SELLER "dont have the coin" the coin I won for $1.76 what would you do?

Hi,I just won a 1954 fbl Franklin for $1.76 he refunded the money like lighting strikes,what would you do? neg him report him??would it do any good?also it is showing that I still need to pay for this item,I ask him to take care of it on his end,even just to mark payment recived, but with no luck but he left me positive feedback
SORRY ABOUT THAT> Buyer: the_northern_trading_company ( 1699) Oct-06-07 10:00
1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL (#200157695249)
Payment >
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007 Total Amount:
-$6.76 USD
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007
Time:
09:09:14 PDT
Status:
Refunded
REFUND
Time:
09:25:38 PDT
Status:
Completed
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Now I did use bid asst on this one
he emailed me with this
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Dear the_northern_trading_company,
IM SORRY I DONT HAVE THE COIN ILL GIVE YOU A REFUND.
- cucuzza2007
Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
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I replied a little aggrivated and jumping the gun a little,saying I belive he was wrong about not having the coin,I could be wrong and YES I have made mistakes and have lost coins, and refunded the payments but I explained what happened and aplogized and sent them a coin for there trouble and when I found the coins months later have contacted the buyers and offered it to them off ebay ,both buyers did buy the coins
My point is this seller deserves the "you suck award"he was not the least bit sorry
My response to the refund and explanation
Dear cucuzza2007,
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?You listed it, did you lose it or....?I did bid and win on this item fairly,And the reply from you is I DONT HAVE THE COIN IWILL GIVE YOU A REFUND?Thanks I guess...I hope you do not do this to other winners who win nice coins for less than value,then decide not to sell it because it was worth more.!I am not happy at all
and said this to my reply( I know I sounded p-offed but I felt like he could care less)
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Dear the_northern_trading_company,
YOU SOUND LIKE YOU NEVER MADE A MISTAKE. EVEN WHEN YOU STARTED TRADING. YOU ARE GOOD.
- cucuzza2007
Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
99.6% Positive Feedback
Member since Mar-03-07 in United States
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should I just chalk it up and not deal with him again,he does have great feedback,or do you think I should contact ebay? it was not a great loss but a coin I needed for my Franklin set"over reacting on my part"?
this is the 4th time this year that I won coins cheap and had the same thing happen , coin lost,I did mail it(never got it ) error in listing etc,I have never said anything before just wrote it off I am just getting tired of the crap on ebay
SORRY ABOUT THAT> Buyer: the_northern_trading_company ( 1699) Oct-06-07 10:00
1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL (#200157695249)
Payment >
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007 Total Amount:
-$6.76 USD
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007
Time:
09:09:14 PDT
Status:
Refunded
REFUND
Time:
09:25:38 PDT
Status:
Completed
**************************************************
Now I did use bid asst on this one

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Dear the_northern_trading_company,
IM SORRY I DONT HAVE THE COIN ILL GIVE YOU A REFUND.
- cucuzza2007
Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
*************************************************************
I replied a little aggrivated and jumping the gun a little,saying I belive he was wrong about not having the coin,I could be wrong and YES I have made mistakes and have lost coins, and refunded the payments but I explained what happened and aplogized and sent them a coin for there trouble and when I found the coins months later have contacted the buyers and offered it to them off ebay ,both buyers did buy the coins
My point is this seller deserves the "you suck award"he was not the least bit sorry
My response to the refund and explanation
Dear cucuzza2007,
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?You listed it, did you lose it or....?I did bid and win on this item fairly,And the reply from you is I DONT HAVE THE COIN IWILL GIVE YOU A REFUND?Thanks I guess...I hope you do not do this to other winners who win nice coins for less than value,then decide not to sell it because it was worth more.!I am not happy at all
and said this to my reply( I know I sounded p-offed but I felt like he could care less)
*********************************************************************
Dear the_northern_trading_company,
YOU SOUND LIKE YOU NEVER MADE A MISTAKE. EVEN WHEN YOU STARTED TRADING. YOU ARE GOOD.
- cucuzza2007
Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
99.6% Positive Feedback
Member since Mar-03-07 in United States
link
should I just chalk it up and not deal with him again,he does have great feedback,or do you think I should contact ebay? it was not a great loss but a coin I needed for my Franklin set"over reacting on my part"?
this is the 4th time this year that I won coins cheap and had the same thing happen , coin lost,I did mail it(never got it ) error in listing etc,I have never said anything before just wrote it off I am just getting tired of the crap on ebay
Ebay Seller I.D
the_northern_trading_company
ace@airadv.net


the_northern_trading_company
ace@airadv.net


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<< <i>It's simple - he reNEGed. >>
Yup, it looks like he didn't like the final price and "lost" it.
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this is what I won
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no I am mad!
the_northern_trading_company
ace@airadv.net
He probably would not hesitate to give a neg rating to us buyers.
Ray
Only way you can be sure is ask the other buyer if he ever got it. If the seller is realy trying to back out until he gets the price he wants then you might see it listed again.
grrr
<< <i>Is it me ? or this the the same coin he sold twice???
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this is what I won
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no I am mad!
Looks like at least 3 times (or, using the same stock photo....)
Another one
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
the_northern_trading_company
ace@airadv.net
well as soon as i paypal'd i got a refund in like seconds....the guy said that earlier in the week his house had burned down and he lost all his coins in the fire and hadnt had time to pull his listings down.
well i was mad....i thought about emailing him back and telling him that i knew his story was bogus and that he must have noticed that little mm after it was too late and the auction fairly ended....i also thought about including in that email something about how distastfull i thought it was to go the extra mile in his story and include something disastrous like his house burning down (and how it seemed to somehow miss his computer as he was able to bounce emails with me)....
well cut to the chase, the next day all his listings were pulled down and his ebay 'about me' page included the same story about a house fire...this is a seller who had an ebay store as well and at any time had 100+ items listed so i dont think he would do all that just to have consistancy in his story with me....i'm glad i never sent that email blasting him as it seems his story panned out so i guess the moral is dont jump to conclusions
greg
www.brunkauctions.com
$1.76
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The seller can respond to your neg and those words will show up on your feed back page. So it's not a "free" reply necessarily.
Seems like a lot of hoopla over $6 or something. Neg him and move on. Include the multiple listings of the same coin.
roadrunner
It might not be much money, but the seller should suffer the consequences of his own crappy ethics, not the buyer.
I knew it would happen.
Hmmmmm,
bob
If it were me, I'd post it here, like you did, and then move on. Unless you are really, really mad about not getting such a steal.
So what!........if the seller doesn't want to sell something way below it's value. I don't blame him one bit. The simple truth; just because there wasn't enough interest or demand for a coin, why should anyone be penalize because they don't want to pay the extra fees for reserves or fix prices? It's different when we're dealing one on one in person, people can't pull s--- like this and get away with it. But just as soon as other rules apply via internet....we turn a very ugly side of ourselves when we can't get what we want for nothing!
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A seller could rob a buyer at gunpoint and the video could be posted on these boards and someone would attempt to justify the actions.
I wouldn't bother with a negative. I'd post a neutral and remark something like "Claims didn't have coin. refunded. Odd sold same coin now 4 times".
<< <i>Where's the camaraderie among collectors and dealers. >>
There is no camaraderie between collectors and dealers. The relationship is adversarial by its very nature. The dealer wants the highest price for his coin while the collector is trying to buy it for the lowest price possible. Just the way it is.
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<< <i>Since $1.76 is far below melt, much less fair market value, it might have been a listing error, in which case the seller is notobligated to complete the transaction. >>
A listing error? It was started at .99. So any seller who lists a coin at one cent or some other low price can legally reneg because they don't like the final price and just claim a listing error? Sorry, that doesn't fly.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>Well, sometimes thing does get mis-placed, at least he should look for it for a few days and than if he cant find it, send a refund or offer to send a similar coin. >>
or just relist it four more times.
I'd neg him AND report him!
I think a neg is warranted. If it was a screwed up BIN I could understand but the auction ran its course. Next time they might think of higher starting price or reserve
and they're cold.
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<< <i>IM SORRY I DONT HAVE THE COIN ILL GIVE YOU A REFUND. >>
.........because...............
.........my dog swallowed your coin........!!!!!
a reply to your neg...
i would simply move on.
REFUSED TO PAY, MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS, CANNOT PLEASE THIS NEWBIE SELLERS BLOCK HIS BIDS
Then he'll leave follow up retaliatory negative so you feedback will look like this...
REFUSED TO PAY, MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS, CANNOT PLEASE THIS NEWBIE SELLERS BLOCK HIS BIDS!
OFFERED MORE COINS, CAN'T PLEASE HIM, SELLERS BEWARE, BLOCK THIS NEWBIE!!!
The facts do not matter to EBay, it does not matter if you paid or not... EBay will refuse to investigate negative feedback, it's in their rules, sooooooooooooooooooo... you can ask him for another coin or just avoid him.
The retaliatory negative is the single most powerful tool the scam seller has and the "mutually withdrawn" feedback is there number 2.
any feedback and move on. In the real world, some folks do not seem
to understand ethics and integrity.
Camelot
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<< <i>It is not worthy of your time or aggravation. I would not leave
any feedback and move on. In the real world, some folks do not seem
to understand ethics and integrity. >>
I agree , but in the name of entertainment, we have soap operas and this one's under two bucks.
<< <i>NEG, at a minimum Neutral. >>
Be warned---a Neutral will usually earn you a retaliatory Neg.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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Forget it and move on with your life!
and they're cold.
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<< <i>It's simple - he reNEGed. >>
Yup, it looks like he didn't like the final price and "lost" it. >>
neg it
Leave a neg and you'll shut the door on any other coins this seller might have....that you might want.......very badly!
Leo
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