is about 3,600,000, so the coin was graded a while ago.
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    so now you have to decide if it is worth the hassle


    You need to determine what the coin would be worth as graded without problems

    it is going to cost you near $40 and your coin will be gone about 45 days

    if they agree with you - they will contact you and make an offer



    if they do not agree - they send your coin back to you

    welcome to PCGS (and all TPG's) guarantee



    in many cases - the coin value does not justify the effort and time
    occasionally it is a few $K or more - then for sure


  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It probably isn't worth the effort. I could probably sell the coin on Ebay and break even or make a profit off of the fact its in a PCGS holder if I don't mention the problems.

    I t is amazing to me to learn what coins make it into TPG slabs. I feel better now about some expensive coins I bought raw that have very minor flaws that I have worried about. They should make it into TPG slabs without any problem considering the issues with this coin. (I know, don't hold your breath)
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  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It probably isn't worth the effort. I could probably sell the coin on Ebay and break even or make a profit off of the fact its in a PCGS holder if I don't mention the problems.

    I t is amazing to me to learn what coins make it into TPG slabs. I feel better now about some expensive coins I bought raw that have very minor flaws that I have worried about. They should make it into TPG slabs without any problem considering the issues with this coin. (I know, don't hold your breath) >>



    You mentioned useof a 5x loupe to best see the scratches. I was surprised to learn that TPG coin graders don't use magnification to grade the majority of coins. I don't know whether a coin that has a blemish not easilly visible without magnification would even qualify for the guarantee.
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The graffiti is visible with the unaided eye. It is alarmingly obvious under a loupe, or under a binocular scope at 7X (which is always handy for me and which I usually use to examine coins).
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  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The graffiti is visible with the unaided eye. It is alarmingly obvious under a loupe, or under a binocular scope at 7X (which is always handy for me and which I usually use to examine coins). >>



    That would be a cool gadget to have - a binocular scope. I'm guessing it allows for a 3-D effect that using a loupe with one eye squinted would not offer.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    A small amount of graffiti has become acceptable on the more rare coins. i.e. net grade. They might not consider it a problem coin and then you would be out the grading fees and shipping fees. Your best bet is to get an opinion of a PCGS certified dealer before returning it.

    If you don't like the coin then I would suggest selling it at auction like Teletrade or Heritage. The buyer will see the graffiti and make his/her own decision as to if they want it or not.

    You can also try the BST forum. Just put pics and a price. It's free of charge so that would be a good first start.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    where did you purchase the coin? did you consider returning it to the party that you bought it from?

    just curious. image
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Please keep in mind that the PCGS guarantee is based on market price and not what you paid for the coin. The offer price could be negotiable but in a lot of cases is not. You never know until you try.

    If you do offer the coin on ebay and do not mention the damage, rest assured that someone on these boards will spot it and will flame the crap out of the auction without mercy as many just love to find this stuff!

    Based on what you are describing, a picture would be very helpful.

    My response would be, if the coin is damaged as you describe, send it in for a grade review. PCGS will respond accordingly.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The graffiti is visible with the unaided eye. It is alarmingly obvious under a loupe, or under a binocular scope at 7X (which is always handy for me and which I usually use to examine coins). >>


    Any chance they might be polishing lines from the die? Do you have any images to share.


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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭



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  • Barbarian.

    Rumours that I have heard is that PCGS was net grading the
    very minor problem coins some years ago.

    But with the advent of the new sticker company (CAC?),
    they no longer net grade those type of coins, they are
    now all being sent back in body bags.

    Maybe some others on the board have further knowledge?

    Regards, Steve K.
  • .......i think the graffiti was burned in by a laser thru the plastic
  • Respectfully, " ....if I don't mention the problems." Is this possibly what happened to you? Without Malice. John Curlis
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭
    No need to mention the problem, since PCGS coins are market graded. All coins of the same
    grade are worth the same. The "grade" isn't really a grade, but a price point.

    By the way, a PCGS dealer is not allowed to pay you less for the coin than he would for other
    PCGS coins of the same grade.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No need to mention the problem,

    Yet another reason not to buy a coin sight unseen. Some may say there could be a return privilege, but I wouldn't want to be bothered. Let me see the coin, I'll either pass or play.
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  • Thank You, Frankcoins, for the information. What would be your thoughts if you were selling this coin and it has the graffiti mentioned? Would you clarify this point to the Buyer, if he didn't see the graffiti? Respectfully and Without Malice, John Curlis

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