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TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This is quite possibly the worst grading i've ever seen,even by this self slabber(WCG)He/she is undoubtably getting rich by preying on the ignorant.MS-66PL???????

this is a costly experience for someone
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
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  • MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942 ✭
    P I T I F U L.
  • oxy8890oxy8890 Posts: 1,416 ✭
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127
    The coin looks cleaned. Isn't France & Tiffany suing eBay for not doing enough to prevent counterfeit goods from being listed there? Maybe newbie coin collectors can sue eBay for not doing enough to prevent bottom feeders from preying on peoples inexperience.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like g***o and a***m are having a battle.
    I hope one of them isn't a close friend of the sellerimage

    edited to add---looking at the 39 half
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    Its a PowerSeller. Its all good.image
  • vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This is quite possibly the worst grading i've ever seen,even by this self slabber(WCG)He/she is undoubtably getting rich by preying on the ignorant.MS-66PL???????

    this is a costly experience for someone >>



    I don't get it. The $32,000 gold goes next!
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  • seatedcoinsseatedcoins Posts: 1,096 ✭
    Pretty funny stuff, take a look at the bidding history. I'm sure neither of the two bidders are shills
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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    That morgan is ugly enough to make me wanna image
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those coins look like they went through the car wash... I feel bad for that winning bidder on the 39 CBH.
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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw that Ravasexy coin earlier and laughed my ass off!!!!!
  • vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭


    << <i>grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >>



    Don't you mean Wizzzzzzzzzzz?
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  • greymarsgreymars Posts: 405 ✭
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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    No, this is wzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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  • vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This is quite possibly the worst grading i've ever seen,even by this self slabber(WCG)He/she is undoubtably getting rich by preying on the ignorant.MS-66PL???????

    this is a costly experience for someone >>



    Yes, it's called Interstate Fraud.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭
    Hmmm
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup. P.T. Barnum had it right.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Such a shame... and then you can NEVER make them (the buyers) understand they were taken. The same from the TV shows.... myself and another buddy tried to stop this one fellow.... he bought and bought.. would not listen.... actually got angry and refused to talk to us - and we were most diplomatic in our efforts. He was taken for a bundle. Sad, very sad. Cheers, RickO
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a few years, he will try to sell it to a coin dealer and then the fun will begin.image

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm really kind of tired of this whole scenario. The coin speaks for itself. It isn't a 65PQ that's open to debate. It's not a 65, a 64, a 63, a 62, a 61. I'm not even sure I would grade it AU prior to the dremeling that it received.

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    The coin isn't listed in the wrong category. It's not like the buyer happened upon a mis-labeled auction and could potentially get a steal.

    Listed in category: Coins & Paper Money > Coins: US > Dollars > Morgan (1878-1921) > 1878-84

    Nobody's ever heard of "WCG" grading company before. EBay even has brief one-page, easy-to-understand, easy-to-find, and free guides to buying Morgan dollars--not tucked away somewhere but right on the category listing for Morgan dollars--that say things like:

    "Be careful of all "Slabbed" graded coins which are not PGCS, NGC or ANACS . If you see a coin graded by a service you don't know about, make sure the dealer offers money back! If it seems too good to be true, it usually is."

    and

    "All other services are ridiculously overgraded, or just totally unreliable for purchase".


    This coin does not have an accidental BIN low price. The auction's not closing at 4:00 am on a Sunday.

    The seller's feedback is obviously shilled up, and even so there are negatives accusing the seller of having overgraded coins.

    So with all of these red flags, a picture that clearly shows the coin is a PoS, why is everyone getting all worked up? This buyer hasn't been deceived. They aren't buying a fake coin from a stolen picture. Their problem is that they aren't even bothering to acquaint themselves with the the most rudimentary fundamentals of coin buying. One thing they apparently understand, though, is greed. Boy oh boy, they're going to get a deal of a lifetime. A $100,000 coin for a few hundred bucks.

    Screw them. The world needs ditch diggers.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nobody's ever heard of "WCG" grading company before. >>

    WCG was pretty prolific and a lot of people on eBay and some message boards have heard of them but it seems no one knows the owners, graders, etc.

    At least eBay has taken a stand in the listings area.
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  • jimmymacjimmymac Posts: 505 ✭
    before I came more informed, I won an auction on ebay with a WCG slab (1883CC Morgan) - must say that there grading is very liberal and I would NOT even go there now, although the coin I won I sent in to PCGS and it came back MS64 - they had it in a MS 67 DMPL slab - not even close - lesson learned!! buyer beware!!
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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭


    << <i>before I came more informed, I won an auction on ebay with a WCG slab (1883CC Morgan) - must say that there grading is very liberal and I would NOT even go there now, although the coin I won I sent in to PCGS and it came back MS64 - they had it in a MS 67 DMPL slab - not even close - lesson learned!! buyer beware!! >>



    Actually, you can consider yourself damned lucky it ended up in a PCGS 64 slab.... most WCG coins would bodybag.
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  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭


    << <i>before I came more informed, I won an auction on ebay with a WCG slab (1883CC Morgan) - must say that there grading is very liberal and I would NOT even go there now, although the coin I won I sent in to PCGS and it came back MS64 - they had it in a MS 67 DMPL slab - not even close - lesson learned!! buyer beware!! >>



    Do you have a before (WCG) and after (PCGS) pics of the coin- it would definitely have some merit to your statement.

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ratings mutually withdrawn: 45 >>



    Another slimeball who uses retaliation to phoney up his feedback percentage.

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  • jimmymacjimmymac Posts: 505 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>before I came more informed, I won an auction on ebay with a WCG slab (1883CC Morgan) - must say that there grading is very liberal and I would NOT even go there now, although the coin I won I sent in to PCGS and it came back MS64 - they had it in a MS 67 DMPL slab - not even close - lesson learned!! buyer beware!! >>



    Do you have a before (WCG) and after (PCGS) pics of the coin- it would definitely have some merit to your statement. >>



    sorry I dont - I broke out the coin in the WCG slab and sent it raw to PCGS - wanted to see just how it would grade - knew it wasnt a 67 DMPL - but thought it had a good possibility of grading MS64/65.
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  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    Ludicrous, pitiful, sad
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    Hey, thats worse than SGS, at least they use pretty gold foil and give a certificate of something or other

    Did anybody scan the barcode and check the pops on this coin? Might be rarer than you think !!! :-)
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  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    Yes, but only WCG has slabbed the elusive 1898 Bust Half...

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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    He's only off about $70,000 in market value. The coin is worth maybe about a hundred bucks on its best day, vs. over 70K for a true MS66PL

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What kind of laws? Nothing illegal about the auction.

    If you are dumb enough to bid I have no pity for ya.

    There is plenty of info out there via the web, and plenty of books on the Morgan series.

    I agree the seller is slime as Russ pointed out, and knows damn well it's a whizzed/buffed POS.

    Just noticed the Power Seller status, exempt from ethical selling.

    Nothing more than a $12 cull.
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