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1875-CC Trade Dollar,Is it Real???

BIGJAYVEEBIGJAYVEE Posts: 647 ✭
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Just purchased a small collection and in it was this 1875-CC Trade Dollar.Not my fortay,so I need a little help.I know it's tough to tell from pics,especially mine,but is it real and if so,what grade do you think it is?

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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Weigh it. It should weigh about 27.2 grams.
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  • ArizonadesertratArizonadesertrat Posts: 566 ✭
    This is a counterfeit. Her left breast is positioned too close to her left arm, and there are numerous other subtle mistakes. Go to Tradedollarnut's website and check out his beautiful image of his 1875-CC coin.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to see head on pics, not at an angle. From what I see it's the real deal. Metal movement on her
    chest could just be a strong hit early on and then wear. It seems just fine to me.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Her left breast is positioned too close to her left arm, and there are numerous other subtle mistakes

    I believe this fact is wear related. My first impression is that it's a fake, but that has more to do with the overall surface texture of the coin, not with any design errors. The wear appears to be manufactured to my eyes - a genuine coin would wear differently.

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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    nothing like tru-vue...wow real-real purdy
  • BIGJAYVEEBIGJAYVEE Posts: 647 ✭
    Wow!!! Now that's a Trade Dollar.Thanks for sharing it with us Tradedollarnut.After seeing that one,my specimen looks kind of ragged,real or fake.image
  • CarsonCityGoldCarsonCityGold Posts: 1,856 ✭
    The "D" in Dollar sure looks strange.
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  • ArizonadesertratArizonadesertrat Posts: 566 ✭
    Are the relative sizes of her hands OK? What's left of her left one looks larger than than her right hand, or is this just a tilt artifact (or do I need new glasses)?
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow!!! Now that's a Trade Dollar.Thanks for sharing it with us Tradedollarnut.After seeing that one,my specimen looks kind of ragged,real or fake.image >>



    After seeing TDN's Trade Dollar, ANYONE ELSE's specimens look kind of ragged, real or fake. image

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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461 ✭
    Edge of right wing shows heavy tool marks which is usually
    an attempt to re-work a rough casting. Obverse field has lumps
    and lines indicating a rough casting and re-work. The bottom
    arrow head is corrupted and only two shanks appear under right tallon.
    I pass on this and why not. About 36 million US Trade Dollars were
    minted for trade in the Orient. Over 200 million more were counterfeited.
    Most seen on eBay are fake and most type set collectors own fakes.
    This is the most defiled series of coins known.
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    interesting,...something looks odd about it tho........
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  • seatedcoinsseatedcoins Posts: 1,096 ✭


    << <i>Wow!!! After seeing that one,my specimen looks kind of ragged,real or fake.image >>



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  • BIGJAYVEEBIGJAYVEE Posts: 647 ✭
    Thanks for all the comments.There is one way to find out,send it in to Anacs for authentication,but i'm not sure it's worth it because of grade.
  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Send it for authentification.

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    (oh yeah, if you do, let us know how you made out)

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  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    Check the obverse : Reverse orientation - on a genuine U.S. coin they are 180 degrees apart. Most counterfeit trade dollars I looked at have this at about 0 - 5 degrees. It you have access to a scale weigh the coin it should be close to 27.2 grams.

    One thing that makes me think it might be genuine is the amount of detail in the wheat stalks behind liberty. This is a protected area of the design and one on the last places to show wear. However, the counterfeiters seems to have a problem getting this area to strike up and most of the fakes out there do not show much detail.

    If the weight and orientation are correct I think it would be worth the expense to send to ANACS.
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    very deceptive fake if it is.
    otherwise, i`d say its authentic
  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    a friend recently showed me a 1875 s trade. the stars were not spaced the right way and the head looked like it came from another coin entirely. he got it for $75 and it woulda graded vf-ef if it were real. im not sure of this one though. the d in dollar looks suspect but i am not a trade $ guy, yet. if its real , yes it may not be as nice as some but its still real. if its afke, use it as a referance tool. good luck
  • CgbCgb Posts: 710 ✭
    I am not sure if it is genuine or not.

    If it is indeed fake, it is one of the nicest fakes I have seen.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got a very well done fake when in Vietnam, brought it back to the States and it fooled most dealers. I wouldn't even look at a Trade $ unless it was at a minimum slabbed for authenticity beforehand.

    Another diagnositic to test for in addition to weight is metal content. All fakes are 'circulated.' Take it out of its 2 by 2 and let it drop to the floor. Pay attention to its ping when it hits the ground. Then do the same thing with a generic circulated Morgan or Peace $. See if the ping sounds the same. If it does, you have the geniune article. If not, the metal composition of the Trade $ is different than the Silver $ and the former is probably a forgery.
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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461 ✭


    << <i>I got a very well done fake when in Vietnam, brought it back to the States and it fooled most dealers. I wouldn't even look at a Trade $ unless it was at a minimum slabbed for authenticity beforehand. Another diagnositic to test for in addition to weight is metal content. All fakes are 'circulated.' Take it out of its 2 by 2 and let it drop to the floor. Pay attention to its ping when it hits the ground. Then do the same thing with a generic circulated Morgan or Peace $. See if the ping sounds the same. If it does, you have the geniune article. If not, the metal composition of the Trade $ is different than the Silver $ and the former is probably a forgery. >>



    Big problem here. Most people above 45 or 50 do not
    have ears for this. The best is about 22 decibles when
    young. Many of us only have about 8 or less. The drop
    test is almost a joke. How old are you?
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is one beautiful coin TDN... thanks for sharing. Cheers, RickO

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