SELLER "dont have the coin" the coin I won for $1.76 what would you do?

mojoman

Hi,I just won a 1954 fbl Franklin for $1.76 he refunded the money like lighting strikes,what would you do? neg him report him??would it do any good?also it is showing that I still need to pay for this item,I ask him to take care of it on his end,even just to mark payment recived, but with no luck but he left me positive feedback
SORRY ABOUT THAT> Buyer: the_northern_trading_company ( 1699) Oct-06-07 10:00
1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL (#200157695249)


Payment >
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007 Total Amount:
-$6.76 USD
Date:
Oct. 6, 2007
Time:
09:09:14 PDT
Status:
Refunded
REFUND
Time:
09:25:38 PDT
Status:
Completed
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Now I did use bid asst on this one he emailed me with this
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Dear the_northern_trading_company,

IM SORRY I DONT HAVE THE COIN ILL GIVE YOU A REFUND.


- cucuzza2007

Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:L:AAQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
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I replied a little aggrivated and jumping the gun a little,saying I belive he was wrong about not having the coin,I could be wrong and YES I have made mistakes and have lost coins, and refunded the payments but I explained what happened and aplogized and sent them a coin for there trouble and when I found the coins months later have contacted the buyers and offered it to them off ebay ,both buyers did buy the coins
My point is this seller deserves the "you suck award"he was not the least bit sorry
My response to the refund and explanation

Dear cucuzza2007,

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?You listed it, did you lose it or....?I did bid and win on this item fairly,And the reply from you is I DONT HAVE THE COIN IWILL GIVE YOU A REFUND?Thanks I guess...I hope you do not do this to other winners who win nice coins for less than value,then decide not to sell it because it was worth more.!I am not happy at all

and said this to my reply( I know I sounded p-offed but I felt like he could care less)
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Dear the_northern_trading_company,

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU NEVER MADE A MISTAKE. EVEN WHEN YOU STARTED TRADING. YOU ARE GOOD.


- cucuzza2007

Item and user details
Item title: 1954 FRANKLIN HALF GEM FBL
Item number: 200157695249
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200157695249&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:US:11
End date: Saturday, Oct 06, 2007 06:22:16 PDT
From User: cucuzza2007( 225)
99.6% Positive Feedback
Member since Mar-03-07 in United States

link

should I just chalk it up and not deal with him again,he does have great feedback,or do you think I should contact ebay? it was not a great loss but a coin I needed for my Franklin set"over reacting on my part"?

this is the 4th time this year that I won coins cheap and had the same thing happen , coin lost,I did mail it(never got it ) error in listing etc,I have never said anything before just wrote it off I am just getting tired of the crap on ebay

Musky1011

Neg the bastige

Coll3ctor

"Neg the bastige"

+1

BlindedByEgo

It's simple - he reNEGed.

zkcoins

<< <i>It's simple - he reNEGed. >>



Yup, it looks like he didn't like the final price and "lost" it.

Myqqy

He had the coin when he took the photo!

VintageJeff

NEG

Texast

NEG - He knew that he could lose on this.

Steve27

Report him to ebay.

mojoman

Is it me ? or this the the same coin he sold twice???

link

this is what I won
link

no I am mad!

Raybo

His mistake and he should of been more aware..... neg'em.

He probably would not hesitate to give a neg rating to us buyers.

Ray

GrumpyEd

It looks the same, maybe he had already sold it?

Only way you can be sure is ask the other buyer if he ever got it. If the seller is realy trying to back out until he gets the price he wants then you might see it listed again.

grrr

Bochiman

<< <i>Is it me ? or this the the same coin he sold twice???

link

this is what I won
link

no I am mad! >>



Looks like at least 3 times (or, using the same stock photo....)

Another one

Frankcoins

My briefcase became lost a couple of weeks ago. Had about $500 worth of coins in it from the Fort Worth Green Oaks Show, plus my cell phone, electronic scale, calculator, check book, etc. It could just as easily had coins in it that I already listed on ebay, on the way to or from safe deposit box, or to the post office. Since $1.76 is far below melt, much less fair market value, it might have been a listing error, in which case the seller is not obligated to complete the transaction. "The law doesnt like windfalls" (fom Contracts 101... years ago in law).

mojoman

Thanks everyone for your input,I appreciate it,what got me was the seller had no remorse or explanation for the loss, I guess that is why I got a little upset, "stock photo"" could be? I do know I will not bid on his items again, There are always more sellers out there. Take care everyone,MoJo

itsnotjustme

Give him the NEG he deserves. He already left you positive, so there is no retaliation.

291fifth

There is no Santa Claus in numismatics. It's probably best to just move on.

savoyspecial

i had a similar experience earlier this year.....was scanning the bay and saw a 1916 dime in lower condition that was being sold as just a plain (philly) dime....well the reverse photo showed a tiny mintmark peeking out (couldnt tell d or s really)....i though what the heck and won it for $2 or so plus shipping.
well as soon as i paypal'd i got a refund in like seconds....the guy said that earlier in the week his house had burned down and he lost all his coins in the fire and hadnt had time to pull his listings down.
well i was mad....i thought about emailing him back and telling him that i knew his story was bogus and that he must have noticed that little mm after it was too late and the auction fairly ended....i also thought about including in that email something about how distastfull i thought it was to go the extra mile in his story and include something disastrous like his house burning down (and how it seemed to somehow miss his computer as he was able to bounce emails with me)....
well cut to the chase, the next day all his listings were pulled down and his ebay 'about me' page included the same story about a house fire...this is a seller who had an ebay store as well and at any time had 100+ items listed so i dont think he would do all that just to have consistancy in his story with me....i'm glad i never sent that email blasting him as it seems his story panned out so i guess the moral is dont jump to conclusions

greg

TwoSides2aCoin

$1.76

fcloud

I'd ask for a different coin.

roadrunner

Give him the NEG he deserves. He already left you positive, so there is no retaliation.

The seller can respond to your neg and those words will show up on your feed back page. So it's not a "free" reply necessarily.

Seems like a lot of hoopla over $6 or something. Neg him and move on. Include the multiple listings of the same coin.


roadrunner

Hyperion

neg and report 'em

jmski52

The auction is a contract. He deserves a neg and also a non-shipping seller report. He'd have the coin if it had sold for $700.00, now wouldn't he?

It might not be much money, but the seller should suffer the consequences of his own crappy ethics, not the buyer.

ricko

Give him a negative and report it. Cheers, RickO

AUandAG

I see that he did sell 4 franklins in Sept for $1 to $1.75 and delivered them. Perhaps it was a mistake?
Hmmmmm,
bob

notwilight

I would open a dialog with him, explain to him without being threatening that coins often disappear on ebay when they sell to cheap that ebay expects a seller to deliver and a buyer to leave negative feedback when they don't. I'd make my decision based on his reply. --Jerry

EagleEye

This thread says alot about human nature.

If it were me, I'd post it here, like you did, and then move on. Unless you are really, really mad about not getting such a steal.

leothelyon

Where's the camaraderie among collectors and dealers. The attitudes displayed here by several is exactly what ebay feeds on with their fees.
So what!........if the seller doesn't want to sell something way below it's value. I don't blame him one bit. The simple truth; just because there wasn't enough interest or demand for a coin, why should anyone be penalize because they don't want to pay the extra fees for reserves or fix prices? It's different when we're dealing one on one in person, people can't pull s--- like this and get away with it. But just as soon as other rules apply via internet....we turn a very ugly side of ourselves when we can't get what we want for nothing!


Leo

goose3

I love the way the loophole attempts come out in situations like this....far below melt..not obligated. Hilarious.

A seller could rob a buyer at gunpoint and the video could be posted on these boards and someone would attempt to justify the actions.

I wouldn't bother with a negative. I'd post a neutral and remark something like "Claims didn't have coin. refunded. Odd sold same coin now 4 times".

PerryHall

<< <i>Where's the camaraderie among collectors and dealers. >>



There is no camaraderie between collectors and dealers. The relationship is adversarial by its very nature. The dealer wants the highest price for his coin while the collector is trying to buy it for the lowest price possible. Just the way it is.

Coxe

Probably just a simple mistake. Coin was already sold and accidentally relisted. Give someone a break sometime. Unless there is a pattern to this, I don't see any problem except a minor waste of time bidding.

LALASD4

Well, sometimes thing does get mis-placed, at least he should look for it for a few days and than if he cant find it, send a refund or offer to send a similar coin.

Jcarney

<< <i>Since $1.76 is far below melt, much less fair market value, it might have been a listing error, in which case the seller is notobligated to complete the transaction. >>



A listing error? It was started at .99. So any seller who lists a coin at one cent or some other low price can legally reneg because they don't like the final price and just claim a listing error? Sorry, that doesn't fly.

goose3

<< <i>Well, sometimes thing does get mis-placed, at least he should look for it for a few days and than if he cant find it, send a refund or offer to send a similar coin. >>



or just relist it four more times.

Shamika

He waits until the auction is over to say he lost the coin? How convenient!

I'd neg him AND report him!

Shamika

Now that I've thought about it you should suggest he find you a gem 1954 FBL Franklin and sell it to you for $1.76. If he hems and haws, then you neg him. But if he agrees to this and completes the transaction satisfactorily and in a timely manner, leave him positive feedback and all will be right.

twodrhrdtp

I wish this had happened earlier. I sold a few PCGS coins to this person about a month ago. One IMO sold too cheap but I sent it. I guess I should of said it was lost.

I think a neg is warranted. If it was a screwed up BIN I could understand but the auction ran its course. Next time they might think of higher starting price or reserve

bushmaster8

Neg and report!

Gemineye

<< <i>IM SORRY I DONT HAVE THE COIN ILL GIVE YOU A REFUND. >>

.........because...............
.........my dog swallowed your coin........!!!!!

fc

i would not neg him due to the reaction he might have and post
a reply to your neg...

i would simply move on.

garsmith

Neg, neg, neg, neg and I will say it again NEG

SirAnthonyAC

If you leave him negative feedback, he'll slam your butt with retaliatory negative; something like this

REFUSED TO PAY, MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS, CANNOT PLEASE THIS NEWBIE SELLERS BLOCK HIS BIDS

Then he'll leave follow up retaliatory negative so you feedback will look like this...

REFUSED TO PAY, MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS, CANNOT PLEASE THIS NEWBIE SELLERS BLOCK HIS BIDS!
OFFERED MORE COINS, CAN'T PLEASE HIM, SELLERS BEWARE, BLOCK THIS NEWBIE!!!

The facts do not matter to EBay, it does not matter if you paid or not... EBay will refuse to investigate negative feedback, it's in their rules, sooooooooooooooooooo... you can ask him for another coin or just avoid him.

The retaliatory negative is the single most powerful tool the scam seller has and the "mutually withdrawn" feedback is there number 2.

RBinTex

Move on and stop wasting our time.

Bear

It is not worthy of your time or aggravation. I would not leave

any feedback and move on. In the real world, some folks do not seem

to understand ethics and integrity.

jessewvu

NEG, at a minimum Neutral. In the past, I pasted a link in my "reply to feedback" area and listed everything that happened in the listing. Check it out: Link to my feedback If you search for rob51id you will see what I did. It is a great way for YOU to explain exactly what happened.

Cheers!

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>It is not worthy of your time or aggravation. I would not leave

any feedback and move on. In the real world, some folks do not seem
to understand ethics and integrity. >>



I agree , but in the name of entertainment, we have soap operas and this one's under two bucks.

PerryHall

<< <i>NEG, at a minimum Neutral. >>



Be warned---a Neutral will usually earn you a retaliatory Neg.

SeattleSlammer

Give me a break! It's $1.76!
Forget it and move on with your life!

bushmaster8

I would CONTRACT the slimeball!

57loaded

<< <i>

<< <i>It's simple - he reNEGed. >>



Yup, it looks like he didn't like the final price and "lost" it. >>





neg it

leothelyon

Checking the seller's feedback, it looks like he sold the coin back on Aug 24. The seller left feedback, the buyer did not. So did the coin get returned or did the seller make a mistake in relisting a coin that he already had sold 6 weeks prior? It's also interesting that this seller has 13 other coins listed at over $100. But this coin started at .99? And it looks as though this coin was listed at .99 back in Aug. Me thinks if he had the coin he would have sent it. At .99 while he has another really nice looking example listed at $20, why wouldn't he send out a coin he had listed at .99? Obviously, he doesn't have it since it might haave been sold in another auction 6 weeks ago.
Leave a neg and you'll shut the door on any other coins this seller might have....that you might want.......very badly!


Leo