It's something only hoity toity upper class snobs use. Instead of their sleeves. To wipe their mouths. After eating. And to dab their clothes. After spilling food on them.
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It's something only hoity toity upper class snobs use. Instead of their sleeves. To wipe their mouths. After eating. And to dab their clothes. After spilling food on them. >>
I even dared to send it to pcgs for a new plastic tomb....they dropped it a point but blessed it as well. BTW anyone out there want to use their mad photography skills to take a pic of my baby in it's new home? I have tried but can't get it right
I even dared to send it to pcgs for a new plastic tomb....they dropped it a point but blessed it as well. BTW anyone out there want to use their mad photography skills to take a pic of my baby in it's new home? I have tried but can't get it right >>
Sooo when does a coin cross the line from AT to NT? Perhaps say an older gentleman used a Taco Bell Napkin around a morgan he had been saving for some time to keep it from getting beat up, then it toned over time. Would that be AT as well? This coin toned over a period of about 1 1/2 years.
Bruce, a coin is artificially toned when someone (who gets the coin after it leaves the mint) does something to it which alters its surfaces / appearance to make it appear like it never would have appeared since it was struck at the mint. Every definition has an exception or so, and you would have to make an exception here for album toning, as the argument can be made that the primary reason for putting it into the album was for the coin's storage / protection, versus making it tone.
BTW, if you don't know what a napkin is, it's a guardanapo.
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<< <i>Sooo when does a coin cross the line from AT to NT? Perhaps say an older gentleman used a Taco Bell Napkin around a morgan he had been saving for some time to keep it from getting beat up, then it toned over time. Would that be AT as well? This coin toned over a period of about 1 1/2 years.
Bruce, a coin is artificially toned when someone (who gets the coin after it leaves the mint) does something to it which alters its surfaces / appearance to make it appear like it never would have appeared since it was struck at the mint. Every definition has an exception or so, and you would have to make an exception here for album toning, as the argument can be made that the primary reason for putting it into the album was for the coin's storage / protection, versus making it tone.
BTW, if you don't know what a napkin is, it's a guardanapo. >>
Ok, soo say a guy 50 years ago used a Wayte Raymond album and the coins in it toned really nice. Today someone uses the same style Wayte Raymond album, with the intent of causing toning on the coins. After a few years time both coins now look the same or about that. Both are then slabbed. Now tell your buyers to pick which is which. Nearly impossible to know which is which. Intent can be a factor in determing AT vs NT, but proving intent is alot harder than one would think.
Bruce, I guarantee you that you won't get the same kind of toning in a Wayte Raymond album if you put a coin in there for two years, versus the kind of toning that the same coin would have if sat in the same kind of album for 50 years. That kind of toning is distinctive and can't be reproduced quickly. I have an 1859 O Seated $ in PC 3 that I bought because it had the classic Wayte Raymond album kind of toning.
Now if you want to store a coin in such an album for 50 years to get that kind of toning, versus storing it to protect the coin, I don't have a problem considering that natural toning. OTOH, putting a coin on a taco bell napkin for a year, letting it sit on a window sill in a hot, humid environment, that's another story.
Hope that helps.
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That is a fair Assesment, but proving which coins were toned which ways is very hard without knowing a coins province. When they are all slabbed it is hard to tell which is which. I never put any coins on a window seal. Mine leaks every once in a blue moon, so would not want to ruin any coins. What started off as an accident, I ran with it. Coin was for my own viewing pleasure and never intended to be sold. It was a problem coin when I bought it, and it is a problem coin now. Just a bit easier to look at in my eyes.
Has anyone tried napkins from other fast food places? I can't believe Taco Bell napkins are that special. Maybe they use recycled paper which might have a higher sulfur content.
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<< <i>Has anyone tried napkins from other fast food places? I can't believe Taco Bell napkins are that special. Maybe they use recycled paper which might have a higher sulfur content. >>
I know wendy's has been tried. I never got to see the results, but heard they were not bad. This was on an abused bust half.
Here's my enveloped toned proof, secret passed onto me years ago that I finally started about a year ago. This photo is 4 or 5 months old. Coin had a huge tobacco colored spot on it.
<< <i>Bruce, I guarantee you that you won't get the same kind of toning in a Wayte Raymond album if you put a coin in there for two years, versus the kind of toning that the same coin would have if sat in the same kind of album for 50 years. That kind of toning is distinctive and can't be reproduced quickly. >>
Did you ever see the results The Hepkitty got from placing some Frankies in a Wayte Raymond album for a couple years? I can't find the thread, but they were spectacular.
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I've tried the tissue paper with so so results .... same as with the Taco Bell napkins!
My best and absolute most beautifully toned coins are made from sitting in my Dansco.
Next best with very nice toning is placing coins in small Manilla - type envelopes with a heavy object - like a big, heavy book or a flat bottomed lamp sitting atop them.
Toning in both cases is excellent and quite Natural. Napkins - mixed emotions & results!
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<< <i>Bruce, I guarantee you that you won't get the same kind of toning in a Wayte Raymond album if you put a coin in there for two years, versus the kind of toning that the same coin would have if sat in the same kind of album for 50 years. That kind of toning is distinctive and can't be reproduced quickly. >>
Did you ever see the results The Hepkitty got from placing some Frankies in a Wayte Raymond album for a couple years? I can't find the thread, but they were spectacular. >>
I have some Roosies from a roll I put into some Wayte Ramond albums, its taking some serious time, 2 years now, the toning is starting but its going to be some time before they have that look.
Here's my TB napkin coin. I've had this coin for about 10 years. Before me, it was dipped who knows how many times. It was flat - no contrast - ugly boring. I've had it in a napkin on a bookshelf for over a year now - flipping the coin every month or two. The results are kind of wacky. The reverse is more evenly toned -- mostly a brown gold. The obverse is blotchy -- but has lots of color. You'd have thought I used two different methods or something.
I like the coin a lot better now. It is just about time to put it back in a 2x2. I've seen much pur-dee-er toning on other coins - but compared to the flat white no-appeal look it had before, it just feels right to have some tone back on it again.
I know many posters on these 'napkin toning' related threads have considered this artificial toning and dishonest. IMO it is not original toning -- but I wouldn't call it artificial (i.e. chemical or heat induced). In my book - dipped was more artifical than what I did here -- leaving it in a napkin for a year. In any case, it is my own coin - not intended for resale. So what does it really matter.
O.K I tryed one. I sent it in to PCGS and it came back BB Cleaned. So I put it in a TBN and forgot about it and found it a year and some mo's later and this is the befor and after but I only did the one.
Why is it that every time a person tries to toned a coin the fast way, never has the luster that a bank bad Morgan Dollar (example) has when stored in there for a long time?
I mean, if you want something nice don't wrap it in a napkin or anything like that. Originally toned coins like the Morgans preserved in a bank bag for so many years are the best. By rushing the toning process you are altering and making the coin lifeless, doll and not as attractive.
Isn't it nice to know that people are making new "toned" coins for us everyday!!! Always amazes me that collectors pay a premium for modern toned coins. Obviously, these have been encouraged to rapidly tone. Wonder if they will keep an attractive look 20 years from now???
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<< <i>What's a "nakpin?"
It's something only hoity toity upper class snobs use. Instead of their sleeves. To wipe their mouths. After eating. And to dab their clothes. After spilling food on them.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
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<< <i>What's a "nakpin?"
It's something only hoity toity upper class snobs use. Instead of their sleeves. To wipe their mouths. After eating. And to dab their clothes. After spilling food on them. >>
Napkins are for folks who don't own dogs.
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<< <i>Napkins are for folks who don't own dogs. >>
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I even dared to send it to pcgs for a new plastic tomb....they dropped it a point but blessed it as well.
BTW anyone out there want to use their mad photography skills to take a pic of my baby in it's new home? I have tried but can't get it right
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Sold it for $22 to a forum member recently. >>
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<< <i>Napkins or not I love my toner!!!
I even dared to send it to pcgs for a new plastic tomb....they dropped it a point but blessed it as well.
BTW anyone out there want to use their mad photography skills to take a pic of my baby in it's new home? I have tried but can't get it right >>
ICG PR68 = PCGS PR67? That's not bad for ICG 65+.
Nice looking coin
Bruce, a coin is artificially toned when someone (who gets the coin after it leaves the mint) does something to it which alters its surfaces / appearance to make it appear like it never would have appeared since it was struck at the mint. Every definition has an exception or so, and you would have to make an exception here for album toning, as the argument can be made that the primary reason for putting it into the album was for the coin's storage / protection, versus making it tone.
BTW, if you don't know what a napkin is, it's a guardanapo.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>Sooo when does a coin cross the line from AT to NT? Perhaps say an older gentleman used a Taco Bell Napkin around a morgan he had been saving for some time to keep it from getting beat up, then it toned over time. Would that be AT as well? This coin toned over a period of about 1 1/2 years.
Bruce, a coin is artificially toned when someone (who gets the coin after it leaves the mint) does something to it which alters its surfaces / appearance to make it appear like it never would have appeared since it was struck at the mint. Every definition has an exception or so, and you would have to make an exception here for album toning, as the argument can be made that the primary reason for putting it into the album was for the coin's storage / protection, versus making it tone.
BTW, if you don't know what a napkin is, it's a guardanapo. >>
Ok, soo say a guy 50 years ago used a Wayte Raymond album and the coins in it toned really nice. Today someone uses the same style Wayte Raymond album, with the intent of causing toning on the coins. After a few years time both coins now look the same or about that. Both are then slabbed. Now tell your buyers to pick which is which. Nearly impossible to know which is which. Intent can be a factor in determing AT vs NT, but proving intent is alot harder than one would think.
<< <i>I don't want to eat there. What do you think the employees will do if I simply walk in and abscond with some of their napkins? >>
I doubt they would care at all...
Now if you want to store a coin in such an album for 50 years to get that kind of toning, versus storing it to protect the coin, I don't have a problem considering that natural toning. OTOH, putting a coin on a taco bell napkin for a year, letting it sit on a window sill in a hot, humid environment, that's another story.
Hope that helps.
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<< <i>Has anyone tried napkins from other fast food places? I can't believe Taco Bell napkins are that special. Maybe they use recycled paper which might have a higher sulfur content. >>
I know wendy's has been tried. I never got to see the results, but heard they were not bad. This was on an abused bust half.
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<< <i>I would assume your coin would be ruined if it was in a windows with condensation. Correct? >>
It would have been it the coin got wet, but I never had this in a window seal. It was in a cabinet in the restroom.
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Nice toners coming out of those Taco Bell Napkins (TBN).
Anyone have success in getting a PCGS graded TBN toned coins?
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<< <i>Here is a 1921 Morgan that was dipped and then wrapped in Toilet paper. It took about 4 or 6 months for this to happen.
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Here is one with simmilar toning (not by me) slabbed by NGC.
Was the toilet paper, umm, new?
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<< <i>Bruce, I guarantee you that you won't get the same kind of toning in a Wayte Raymond album if you put a coin in there for two years, versus the kind of toning that the same coin would have if sat in the same kind of album for 50 years. That kind of toning is distinctive and can't be reproduced quickly. >>
Did you ever see the results The Hepkitty got from placing some Frankies in a Wayte Raymond album for a couple years? I can't find the thread, but they were spectacular.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
My best and absolute most beautifully toned coins are made from sitting in my Dansco.
Next best with very nice toning is placing coins in small Manilla - type envelopes
with a heavy object - like a big, heavy book or a flat bottomed lamp sitting atop them.
Toning in both cases is excellent and quite Natural. Napkins - mixed emotions & results!
Can't rush Beauty.
i have had some succes with junk silver just leaving it in a tarnish remover solution (like jewelery cleaner) for a few days.
tonal changes happen exponentially, though so you gotta check a few times a day after a couple of days.
have fun...
it's purdy, i like the lesser toned look the best with the halo on the obverse
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<< <i>Bruce, I guarantee you that you won't get the same kind of toning in a Wayte Raymond album if you put a coin in there for two years, versus the kind of toning that the same coin would have if sat in the same kind of album for 50 years. That kind of toning is distinctive and can't be reproduced quickly. >>
Did you ever see the results The Hepkitty got from placing some Frankies in a Wayte Raymond album for a couple years? I can't find the thread, but they were spectacular. >>
I have some Roosies from a roll I put into some Wayte Ramond albums, its taking some serious time, 2 years now, the toning is starting but its going to be some time before they have that look.
I like the coin a lot better now. It is just about time to put it back in a 2x2. I've seen much pur-dee-er toning on other coins - but compared to the flat white no-appeal look it had before, it just feels right to have some tone back on it again.
I know many posters on these 'napkin toning' related threads have considered this artificial toning and dishonest. IMO it is not original toning -- but I wouldn't call it artificial (i.e. chemical or heat induced). In my book - dipped was more artifical than what I did here -- leaving it in a napkin for a year. In any case, it is my own coin - not intended for resale. So what does it really matter.
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Why is it that every time a person tries to toned a coin the fast way,
never has the luster that a bank bad Morgan Dollar (example) has
when stored in there for a long time?
I mean, if you want something nice don't wrap it in a napkin or anything like that.
Originally toned coins like the Morgans preserved in a bank bag for so many
years are the best. By rushing the toning process you are altering and
making the coin lifeless, doll and not as attractive.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......