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"<---- Still waiting for one genius to provide a single example of an AW PO01 in PCGS plastic."
Just curious, how long did the "genius" say it would take to provide the coin?
On another note, I am curious as to what the "pocket wear" guys carry around in their pockets??? Must be some fairly abrasive pocket liners!
Actually, I do believe in collecting anything you enjoy. I wish PCGS would ceate a Registry for "Harshly Cleaned" coins. Then the argument would probably be whether the coin was "naturally" harshly cleaned, or "scrubbed" harshly cleaned by a coin doctor
Above statements are made with a humorous intent. Please don't take it seriously
Superimposing one's personal collecting likes/dislikes/tastes on others is rude and inconsiderate. Sounds like a cry for attention by someone who craves the spotlight.
<< <i>Electron mean lifetime is >4.6x10^26 years >>
Yeah, but the CU neutino injection on this server has been known to produce the occasional muon in the presence of PO-1 threads. >>
What about the meson which has the tendency to become a quantum particle if bombarded with a laser light and hence can travel backward in time? >>
A pi meson would not be party to the decay. As it has spin 0, rather than 1/2, it would represent a fundamental violation. >>
Yes, but if the laser is allowed to slow the activity of the element to that of a super cooled EB solution, the reality is that the qualities exhibited allow light to be slowed. Thus the activities of the meson would become moot. There is effectively no enegry in the system. at least that energy which can be measured in terms of heat. The difference is that the slowing light retains all of its information and after clearing the solution resumes its speed. SO, in such a system, the half life would become irrelevant, at least for the time that the sytem is super cooled.
A precept to a quantum machine which would be very very cool (no pun intended).
Absolute zero might be the one year type coin that can be identified by a minimal amount of information, no date or mint mark necessarily visible. As much wear as possible but still identifiable. So PO1 would be greater than that.
By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. You can certainly find coins in 69 slabs that are nicer than coins in 70 slabs, and you can enjoy the history of a AG coin just as much as a PO-1 coin. Again, just my opinion, but I'm guessing that pretty much everyone would agree with this. Not that there is anything wrong with trying for Registry points, I admit to buying some Proof 70 Kennedy's, just for the Registry points! I'm as guilty as anyone, so I'm certainly not questioning anyone's choice in what to collect, just my opinion on why the PO-1 and the 70 slabs are popular. And, before anyone has to remind me, I admit to being just as much a "collecting idiot" as anyone else
Nothing to feel guilty over. The original poster should remember this is a hobby for most of us. Something done in leasure time for pleasure. If having the most worn coin, or an extra low ball registry point is what someone enjoys, why knock it?
As for the business side, I have submitted once going for low ball grades. Most graded, perhaps one BB. Those that graded made it financially worth while, even though they were not all PO01s.
I bet you have some interestingly well-placed holes in your collection too. The obvious one through the eye or the buffalo's butthole I would think but perhaps some creative ones that don't immediately come to mind. Any that you just had to laugh when you saw them and then just had to buy?
<< <i>By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. >>
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
<< <i>By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. >>
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards. >>
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would.
While I agree some of the PO1 coins out there might have been aritficially worn, there are some pretty nice original worn ones out there also. Personally I like nice original looking PO1 Morgans. I have a couple that I think would go the grade but havent submitted any.
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<< <i><< By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would. >> >>
This is a useless point. You don't get it. The crack-out game is the game of idiocy, and ONLY played if you collect OTHER than P-01s and 70s.
<< <i><< By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would. >> >>
This is a useless point. You don't get it. The crack-out game is the game of idiocy, and ONLY played if you collect OTHER than P-01s and 70s. >>
Who mentioned the crackout game? That game involves resubmissions to try to get higher grades and I do get it though I don't play it. (I collect coins. Only sent in one for regrade ever and it wasn't cracked out.) 70 collectors might claim they collect coins, and they do to variable extents, with the balance being they collect slabs and tags. A 70 collector who says he is absolutely certain of the grade of his PCGS 70 is at best deceiving himself and would not dream of freeing the coin for a while because it might not make the 70 grade again. This also goes for OGHs, DMPLs and others as a current market reality. 01 and 70 are not insulated from the TPG issues of variable standards. Also, unlike 70, 01 is not strictly a registry grade. There are collectors of PO1 coins who don't bother with slabbing and even some find a bent or cleaned example acceptable. For some it is about challenges.
Also, the crackout game is played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. Don't like your 69 or 02 grade? Crack and resubmit. Don't think that ever happens? Probably happens with a whole lot less hesitation that in the 63-65 grades. What's the risk of busting out a 69? The thing is practically unmarketable and worth a miniscule fraction over melt (if bullion) anyway.
<< <i>The crackout games is not played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. If you don't like your 69 or 02, then you collected a 69 or 02, not an 01 or a 70. >>
Probably not by the 70 guys. But I could easily see someone buying a slabbed FR-02, cracking it out, wearing it down a little more and trying to triple its value by scoring a *lower* grade.
The nice thing about numismatics is that there are no wrong collections.
Whatever the owner defines as his collection is just that. If he wants the lowest graded and identifiable collection, then so be it.
I believe that "idiots" is not a proper term for a collector!
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<< <i>Also, the crackout game is played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. Don't like your 69 or 02 grade? Crack and resubmit. >>
The crackout games is not played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. If you don't like your 69 or 02, then you collected a 69 or 02, not an 01 or a 70. >>
Then you are either loading up on a hoard from the Mint and submitting them to grab the elusive cherry that comes tagged right or throwing a lot of $$$ at someone else who does that. No less of a game.
<< <i>The OP should change "Idiots" to "MAJOR COIN GEEKS" >>
Or "slab geeks," since it's really the PO-1 designation in the plastic that they want. >>
If those are the ones being addressed. I bet the vast majority of lowball collectors are not obsessed with getting their booty into plastic and actually see that as a ridiculous expense. It's about the challenge to even identify a coin properly at that level. But yes, there are registry and plastic obsessed guys among them.
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Just curious, how long did the "genius" say it would take to provide the coin?
On another note, I am curious as to what the "pocket wear" guys carry around in their pockets??? Must be some fairly abrasive pocket liners!
Actually, I do believe in collecting anything you enjoy. I wish PCGS would ceate a Registry for "Harshly Cleaned" coins. Then the argument would probably be whether the coin was "naturally" harshly cleaned, or "scrubbed" harshly cleaned by a coin doctor
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<< <i>Electron mean lifetime is >4.6x10^26 years >>
Yeah, but the CU neutino injection on this server has been known to produce the occasional muon in the presence of PO-1 threads.
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<< <i>Electron mean lifetime is >4.6x10^26 years >>
Yeah, but the CU neutino injection on this server has been known to produce the occasional muon in the presence of PO-1 threads. >>
What about the meson which has the tendency to become a quantum particle if bombarded with a laser light and hence can travel backward in time?
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<< <i>Electron mean lifetime is >4.6x10^26 years >>
Yeah, but the CU neutino injection on this server has been known to produce the occasional muon in the presence of PO-1 threads. >>
What about the meson which has the tendency to become a quantum particle if bombarded with a laser light and hence can travel backward in time? >>
A pi meson would not be party to the decay. As it has spin 0, rather than 1/2, it would represent a fundamental violation.
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<< <i>Electron mean lifetime is >4.6x10^26 years >>
Yeah, but the CU neutino injection on this server has been known to produce the occasional muon in the presence of PO-1 threads. >>
What about the meson which has the tendency to become a quantum particle if bombarded with a laser light and hence can travel backward in time? >>
A pi meson would not be party to the decay. As it has spin 0, rather than 1/2, it would represent a fundamental violation. >>
Yes, but if the laser is allowed to slow the activity of the element to that of a super cooled EB solution, the reality is that the qualities exhibited allow light to be slowed. Thus the activities of the meson would become moot. There is effectively no enegry in the system. at least that energy which can be measured in terms of heat. The difference is that the slowing light retains all of its information and after clearing the solution resumes its speed. SO, in such a system, the half life would become irrelevant, at least for the time that the sytem is super cooled.
A precept to a quantum machine which would be very very cool (no pun intended).
<< <i>PO1>Absolute Zero?
In a strange existential manner, yes......
<< <i>PO1>Absolute Zero?
Absolute zero might be the one year type coin that can be identified by a minimal amount of information, no date or mint mark necessarily visible. As much wear as possible but still identifiable. So PO1 would be greater than that.
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<< <i>I'm as guilty as anyone >>
Nothing to feel guilty over. The original poster should remember this is a hobby for most of us. Something done in leasure time for pleasure. If having the most worn coin, or an extra low ball registry point is what someone enjoys, why knock it?
As for the business side, I have submitted once going for low ball grades. Most graded, perhaps one BB. Those that graded made it financially worth while, even though they were not all PO01s.
<< <i>PO-1 fans are idiots............. >>
So are those crazies who collect holey coins.
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<< <i>PO-1 fans are idiots............. >>
So are those crazies who collect holey coins.
I bet you have some interestingly well-placed holes in your collection too. The obvious one through the eye or the buffalo's butthole I would think but perhaps some creative ones that don't immediately come to mind. Any that you just had to laugh when you saw them and then just had to buy?
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<< <i>By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. >>
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
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<< <i>By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points. >>
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would.
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<< <i>nevermind. >>
I resent this statement. I've had threads nuked for less
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<< <i><< By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points.
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would. >> >>
This is a useless point. You don't get it. The crack-out game is the game of idiocy, and ONLY played if you collect OTHER than P-01s and 70s.
<< <i>This is a useless point. You don't get it. The crack-out game is the game of idiocy, and ONLY played if you collect OTHER than P-01s and 70s.
Not necessarily. Someone may decide to play the crackout game on an overgraded FR-2.
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<< <i>PO-1 fans are idiots............. >>
So are those crazies who collect holey coins.
you certainly can't sneak up on someone with all that jingle-jangle, thats for sure!
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<< <i><< By the way... calling the PO-1 collectors "idiots" is no different than calling the PF/MS 70 collectors "idiots"! Both grades, and I mean no offense, are "Registry" grades, basically collected for registry points.
P-01s and 70s are not affected by grade-flation like all other grades, and it could be said that those who choose to collect anything but P-01s and 70s are the idiots, subjects to the ever-changing grading standards.
If that is the case, how many grade 70 collectors would feel comfortable cracking their "70" coins for albums, since grading standards for them won't change? I sure bet a lot fewer than the PO1 crowd would. >> >>
This is a useless point. You don't get it. The crack-out game is the game of idiocy, and ONLY played if you collect OTHER than P-01s and 70s.
Who mentioned the crackout game? That game involves resubmissions to try to get higher grades and I do get it though I don't play it. (I collect coins. Only sent in one for regrade ever and it wasn't cracked out.) 70 collectors might claim they collect coins, and they do to variable extents, with the balance being they collect slabs and tags. A 70 collector who says he is absolutely certain of the grade of his PCGS 70 is at best deceiving himself and would not dream of freeing the coin for a while because it might not make the 70 grade again. This also goes for OGHs, DMPLs and others as a current market reality. 01 and 70 are not insulated from the TPG issues of variable standards. Also, unlike 70, 01 is not strictly a registry grade. There are collectors of PO1 coins who don't bother with slabbing and even some find a bent or cleaned example acceptable. For some it is about challenges.
Also, the crackout game is played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. Don't like your 69 or 02 grade? Crack and resubmit. Don't think that ever happens? Probably happens with a whole lot less hesitation that in the 63-65 grades. What's the risk of busting out a 69? The thing is practically unmarketable and worth a miniscule fraction over melt (if bullion) anyway.
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<< <i>Also, the crackout game is played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. Don't like your 69 or 02 grade? Crack and resubmit. >>
The crackout games is not played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. If you don't like your 69 or 02, then you collected a 69 or 02, not an 01 or a 70.
<< <i>The crackout games is not played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. If you don't like your 69 or 02, then you collected a 69 or 02, not an 01 or a 70. >>
Probably not by the 70 guys. But I could easily see someone buying a slabbed FR-02, cracking it out, wearing it down a little more and trying to triple its value by scoring a *lower* grade.
Whatever the owner defines as his collection is just that. If he wants the lowest graded and identifiable collection, then so be it.
I believe that "idiots" is not a proper term for a collector!
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<< <i>Also, the crackout game is played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. Don't like your 69 or 02 grade? Crack and resubmit. >>
The crackout games is not played by 70 and 01 registry collectors. If you don't like your 69 or 02, then you collected a 69 or 02, not an 01 or a 70. >>
Then you are either loading up on a hoard from the Mint and submitting them to grab the elusive cherry that comes tagged right or throwing a lot of $$$ at someone else who does that. No less of a game.
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I agree with him.
The OP should change "Idiots" to "MAJOR COIN GEEKS"
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<< <i>The OP should change "Idiots" to "MAJOR COIN GEEKS"
Or "slab geeks," since it's really the PO-1 designation in the plastic that they want.
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<< <i>The OP should change "Idiots" to "MAJOR COIN GEEKS"
Or "slab geeks," since it's really the PO-1 designation in the plastic that they want.
If those are the ones being addressed. I bet the vast majority of lowball collectors are not obsessed with getting their booty into plastic and actually see that as a ridiculous expense. It's about the challenge to even identify a coin properly at that level. But yes, there are registry and plastic obsessed guys among them.
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