Vintage player Game Used Cards...

Guru

As I'm searching through my cards, I've found that I have a lot of vintage players cards that are game used or auto'd. I did an ebay search tonight of some of those players and was stunned at what I found. Compared to newer players like Joba Chamberlain, Hunter Pence, Jacoby Elsbury, etc. these vintage players cards are selling for extremely low prices. What I don't understand is this, there is so much emphasis put on players from the past like Musial, Jenkins, Mantle, Aaron, Jackson, Cobb, Munson, Feller, etc. that you would think their cards with auto's or game used would go for much higher. This seems to not be the case at all. I don't get why someone would rather pay more money for some new rookie than for a piece of Cobb's jersey or bat. That's just me though. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation. Anyone care to chime in about this?

Allen

Cobb isn't going to get any more hits. Pence might hit .400 this year and they will talk about him everyday on ESPN, I doubt they mention Cobb. When you see kids on youtube showing cards they have no idea who the older players are and usually cannot say their names right. Its all about whos NOW.

rpcoletrane

I don't understand it either buddy. The autos of those guys with the exception of Jenkins and Feller, sell pretty well. The game used cards aren't as hot though. Thats the part that gets me. You'd think there would be an end somewhere to Ruth jersey cards. He could have only worn so many jerseys, unlike the guys of today, who wear a new one each day just to keep up with the demand from Upper Deck, Fleer, and Topps, LOL. This is a main reason why I like vintage so much!

SportsItUpCards

Thats exactly why I like this card so much

Linky

This is my only autographed jersey card, and it happens to be an old school player, who probably didn't wear that many jerseys in his entire carrer.

Giovanni

Guru

Dude, that is a really awesome card.

Allen, I see what you're saying about the Now. It makes sense.

Jeremy, I've been thinking that once I sell all of these bulky monster boxes of over printed modern stuff I might go vintage. I've got a little bit, but not much.

SportsItUpCards

Guru,

Vintage what? Jerseys and autos, or vintage cards?

Giovanni

Guru

Probably vintage cards as a whole. I mean, if I run into something cheap that I can afford I won't pass it up. I've set up a budget this year for each month to keep myself out of trouble. So, I'll probably start working on some goals once I get the stuff sold. So, lol, to directly answer your question, probably a little of both.

SportsItUpCards

<< <i>Probably vintage cards as a whole. I mean, if I run into something cheap that I can afford I won't pass it up. I've set up a budget this year for each month to keep myself out of trouble. So, I'll probably start working on some goals once I get the stuff sold. So, lol, to directly answer your question, probably a little of both. >>



Cool lol

I can appreciate a nice vintage card, but for now, only autos and if I come across some old timer's jerseys, then jerseys too. Good luck with your new goals!

Giovanni

Guru

From what I've seen on here and read about, there seems to be some nice vintage sets out there. I think I really never got into vintage when I was a kid because the only vintage outside of a few situations was of guys with big bushy mustaches and really long sideburns. For some reason they really scared me. I know that's goofy, but it really did.
The sets that really appeal to me are what I would really call vintage. Like pre-war and up to around early sixties. I know that the pre-war stuff is really cool. Long term though, I'm thinking I'd like to have an example of every different card out there. I think it would be neat to show my kids someday the progression of the hobby.

swartz1

I went to a card show the other day - I could have had a joba auto for about $400...


or a steve carlton auto for $10....absolutely ridiculous...

Bottom9th

<< <i>I went to a card show the other day - I could have had a joba auto for about $400...


or a steve carlton auto for $10....absolutely ridiculous... >>



What's even more amazing is someone might actually contemplate picking up the Joba and ignoring a Hall of Fame pitcher!

smtjoy

My view, for one I think some of the vintage HOFer have been signing autos for some 50+ years so their is plenty of supply so the prices should be pretty affordable. Now I have no idea why you would pay $400+ dollars for a rookies auto, the only place it can go is down unless he has a miracle season. This is just vegas playing roulette, i'll take the black 21, plan on losing. That said I do gamble every once in a while, I purchased a Signed Goudey Sports Royalty Sidney Crosby card, I really just though it was an awesome looking card and I wanted one.

On the jersey/hat/bat cards, I dont know how other people feel but I really cant stand them. The though that they destroyed a game used item for a card just doesnt sit well with me, therefore I have no plans of buying any and I try to trade or sell any I get from packs. I also think they have been way overdone, I collect vintage Clemente cards and when I scan ebay there has to also be 100-200 of these cards for sale every day. They have even made the 1/10 worthless by making multiple similuar cards by switching out a player so its a different set of players for another 1 of 15 on an on an on. In any case, we all collect different things but these are just not for me.

Allen

Im not sure that the amount of supply of HOF autos is that big of a factor. I am guessing that Mickey Mantle signed more autos than any other player in his day and in the 80's card show boom. But there is still a big price associated with his auto. Some HOFers have only a few autos and yet they are still cheap. Like I said people want the next big thing. Steve Carlton is not on the hot list and he will not be until he dies and they will have a blurb about how his auto sales spiked for a 12 hour period. Joba is on the cover of beckett and they are already talking about the upcoming season as pitchers report next week. If you look at the new beckett hotlist, most of the guys have not played in the majors and won't this year. Its about who is now and who is next. A kid with $10 would rather have a Joba jersey than a Carlton auto because he probably doesn't know who he is unless he saw a sportcentury on him. A lot of the board members here collect "Their era" of what they collected growing up or who they used to watch. When you were a kid in the 50's you wanted a Mickey Mantle card or cards of a current player, not a Tris Speaker card. And now those are the guys saying, you could get a Duke Snider auto instead of that Mike Moustakas.

stevek

The reason is simple - I think by now most collectors out there realize that the chances of say a so-called game used piece of memorabilia from say a Ty Cobb card, actually being a REAL piece of game used memorabilia, is close to zero if not zero. It's just pure fraudulent crap in my opinion.

However, with new players, the chances of the game used memorabilia being real is probably close to 100%, if not 100%. I mean there's plenty of it out there, no reason to use fake material, and at least the product can be verified in a number of ways.

Whose going to be able to verify that Ty Cobb really wore a certain jersey in a game? How about nobody, that's who. There are exceptions such as items in the Hall of Fame...but nobody, NOBODY, is going to cut them up.


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TomGshotput

The real answer is that people who spend money on cards of older players buy old cards. Likewise people who collect contemporary cards do so because they are interested in contemporary players. Thus there is little demand for modern cards of retired players. A regular issue Hank Aaron (or even a nice Tommie Aaron for that matter) from his playing days sells for a lot more than any regular issue card today

Also true that older players have been signing their autographs to anyone for decades, while Jacoby Ellsbury signature has only had demand for a few months

BobaFett72

"I think by now most collectors out there realize that the chances of say a so-called game used piece of memorabilia from say a Ty Cobb card, actually being a REAL piece of game used memorabilia, is close to zero if not zero. It's just pure fraudulent crap in my opinion. "

i concur

The fascination with destroying real memorabilia and sticking a thousand chunks on pieces of cardboard to create artificial crap is a real detriment to the hobby.

julen23

tv killed my brain

j

TomGshotput

<< <i>The reason is simple - I think by now most collectors out there realize that the chances of say a so-called game used piece of memorabilia from say a Ty Cobb card, actually being a REAL piece of game used memorabilia, is close to zero if not zero. It's just pure fraudulent crap in my opinion. >>



Material from Ty Cobb is highly questionable, but lots of players from the 1950s played into the 70s, shouldn't be that hard for Upper Deck to find an Al Kaline bat from spring training and when cut into pieces the size of a dime make cards thousands of cards of his for years off one. Same for a Yogi Berra uniform from when he was a manager. But if someone is going to spend money on those players they will buy something from 1957 rather than 2007

Guru

Here's my next question then, how come reputable companies such as Topps and UD can cut these pieces up, put them in cards, and certify them? I don't see how they can get away with that if the stuff is false. I mean, you're talking about a multi-million dollar industry here. Would you put fake game used stuff in your cards with the chance that someone may call you on it someday? I wouldn't. If I were Topps I would make for sure the stuff was legit before certifying on the back of the card that this is the real deal.

yankeeno7

There is so much hype on the newer players. It's who fans are watching on TV and have on their fantasy teams. They develop favorite players so they search out that stuff and drive up the values.

I LOVE certified auto cards, especially HOFers. Sometimes I cant believe how cheap I can buy them for. For example, Reggie Jackson's cheapest signed item on his site is a photo for 89.95...yesterday I just won a 2000 UD Legends on card auto for 40 bucks including shipping. Im sure Reggie must charge 75-100 for in person autos.

Game used cards were cool when they first came out. But similar to what Steve said, how do we know which are real and which are not? If any info comes out that the companies placed unauthenticated jersey pieces, the whole game used card of older players will drop like there is no floor.

You have to be very careful buying game used cards. So many where the pieces have had fake patches glued in to get more money....sometimes considerably more. Unless its been opened by you or someone you know then stay away.