The Most SPECTACULAR Brown Lincoln Cent...EVER
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Heritage Fun Auction...Get your checkbooks out for this one ladies and gentlemen:
This coin should be a 67BN in my opinion (or at least a star
or something)! What a date:
PCGS 66BN
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This coin should be a 67BN in my opinion (or at least a star
or something)! What a date:PCGS 66BN
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Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
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<< <i>Is the coin itself bluish or is it just the lighting? >>
Brown luster my friend, Texas Tea!!!
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
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- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
Dale:
Please have your half dollars photographed by Phil so we can all enjoy them. That 1823 in 66 is amazing and looks great on the PCGS 2008 calendar I received in the mail.
Thank you all for the nice words.
David
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
1917-D = 04517702
1916-D = 21675451
1914-D = 22119041
David
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Well, just Love coins, period.
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<< <i>Are you saying you think that Eliasberg used MS70 on that 17-D or are you just referring to the other coins? A lot of early Lincolns in Eliasberg's cabinet looked very, very nice and were never played with, of course. Also, I personally do not think the 16-D was ever touched up. >>
I would agree that NONE of those coins were ever messed with. They are beautiful to behold.
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<< <i>I would agree that NONE of those coins were ever messed with. They are beautiful to behold.
Sorry I'm a little late to this thread, but I will strongly disagree with you on this one.
That 16-D obviously started out life in 1916 as a full blazing red, and has toned from full blazing red to blazing blue, but the luster has not been subdued at all? The 16-D and the 14-D have the look that we should all be familiar with by now, the look that it has been treated with MS-70.
Now, there are two camps with respect to the use of MS-70 on copper coins. Some say it is okay as it has been blessed by a major TPG and oooh look how pretty it is. Others won't go near them as what has been pounded into their heads from the first day they started collecting......buy original uncleaned coins, buy original uncleaned coins, buy original uncleaned coins.
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Another interesting thread
An excellent post by TomB
Detective Cohodk here
Plenty of reading there to draw your own conclusions
edit..How could I forget, we're all IDIOTS
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lets see if cac stickers some of these in the future ;o)
Well, just Love coins, period.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>amazing what a little ms70 does for copper >>
I must admit, that was the first thing that came to my mind as well. I'd like to see this coin in person.
<< <i>Some interesting reading on MS-70 ]here
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Another interesting thread
An excellent post by TomB
Detective Cohodk here
Plenty of reading there to draw your own conclusions
edit..How could I forget, we're all IDIOTS >>
What conclusion would you draw by viewing these two blue or bluish Lincolns, MS70? These were acquired from your Detective.
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<< <i>What conclusion would you draw by viewing these two blue or bluish Lincolns, MS70? These were acquired from your Detective.
Well, he's not 'my' detective, but I will say that these two coins appear very similar to all of the ones we discussed last year, no? I think that if you read through the threads I linked in my above post, you may be able to
<< <i>draw your own conclusions >>
I've been saying it for a while, it wasn't just proof Indians
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<< <i>There are a huge number of bluish early Lincoln wheats designated brown by NGC and PCGS. Are you saying that this has occurred to all of them? >>
What say you?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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<< <i>What conclusion would you draw by viewing these two blue or bluish Lincolns, MS70? These were acquired from your Detective.
Well, he's not 'my' detective, but I will say that these two coins appear very similar to all of the ones we discussed last year, no? I think that if you read through the threads I linked in my above post, you may be able to
<< <i>draw your own conclusions >>
I've been saying it for a while, it wasn't just proof Indians >>
I am not much of a detective but here is the 1916 before it was crossed to PCGS. I bought it already in the PCGS holder. I have no idea where the 1913 came from, believe me I looked high and low to match it but could not.
1916
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<< <i>There are a huge number of bluish early Lincoln wheats designated brown by NGC and PCGS. Are you saying that this has occurred to all of them? >>
What say you? >>
Pharmer, I'd say you are perfectly capable of drawing your own conclusions
<< <i> Tuesday December 18, 2007 10:28 PM (NEW!)
And the color looks fine, like the "browns" you have in your sig line. >>
Something seems implied there, just haven't put my finger on it
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<< <i>There are a huge number of bluish early Lincoln wheats designated brown by NGC and PCGS. Are you saying that this has occurred to all of them? >>
Answer the question, 66rb, you're the one making all the accusations. Don't have the guts to back them up now. Answer...that...question. Or everyone will know your full of it, or lying.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
However, I disagree with your assessment regarding this particular '16-D cent. The coin clearly has orignal skin, superbly detailed stike and the color does not appear to be artificial to me. Why should the luster be impaired just because the cent is Brown? Perhaps it sat untouched for 80 or so years, mellowed to brown ever so slowly over time while maintaining its' original mint bloom. I don't think that the metallurgy of copper would prevent this from happening although I'm no metallurgist(
So, in conclusion I would make the arguement that a bluish hue does not necessarily represent treatment with MS70. Specifically with respect to this coin.
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
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I think that if you read through the threads I linked in my above post, you may be able to
<< <i>draw your own conclusions >>
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This is a quote from one of the threads linked.
<< <i>The MS70 coins appear to have powdery or dusty surfaces. They can be quite readily identified with a bit of experience. >>
Neither the 1916 or 1913 exhibit this characteristic. I am not saying they were or weren't doctored. I don't know the history of either, with the exception of what Dave stated. I trust and respect Dave as much as anyone in the business. To me, he is a true MPL expert and would not hesitate to buy from him at any time.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
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<< <i>There are a huge number of bluish early Lincoln wheats designated brown by NGC and PCGS. Are you saying that this has occurred to all of them? >>
Answer the question, 66rb, you're the one making all the accusations. Don't have the guts to back them up now. Answer...that...question. Or everyone will know your full of it, or lying. >>
Pharmer, are you trying to bait me? LOL
At any rate, what I was disagreeing with was that NONE of these coins were ever messed with.
Did I ever say that every single blue Lincoln certified by PCGS or NGC has been treated with MS-70?
Was PCGS made aware of the effects of MS-70 being used on copper coins?
Did they say that they would continue to slab these coins, even after being made aware??
How would I be full of it?? Why would I be lying??? I mean, it's not like I have an NGC 66BN 1909-S Lincoln in bright blue and pink on eBay for $5 grand, nor do I have a bright baby blue PCGS 66BN 09 VDB for $2500.
No sweat off my back , nor yours, as you're just 'showing them off', right?
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ROTFLMAO.
No, you just insinuate it. Of course, if the owners of the coins in this thread have no objection to you saying their coins are treated by ms70, why should I care?
Now, have the guts to answer the question. Are you saying that the huge number of bluish Lincoln early wheats designated as brown by NGC and PCGS are all treated with ms70?
And no more answering questions with questions. Everyone's wondering why you are avoiding the question.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Also, what do you say about the blue coins in cohodk's sig line?
There are a lot of blue Lincolns in this thread, and you have said they are treated with ms70. Why do you say that? Or are you back-tracking now that you've painted yourself into a corner?
I think you should get some paint on your face trying to get yourself out of this.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>"Did I ever say that every single blue Lincoln certified by PCGS or NGC has been treated with MS-70?"
No, you just insinuate it. Of course, if the owners of the coins in this thread have no objection to you saying their coins are treated by ms70, why should I care?
Now, have the guts to answer the question. Are you saying that the huge number of bluish Lincoln early wheats designated as brown by NGC and PCGS are all treated with ms70?
And no more answering questions with questions. Everyone's wondering why you are avoiding the question. >>
Pharmer, I feel that a good number of, not all, of the early Lincolns that are solid blue have been treated. Are you happy I answered your question? Why does my opinion all of a sudden matter so much to you?
Now, I asked you a question, need I ask it again? OK!
What EXACTLY did you mean by saying this right after robec's post on pg. 1???????
<< <i>And the color looks fine, like the "browns" you have in your sig line. >>
Cause I gotta tell you, it certainly sounds like you were 'insinuating' something there, and I think I know exactly what it is you were insinuating. It appears you are trying to throw me under the bus while you were getting out of the way.
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<< <i>"Did I ever say that every single blue Lincoln certified by PCGS or NGC has been treated with MS-70?"
No, you just insinuate it. Of course, if the owners of the coins in this thread have no objection to you saying their coins are treated by ms70, why should I care?
Now, have the guts to answer the question. Are you saying that the huge number of bluish Lincoln early wheats designated as brown by NGC and PCGS are all treated with ms70?
And no more answering questions with questions. Everyone's wondering why you are avoiding the question. >>
Pharmer, I feel that a good number of, not all, of the early Lincolns that are solid blue have been treated. Are you happy I answered your question? Why does my opinion all of a sudden matter so much to you?
Now, I asked you a question, need I ask it again? OK!
What EXACTLY did you mean by saying this right after robec's post on pg. 1???????
<< <i>And the color looks fine, like the "browns" you have in your sig line. >>
Cause I gotta tell you, it certainly sounds like you were 'insinuating' something there, and I think I know exactly what it is you were insinuating. It appears you are trying to throw me under the bus while you were getting out of the way. >>
Finally. Thanks for answering. Now we can discuss.
What do you mean, not all? They all look similar. Answer that.
On the last, WTF are you talking about? THAT's what got you riled? Look at the coins I mentioned. Use your eyes.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Not with other questions, EVERYBODY'S wondering why you aren't answering my simple question about what EXACTLY you meant, MR. Holier than Thou.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."