UNOPENED SCAM ALERT--MAJOR RESEALING
BBCE
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Hello!
I am letting everyone know about an unopened scam we just accidently ran into. It has nothing to do with PSA.
One of our great customers shipped me 100 packs of 1979/80 Topps hockey to sell us. The packs were extrememly clean, but poorly homemade. The great customer of ours told me where he bought them. Doing some research, I found that we had sold this scammer a roll of 79/80 Topps hockey wrappers. His ebay ID's then showed he bought numerous lots of 79/80 Topps hockey. He also has purchased many wrappers from other issues. I'm afraid he might have sold members of this forum, so-called unopened packs off of ebay.
I don't want to publicly state the scammers name/location/ebay id's yet. However, I'm sure you guys can see from my past sales who I sold a roll of 60 1979/80 Topps hockey wrappers too(and then go from there).
If anyone feels they may have been taken by this, we are willing to help out with any action that may be taken.
Thanks, Steve Hart
I am letting everyone know about an unopened scam we just accidently ran into. It has nothing to do with PSA.
One of our great customers shipped me 100 packs of 1979/80 Topps hockey to sell us. The packs were extrememly clean, but poorly homemade. The great customer of ours told me where he bought them. Doing some research, I found that we had sold this scammer a roll of 79/80 Topps hockey wrappers. His ebay ID's then showed he bought numerous lots of 79/80 Topps hockey. He also has purchased many wrappers from other issues. I'm afraid he might have sold members of this forum, so-called unopened packs off of ebay.
I don't want to publicly state the scammers name/location/ebay id's yet. However, I'm sure you guys can see from my past sales who I sold a roll of 60 1979/80 Topps hockey wrappers too(and then go from there).
If anyone feels they may have been taken by this, we are willing to help out with any action that may be taken.
Thanks, Steve Hart
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Thanks for the heads up though.
i think this message board should boycott all unopened material...
as was proven at the national, even unopened stuff does not come out mint, so why take a chance when most probably its been resealed...
just the shear volume of "wrappers" sold should be enough evidence that resealing is rampant.....
very disheartening....
<< <i>i think the whole unopened wax packs thing is a sham....havent people been burned enough?
i think this message board should boycott all unopened material...
as was proven at the national, even unopened stuff does not come out mint, so why take a chance when most probably its been resealed...
just the shear volume of "wrappers" sold should be enough evidence that resealing is rampant.....
very disheartening.... >>
While it's a shame that things like this happen, I think it's a little overboard to say to boycot all unopened material because of it. That's like saying let's boycott all 86 Fleer Michael Jordan rookies, 63 Topps Pete Rose rookies or 85 Topps Mark McGwire, etc just because they have been counterfeited. There is a huge market for unopened material in this hobby - just ask the author of this thread. You can't punish all just for the wrong doing of a few. It's great to have PSA, GAI or experts like Steve to authenticate that stuff so that the ones who choose to educate themselves don't get burned.
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<< <i>Hello!
I am letting everyone know about an unopened scam we just accidently ran into. It has nothing to do with PSA.
One of our great customers shipped me 100 packs of 1979/80 Topps hockey to sell us. The packs were extrememly clean, but poorly homemade. The great customer of ours told me where he bought them. Doing some research, I found that we had sold this scammer a roll of 79/80 Topps hockey wrappers. His ebay ID's then showed he bought numerous lots of 79/80 Topps hockey. He also has purchased many wrappers from other issues. I'm afraid he might have sold members of this forum, so-called unopened packs off of ebay.
I don't want to publicly state the scammers name/location/ebay id's yet. However, I'm sure you guys can see from my past sales who I sold a roll of 60 1979/80 Topps hockey wrappers too(and then go from there).
If anyone feels they may have been taken by this, we are willing to help out with any action that may be taken.
Thanks, Steve Hart >>
Good info Steve - Thanks!
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What would you expect them to be doing with them? Wallpapering a room or creating a bar top display?
I could see 1 or 2 wrappers but 60 of the same wrappers? Geez
Thanks for letting us know. Obviously this is the scammer's buyer account because he has no feedback as a seller. Anyone know his seller id?
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<< <i>I'm afraid he might have sold members of this forum, so-called unopened packs off of ebay. >>
We need whoever from this forum bought 79/80 hockey packs recently to come forward with some info so we all know who to avoid.
Why would you sell a guy a roll of unopened wrappers? What did you think he was going to do with them?
Kevin
<< <i>Steve
Why would you sell a guy a roll of unopened wrappers? What did you think he was going to do with them?
Kevin >>
I have lots of these rolls from all different years
What are you supposed to do with them? Throw them away? Burn them so no one can ever use them?
I'd like to hear some explanations of what to do with them.
I keep them because they are a cool items to have and helps you learn more about the card and pack producing process....
I also find the scammers former ebay name ironic: ilovecheaters911
<< <i>Steve
Why would you sell a guy a roll of unopened wrappers? What did you think he was going to do with them?
Kevin >>
EXACTLY!!! you are basically fueling these scam artists by selling them the goods !!
reminds me of another crook on this board who had the same MO....buy wrappers, buy commons, reseal, sell....
its like selling a convict the gun without the ammo, and then say "its not my fault he shot someone, i didnt sell him the bullets!"
what if Steve sold him 2 boxes of product...he opened and searched and then resealed. Still Steve's problem?
Of course not. Know who you are buying from and unopened is KING--always will be...
As always--thanks Steve--I appreciate the heads up...most dealers would not care.
if they didnt sell them the wrappers, they wouldnt have the ammo for theor scams! simple!
<< <i>but thats not the problem, the problem is these dealers selling near worthless wrappers to these scam artists....
if they didnt sell them the wrappers, they wouldnt have the ammo for theor scams! simple! >>
So they throw them (and the $$) in the trash so someone else can sell them the wrappers?
This has ALWAYS been a part of the hobby
<< <i>but thats not the problem, the problem is these dealers selling near worthless wrappers to these scam artists....
if they didnt sell them the wrappers, they wouldnt have the ammo for theor scams! simple! >>
I'll never understand why a normally rational and reasonable person can't understand why, if a crime of fraud is committed that the people who sold the criminal the tools to commit the crime are guilty of anything. Wrappers are a collectable just like cards and it is not for any one person to say they are only for the purpose of committing a crime of fraud by resealing.
The analogy to guns is perfect. Guns are a legal product and sporting arms are used in recreational endeavors daily, but use one in a crime and suddenly Browning/Beretta and the like are sued sixty different ways as if they pulled the trigger.
Face it: Guns don't kill people, criminals do ------ Wrapper salesman don't sell resealed product...criminals do.
I've never bought a thing from Hart nor do I even know him but I think you owe him an apology for suggesting he is in any way responsible.
Mike
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if all the "reputable" dealers stopped selling these wrappers, then that would elimiate a big problem
buying wrappers and resealing cards is NOT PART OF THE HOBBY as you suggest...
buying 1 wrapper from 1952 topps, that is part of the hobby, not buying 70 near worthless wrappers....what are they gonna do, make a bar out of all these wrappers?
this is so obvious, i dont see why someone people dont get it!
STOP SELLING WRAPERS IN BULK!!
Should I throw them away because one day they might fall into the wrong hands?
Just like fake art masterpieces, counterfeit coins and stamps, repaired comics, forged autographs etc etc
People have to start becoming more educated buyers because it will NEVER go away
<< <i>so if everyone else is doing it , it makes it ok?
if all the "reputable" dealers stopped selling these wrappers, then that would elimiate a big problem
buying wrappers and resealing cards is NOT PART OF THE HOBBY as you suggest...
buying 1 wrapper from 1952 topps, that is part of the hobby, not buying 70 near worthless wrappers....what are they gonna do, make a bar out of all these wrappers?
this is so obvious, i dont see why someone people dont get it!
STOP SELLING WRAPERS IN BULK!! >>
If they are near worthless than why are people buying them. Nothing in this world is useless. You see people buying what you may think is stupid worthless crap, but to them may be the highight of their collection...of whatever it may be.
How dare BBCE sell these wrappers, clearly he is only selling them to make money (free enterprise)...the nerve!
Collecting wrappers may not be part of sports card hobby, but it is a part of the COLECTING hobby....notice them name of the site you are on......collectors universe.
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Because whenever I make those flippy M's in Mickey and Mantle I seem to get a little ink on my hands. It's very annoying.
While rolling the backs of the packs after heating them up with a hair dryer, I get blisters on my hands....
its like selling a convict the gun without the ammo, and then say "its not my fault he shot someone, i didnt sell him the bullets!" >>
Maybe IF the gun dealer knew the person was a convicted felon and IF Steve knew the buyer was a pack sealer. McDonald's is responsible for all the overweight people in the world. and the guy selling beer behind the counter of 7/11 is suppose to know the buyer is an alcoholic
STOP SELLING WRAPERS IN BULK!! >>
isn't a roll of wrappers suppose to be sold in bulk? - it's not really bulk since that is how they come. it's like saying a roll of toilet paper is buying in bulk since you have more than one sheet.
Even some GAI packs I have bought are obvious reseals.
What can I say, cheaters are everywhere.
you just have to see the difference between 1 classic wrapper that sells for hundreds (see memory lane auction) and bulk amounts of modern wrappers...
you are being naive thinking people are buying common wrappers in bulk if you think they are doing it for "collection" purposes....its obvious to me they are buying these things with intent to defraud ....
im not saying all wrappers are worthless or have no place in collecting, there is just a huge difference between the goudey wrappers and more modern wrappers that are available in bulk and cheap!
i know where i wont be spending any of my money, and that is on (resealed) wax
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Uncut sheets--because I'm sure some of them end up cut and in BGS holders and re-sold
Vending boxes--because they can be searched and have cards replaced and re-sold
1989 Topps boxes--because I see they guy bought those on ebay and used the gum for the older fake packs and re-sold
Goudeys--becasue they are easily cut down and re-sold
Cracker Jacks--becasue they can be bleached and re-sold
US Currency--because it has been counterfieted by many countries
basically anything of value--Art, Coins, baseball cards, automobiles, stamps, because they all can be altered and re-sold
Hartland Statues--because they are altered, re-painted, re-pieced and then re-sold
Display boxes--they can be filled with fake packs and re-sold
Should I continue?
We should also consider banning:
Checks--as they are forged every minute of every day
Credit cards--they are stolen and used every second
Our identites--because they are stolen all day long also
All I did was try to help anyone who thinks they have been scammed. I guess from now on I should just keep this helpful information to myself.
The guy who bought the wrappers, bought the commons, and then resealed them is at fault. Not the seller of the wrappers, the seller of the commons, or even ebay for giving the criminal an avenue to resell. What needs to be done is to prosecute these lowlife pieces of human garbage.
It is just like the people who used to download songs illegally. They didnt have to arrest, prosecute and fine EVERY one of them to slow down the downloads, they only had to do a few. Same here, if ebay and local authorities would take dirtbags like this and prosecute and make these little faceless punks lose their car, house, job, or whatever they hold dear and publicize it like the RIAA did with the illegal downloading, the scams would slowly decline in number. It wont get rid of them completely, but it will diminish the number so that the fake auctions wont just blend in like they do now. I mean, honestly, wouldnt you love to see some 20 year old punk do 3 years for trying to pull a scam...I would!!
Plus, lay off the guys who try and make a living selling legitimate collectibles. Its not their fault that the scum does the scam.
Robert
99% of us sincerely THANK YOU! A few people are just trying to stir the pot here so I would ignore them. Thank you for running the most ethical baseball card store I know of and thank you for your warning in this particular situation!
Doug
As for those wrappers are worthless, why sell. blah blah.. I know I'd love a roll of 1989 Fleer wrappers. Not to make packs (duh) but as a unique addition to my collection and something to help my boys with the ladies when they get older. yea.
Thanks Steve for the info. BTW my lawyers will be conntacting you.
You actually make a good point but the blame does not lie with Steve. He's one of the good guys and it really would be a shame to lose his insight.
Steve, we know you didn't have any malicious intent selling the wrappers. We sincerely thank you for doing the responsible thing by informing us of a potential reseal job.
Keep up the great work
<< <i>Doing some research, I found that we had sold this scammer a roll of 79/80 Topps hockey wrappers. His ebay ID's then showed he bought numerous lots of 79/80 Topps hockey. Thanks, Steve Hart >>
Dear Steve,
why in the hell would you sell 79/80 Topps Hockey wrappers?
Do you think they were making a table covering with them???
<< <i>I'm sorry. This is all my fault. From now on, I will not handle:
Uncut sheets--because I'm sure some of them end up cut and in BGS holders and re-sold
Vending boxes--because they can be searched and have cards replaced and re-sold
1989 Topps boxes--because I see they guy bought those on ebay and used the gum for the older fake packs and re-sold
Goudeys--becasue they are easily cut down and re-sold
Cracker Jacks--becasue they can be bleached and re-sold
US Currency--because it has been counterfieted by many countries
basically anything of value--Art, Coins, baseball cards, automobiles, stamps, because they all can be altered and re-sold
Hartland Statues--because they are altered, re-painted, re-pieced and then re-sold
Display boxes--they can be filled with fake packs and re-sold
Should I continue?
We should also consider banning:
Checks--as they are forged every minute of every day
Credit cards--they are stolen and used every second
Our identites--because they are stolen all day long also
All I did was try to help anyone who thinks they have been scammed. I guess from now on I should just keep this helpful information to myself. >>
It is still inexcusable to sell wrappers in bulk.
You don't need $$$$ that badly.
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm sorry. This is all my fault. From now on, I will not handle:
Uncut sheets--because I'm sure some of them end up cut and in BGS holders and re-sold
Vending boxes--because they can be searched and have cards replaced and re-sold
1989 Topps boxes--because I see they guy bought those on ebay and used the gum for the older fake packs and re-sold
Goudeys--becasue they are easily cut down and re-sold
Cracker Jacks--becasue they can be bleached and re-sold
US Currency--because it has been counterfieted by many countries
basically anything of value--Art, Coins, baseball cards, automobiles, stamps, because they all can be altered and re-sold
Hartland Statues--because they are altered, re-painted, re-pieced and then re-sold
Display boxes--they can be filled with fake packs and re-sold
Should I continue?
We should also consider banning:
Checks--as they are forged every minute of every day
Credit cards--they are stolen and used every second
Our identites--because they are stolen all day long also
All I did was try to help anyone who thinks they have been scammed. I guess from now on I should just keep this helpful information to myself. >>
It is still inexcusable to sell wrappers in bulk.
You don't need $$$$ that badly. >>
Man I sure hope that is sarcasm...
Probably the same kind of people that want to disarm the legally armed American.
Cynic isn't the word that comes to mind when I read through this thread.
<< <i>what if Steve sold him 2 boxes of product...he opened and searched and then resealed. Still Steve's problem? >>
That is so true! What if the scammer would have bought 2 boxes of 79/80 Topps Hockey from Steve, opened them up to search them and then re-sealed them? Would it still be Steve's fault?
I've never re-sealed wax, but that seems like the most logical way to do it. Everything you would need is already there - the wrappers, the cards and the gum.
Why people are still buying unopened wax (unless graded) on eBay I have no idea when there are reputable dealers such as Steve to buy from.
On a side note, I have some '74 and '76 Baseball unopened GRADED wax on the b/s/t boards
I collect wrappers. I have no intention of building packs out of them, although I'm sure it happens.
I collect raw sets. I have no intention of using them to fill packs I create. Or bogus Xmas rack packs.
I collect empty wax boxes. See a trend here?
If you have doubts about Steve's integrity you might as well pack it in right now. Who next? Wayne Varner? Bill McAvoy? These are the good guys.
I, for one, really appreciate anything Steve wants to share.
I think there is still a lot of shell shock from Gary's shenanigans.
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