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ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
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John E Paaul (51) of Wisconsin was sentenced to 46 months in prison for not sending coins to winning bidders from ebay. its in cw jan. 7th issue. page 10. $ 171000 worth of winning bids. no coins. what are some thoughts on this?

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, his annual salary for the crime is equivalent to over forty grand per year TAKE HOME pay, 3 hots and a cot all courtesy of taxpayers. Who said crime doesn't pay ? Not only that, he gets anonymity. No junk mail, no messy tax forms, and cable television. America is such a great country. I hope he practices abstinence. image
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    That's strange. The poor fellow was only trying

    to lower his cost of operations.image
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  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Probably an accurate sentence for a first time offender. The next time, he will be there for much longer.

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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So, his annual salary for the crime is equivalent to over forty grand per year TAKE HOME pay, 3 hots and a cot all courtesy of taxpayers. Who said crime doesn't pay ? Not only that, he gets anonymity. No junk mail, no messy tax forms, and cable television. America is such a great country. I hope he practices abstinence. image >>




    Maybe he'll also get a lonely roommate in prison.image
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there restitution as part of the sentence?

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  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    i seem to recall that someone told me (corr. officer) they get cable tv. I think its a fair sentence. somewhat. he should have lost a hand.
  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    yes $160000+ to be paid in restitution
  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>Is there restitution as part of the sentence? >>



    That was my first thought, along with the idea of which sort of prison is it?

    For all we know, he may be out in 18 months.

    New eBay ID, become a scammer as opposed to a rip off artist and he could do quite well ala the infamously wealthy "Savanna Scammer", AKA Pamela Donelly.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Ohhh, 46 bottles of beer on the wall

    46 bottles of beer

    If a bottle of beer should fall from the wall

    45 bottles of beer on the wall.
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    Camelotimage
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>John E Paaul (51) of Wisconsin was sentenced to 46 months in prison for not sending coins to winning bidders from ebay. its in cw jan. 7th issue. page 10. $ 171000 worth of winning bids. no coins. what are some thoughts on this? >>



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  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    thank you goldbully.
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another guy here locally just got a ton of probation and restitution judgement for doing the same thing with laptops. I think it was about $20k total. Making restitution payments is part of the probation conditions.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,126 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb sentenced Paul to 46 months in prison and ordered him to pay back the $165,000 >>



    Yeah...just don't hold your breath waiting for restitution...image
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    <<John E Paaul (51) of Wisconsin was sentenced to 46 months in prison for not sending coins to winning bidders from ebay. its in cw jan. 7th issue. page 10. $ 171000 worth of winning bids. no coins. what are some thoughts on this?>>

    And he is probably still an eBay power seller image
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Another guy here locally just got a ton of probation and restitution judgement for doing the same thing with laptops. I think it was about $20k total. Making restitution payments is part of the probation conditions. >>

    As well as part of the terms for an otherwise lighter sentence.

    I know someone who was widowed, and he took up with a woman who was a con artist. She married him and proceeded to get him unwittingly involved in some embezzlement of an account she had power of attorney for. She wound up with a lot of jail time but he got a couple months' house arrest followed by probation and restitution, because it was obvious to the prosecution that she was the driving force behind it all and he was a dupe. She had some priors and some aliases that he didn't know about and got snagged into her web, whereas he spent many years as the treasurer of his union before he retired and there was never a question about where one dollar went while he wrote the checks.

  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ohhh, 46 bottles of beer on the wall

    46 bottles of beer

    If a bottle of beer should fall from the wall

    45 bottles of beer on the wall. >>




    45 bottles of beer on the wall

    45 bottles of beer

    If a bottle of beer should fall from the wall

    44 bottles of beer on the wall.

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  • boyhowdyboyhowdy Posts: 657 ✭
    What was his eBay ID?

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  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    dont know. would like to see his feedback though thats for sure.
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do they have internet access in the slammer? Perhaps he will continue to sell non-existent coins from his cell....
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Is this the guy trying to run for president?
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do they have internet access in the slammer? Perhaps he will continue to sell non-existent coins from his cell.... >>




    Of course they do... How else is he going to generate funds for resititution?image
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It will be interesting to see if he can come up with the $165k in restitution.

    Seems like a fair sentence if he can make his victims whole - almost 4 yrs in the clink. As I recall, the federal sentences tend to be served in full - no 'early outs'. I am sure others have a better perspective on this - I don't know any criminals.

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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ohhh, 46 bottles of beer on the wall

    46 bottles of beer

    If a bottle of beer should fall from the wall

    45 bottles of beer on the wall. >>




    45 bottles of beer on the wall

    45 bottles of beer

    If a bottle of beer should fall from the wall

    44 bottles of beer on the wall. >>




    44 bottles of beer on the wall

    44 bottles of beer

    If an earthquake should cause the whole wall to fall

    Then no more bottles of beer or a wall.
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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't know any criminals. >>



    Sure you do -- you just don't know what crimes they've comitted.
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  • alfalfaalfalfa Posts: 275 ✭✭
    Way to go Wisconsin! That's more time than is given out for much more serious crimes here in California.

    RJ
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    When he gets out, Meg Whitman will take him out to lunch and teach him how not to get caught next time
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