The collapse of the dollar, replaced by amero/euro
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What happened to gold prices when the european union was formed? Did those folks lose money when their currency disappeared and was replaced by the euro? Or, did the europeans make money hand over fist when their currency was tanked and the euro was ushered in?
As most of you know, the amero (or the euro) is coming to America now thanx to the recently signed NAU and SPP.
If we're sitting at $740/oz today, and they make the dollar illegal by tomorrow, what will the gold price here do? It won't $740/ox, that's for sure. Will it just be switched over to the new currency at an equivalent as the economy continues to fall?
I really see mexico benefitting from this since they are the poorest (well, not really if you look at all the billionaires there). I see canada and america becoming more like a third world nation in the next few years.
I guess what I'm wondering is, am I going to lose value in my numismatics and bars etc.? (I live in florida fyi) I dread the coming days, I've even thought of moving to a poor US-owned nation to hopefully avoid the coming bombs, martial law, rfid implants, slavery, dictatorship, etc etc.
Or, should I stay in this country, bend over like everyone else for a bit, but end up a wealthy man because of my hidden gold goodies?
These are very serious questions that I'd really like some educated well thought answers for please. I am scared, I'll admit it. When I see gun confiscations being signed into law, free speech zones being setup everywhere, over 200 fema camps being setup (even underground ones) to hold literally millions of people, etc.. these things just scream the coming dictatorship here and a hitlerian style "country".
Ideas? Concerns?
Please and thank you!
-ken
As most of you know, the amero (or the euro) is coming to America now thanx to the recently signed NAU and SPP.
If we're sitting at $740/oz today, and they make the dollar illegal by tomorrow, what will the gold price here do? It won't $740/ox, that's for sure. Will it just be switched over to the new currency at an equivalent as the economy continues to fall?
I really see mexico benefitting from this since they are the poorest (well, not really if you look at all the billionaires there). I see canada and america becoming more like a third world nation in the next few years.
I guess what I'm wondering is, am I going to lose value in my numismatics and bars etc.? (I live in florida fyi) I dread the coming days, I've even thought of moving to a poor US-owned nation to hopefully avoid the coming bombs, martial law, rfid implants, slavery, dictatorship, etc etc.
Or, should I stay in this country, bend over like everyone else for a bit, but end up a wealthy man because of my hidden gold goodies?
These are very serious questions that I'd really like some educated well thought answers for please. I am scared, I'll admit it. When I see gun confiscations being signed into law, free speech zones being setup everywhere, over 200 fema camps being setup (even underground ones) to hold literally millions of people, etc.. these things just scream the coming dictatorship here and a hitlerian style "country".
Ideas? Concerns?
Please and thank you!
-ken
www.KenSolar.com
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I've got to admit this NP's concerns are new to me.
Never denegrate a new posters questions... some of us old farts want answers too.
is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
"As most of you know, the amero (or the euro) is coming to America now thanx to the recently signed NAU and SPP."
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Long dead since April when you joined? >>
Actually I've been a member for about 6 years off and on. I lost my old account when they revamped there web site, so just had them create a new account. But having said that, this topic has been dissed a number of times here. I'ts not a coin question, it's a political one.
<< <i>What happened to gold prices when the european union was formed? Did those folks lose money when their currency disappeared and was replaced by the euro? Or, did the europeans make money hand over fist when their currency was tanked and the euro was ushered in? >>
I'd be interefted in hearing an anfwer to that.
<< <i>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.usenet.kooks >>
alt.usenet.kooks was established in 1993, the same year as the EU ok? Coincidence?
No tinfoil hats here people, this stuff is very real, and you can see it for yourself on the government's own websites, as well as websites like newamericancentury.org, infowars.com, ssa.gov, fema.gov, and www.dhs.gov. Check this out too:
http://google.com/search?q=north+american+union
What did the europeans do? Take a big loss in gold? Move? Buy and sell in a different currency?
Ideas? Thoughts?
Thanx in advance folks
-ken
www.KenSolar.com
I live in Florida too, obviously not the the one you live in.
Things in this country surely are not what they once were but your view of it is off base to say the least and helps nothing. Seems to me you are reading and listening to the wrong people. One should not live his life in fear. If it's too scarey for you here, just get the heck out!
"No tinfoil hats here people, this stuff is very real, and you can see it for yourself on the government's own websites"
Give us the government's own websites, if you are not a liar. That means links.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Did not Dick Cheney recently (this summer) attend a conference in Canada on this very matter? I don't know the agenda, but I believe that it is common knowledge that it took place.
I knew it would happen.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>The North American Union and Security & Prosperity Partnership
Did not Dick Cheney recently (this summer) attend a conference in Canada on this very matter? I don't know the agenda, but I believe that it is common knowledge that it took place. >>
Of course it is real. spp.gov
<< <i>What happened to gold prices when the european union was formed? Did those folks lose money when their currency disappeared and was replaced by the euro? Or, did the europeans make money hand over fist when their currency was tanked and the euro was ushered in? >>
I'd be interefted in hearing an anfwer to that.
<< <i>For the last few years, the amero was going to be our new currency here >>
You a fan of Hal Turner?
Russ, NCNE
Well, there is the European Central Bank...is there an Amero Central Bank anywhere or maybe a North American Central Bank that we don't know about yet. ECB home page
Russ, NCNE
What about Building 7?
How is that never before in history has a steel bldg collapsed because of fire?
How is that the 3 buildings collapsed at freefall speed on one day, all in their own footprint?
How do you fit a 757 thru a 16ft hole? [pentagon]
Why were the windows outside that hole still intact? Where did the wings go? The turbines?
Why was all the wreckage tarped and hauled off in a matter of hours?
Have you ever seen the size of a 757?
Why did we illegally go into Iraq? We have over 33 bases there now..
Why are we now going after Iran's oil and nuke production?
Think Hitler. Propagandize, disarm, divide and conquer.
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
The terrorists aren't who you think they are.
I'm surprised that even the NAU and SPP were foreign to you gold folks. I thought most gold people were survivalists, true wealth, freedom loving people. I only see 3 or 4 people here that are "in the know" or at least curious.. I applaud you folks. I also highly recommend those of you who know nothing about this stuff to at least research it on google (or email me). It's very easy to find the individual articles on rfid implants, police state, coming martial law, executive orders out the wazoo, nau, spp, bilderbergers, pnac, etc. Also check out jonesreport.com, i use that site as a portal for cnn, cnbc, reuters, ap, and other news articles. The actual "links" you want are all right there. Watch the google video called "outfoxed" sometime, or "terrorstorm".
Well, at least you've got gold. I hope you also have guns, some food reserves, water collection/purification and storage, etc. The next year and a half is going to be ugly. China is pulling out, the dollar is being unpegged, bush just secretly signed off on another 900+ billion... The Depression of the 30's was nothing. I was really hoping someone could have at least answered my question here, I guess I'll try a different forum, sorry to bother you folks, thanx anyway
-ken
www.KenSolar.com
<< <i>If you'd like to get a head start, you can stock up on Amero's here.
Russ, NCNE >>
So is that pretty good exchage rate? I haven't looked into the rates being offered by the Central Bank of North America.
<< <i>KenSolarCom ..... WOW..... what a dooms day attitude you have! >>
Wow! is right. I think he really believes every word in that diatribe!
Again...Wow!
<< <i>There were a few questions that I had about 9/11 too, that were never answered in their "official 9/11 report". >>
Oh geez.
Russ, NCNE
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>As most of you know, the amero (or the euro) is coming to America now thanx to the recently signed NAU and SPP. >>
OMG! You mean this is TRUE???? I thought Hal Turner was full of crap when he mistakenly received one of Daniel Carr's Parody Amero's and called it a US Treasury issue!!!
A-I-E-E-E!!!!!
Does this mean we'll have a presidential Amero coin in our Future?????
The name is LEE!
<< <i>There were a few questions that I had about 9/11 too, that were never answered in their "official 9/11 report". >>
How do you feel about the Apollo moon landings?
<< <i>
I really see mexico benefitting from this since they are the poorest (well, not really if you look at all the billionaires there). I see canada and america becoming more like a third world nation in the next few years.
I guess what I'm wondering is, am I going to lose value in my numismatics and bars etc.? (I live in florida fyi) I dread the coming days, I've even thought of moving to a poor US-owned nation to hopefully avoid the coming bombs, martial law, rfid implants, slavery, dictatorship, etc etc.
Or, should I stay in this country, bend over like everyone else for a bit, but end up a wealthy man because of my hidden gold goodies?
These are very serious questions that I'd really like some educated well thought answers for please. I am scared, I'll admit it. When I see gun confiscations being signed into law, free speech zones being setup everywhere, over 200 fema camps being setup (even underground ones) to hold literally millions of people, etc.. these things just scream the coming dictatorship here and a hitlerian style "country".
Ideas? Concerns?
Please and thank you!
-ken >>
We are the stupid Americans...!!! We buy all the imported goods from all over the the world and don't give a damn about our own.We are going to go broke and the ones who will benifit will be the ones South of the Border..All of our capital will be diveede' up between those poor unfortunate drug infested towns that were abandoned.Our southern neighbor and some of our govt officials think our country is their back yard.....If it becomes common ground ... then yes there will be a common currency.....JMO....
Here ya' go, Kenny...
You'll fit right in...
...among the clueless.
<< <i>Looks like the majority of the folks in this forum have no idea, that's ok, it's not a widely publicized topic, to say the least. There were a few questions that I had about 9/11 too, that were never answered in their "official 9/11 report". Things like..
What about Building 7?
How is that never before in history has a steel bldg collapsed because of fire?
How is that the 3 buildings collapsed at freefall speed on one day, all in their own footprint?
How do you fit a 757 thru a 16ft hole? [pentagon]
Why were the windows outside that hole still intact? Where did the wings go? The turbines?
Why was all the wreckage tarped and hauled off in a matter of hours?
Have you ever seen the size of a 757?
Why did we illegally go into Iraq? We have over 33 bases there now..
Why are we now going after Iran's oil and nuke production?
Think Hitler. Propagandize, disarm, divide and conquer.
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
The terrorists aren't who you think they are.
>>
Oh, boy...I was wondering when the 9/11 stuff would come out...this seems to go hand in hand with the amero stuff. Look out, Ken, I think I hear the black helicopters! Put on your tinfoil hat!
<< <i>There were a few questions that I had about 9/11 too, that were never answered in their "official 9/11 report". Things like..
What about Building 7? >>
So you really are one of these conspiracy theorists. Building 7? Diesel fuel lines that feed generators in the basement were damaged and ruptured from the towers' collapse and fed the fire in building 7, and there was no attempt made to save 7 because of the dangers.
<< <i>How is that never before in history has a steel bldg collapsed because of fire? >>
Because no building on fire was ever fueled by jet fuel! And it's only relatively recent history that buildings have been made of steel.
<< <i>How is that the 3 buildings collapsed at freefall speed on one day, all in their own footprint? >>
Ever make a house of cards? Did you expect them to tip over like a tree coming down? And the damage did in fact go beyond their footprint, see building 7.
<< <i>How do you fit a 757 thru a 16ft hole? [pentagon] >>
Uneducated people, and freaks, think an aluminum jet will poke a plane shaped hole when in fact the aircraft vaporized into a molten ball, because if the high spped it was traveling, and like I said, it is made of aluminum!, and this molten ball of energy caused the hole you refer to, which actually was several rings inside the Pentagon. The hole on the outside was clearly larger than 16 feet, you fr3ak.
<< <i>Why were the windows outside that hole still intact? Where did the wings go? The turbines? >>
The wings?! Are you fvcking kidding me? I'm losing my patience. The wings were vaporized you tool! Plenty of windows were blown out and lets not overlook that side of the Pentagon went through millions in improvements, the kind to withstand bombings.
<< <i>Why was all the wreckage tarped and hauled off in a matter of hours? >>
What do you expect them to do? Leave it there for days? This was the Pentagon that was hit!
<< <i>Have you ever seen the size of a 757? >>
Uh, yeah! Still smaller than a 747. What's your point?
<< <i>Why did we illegally go into Iraq? >>
To finish the job daddy should have done when we had the UN's blessing to be there.
<< <i>We have over 33 bases there now.. >>
GOOD!
<< <i>Why are we now going after Iran's oil and nuke production? >>
This question is so stupid it deserves no response. If you have to ask a question like that there is no hope for you.
<< <i>Don't worry Hillary will take care of it in 2009! >>
Ugh.
So I say, nows the time!!! Bring it on. We need canada's oil and gas reserves and Mexico's cheap labor. Mexico City can be the "New Detroit", we can turn Van Couver into Refinery Hell, god knows we need the capacity, right..
Here come the Iranian nukes now...better run to your bomb-proof shelter and stay there for the next 20 years while the radiation clears. I'll take care of things up here.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Pentimento, thanks for the link. But, it looks like Dick Cheney is impersonating President Bush in the photo in that link you provided. There's something very fishy going on around here............... >>
It is a good link, just avoid the myth vs. facts section. Here's a sample of the kind of info that can be found there--
Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.
Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.
What happened to gold prices when the european union was formed?
The EU started in 1957 with 6 nations. Today it has 27, with Bulgaria and Romania joining in 2007.
During the period 1957 to 2007, gold prices rose as shown in this graph from $34.95 per ounce to todays figure of about $730 per ounce.
Did those folks lose money when their currency disappeared and was replaced by the euro? Or, did the europeans make money hand over fist when their currency was tanked and the euro was ushered in?
The euro first came into being in 1999, only in electronic transactions, and became legal tender in 2002. No one's currency was tanked. Fixed exchange rates to the euro were determined and set. So since there were computed fixed exchange rates, I don't see people making money had over fist. And since gold is priced in dollars, it's price is relative to the strength or weakness of the dollar. Although gold has risen lately, the dollar has fallen against the euro, so the price of gold in euros has changed less than in dollars.
they make the dollar illegal by tomorrow, what will the gold price here do? It won't $740/ox, that's for sure.
Tommorrow will be here in a few hours. The dollar will still be legal. I guess if there were no dollars, gold could no longer be priced in dollars.
I guess from here your questions get really out there as there are so many built in assumptions like
- as the economy continues to fall
- bombs, martial law, RFID implants, slavery, doctatorship (Where on Earth did you get this?)
- 200 fema camps
Ideas? Concerns? Only about the poster.
As far as the price of gold, I have no clue how that changed.
Whose alt are you?
Yes we do. Unfortunately the Arabs just announced a major acquistion of some oil sands property.
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<< <i>"Ideas? Concerns? "
Whose alt are you? >>
Bingo. And I'm pretty sure the answer is, one of the posters to this thread, an established member who has been posting some pretty strange stuff lately, and needs another ID to really get it off his chest.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Myth vs. Fact
Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.
Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.
Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.
Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.
Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress.
Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans.
Myth: The SPP infringes on the sovereignty of the United States.
Fact: The SPP respects and leaves the unique cultural and legal framework of each of the three countries intact. Nothing in the SPP undermines the U.S. Constitution. In no way does the SPP infringe upon the sovereignty of the United States.
Myth: The SPP is illegal and violates the Constitution.
Fact: The SPP is legal and in no way violates the Constitution or affects the legal authorities of the participating executive agencies. Indeed, the SPP is an opportunity for the governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico to discuss common goals and identify ways to enhance each nationfs security and prosperity. If an action is identified, U.S. federal agencies can only operate within U.S. law to address these issues. The Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security coordinate the efforts of the agencies responsible for the various initiatives under the prosperity and security pillars of the SPP. If an agency were to decide a regulatory change is desirable through the cooperative efforts of SPP, that agency is required to conform to all existing U.S. laws and administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment.
Myth: The U.S section of the SPP is headed by the Department of Commerce.
Fact: The SPP is a White House-driven initiative. In the United States, the Department of Commerce coordinates the eProsperityf component, while the Department of Homeland Security coordinates the eSecurityf component. The Department of State ensures the two components are coordinated and are consistent with U.S. foreign policy.
Myth: The U.S. Government, working though the SPP, has a secret plan to build a "NAFTA Super Highway."
Fact: The U.S. government is not planning a NAFTA Super Highway. The U.S. government does not have the authority to designate any highway as a NAFTA Super Highway, nor has it sought such authority, nor is it planning to seek such authority. There are private and state level interests planning highway projects which they themselves describe as "NAFTA Corridors," but these are not Federally-driven initiatives, and they are not a part of the SPP.
Myth: The U.S. Government, through the Department of Transportation, is funding secretive highway projects to become part of a gNAFTA Super Highwayh.
Fact: Many States in the American Midwest are proposing or undertaking highway projects to improve or build roads as Federal-aid and State or private sector revenue becomes available. All projects involving Federal-aid funds or approvals are subject to normal Federal-aid requirements, such as review under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), including public involvement. This public involvement, the common thread among all these activities, makes them anything but gsecret.h In addition, Congress directs Department of Transportation funding for specific highway projects.
The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) will continue to cooperate with the State transportation departments as they build and upgrade highways to meet the needs of the 21st century. Rather than evidence of a secret plan to create a NAFTA Super Highway that would undermine our national sovereignty, the FHWAfs efforts are a routine part of cooperation with all the State transportation departments to improve the Nationfs highways.
Myth: U.S. Government officials sponsored a secret SPP planning meeting in Banff, Alberta in September 2006.
Fact: The U.S. Government did not sponsor the meeting in Banff. The North American Forum, a private initiative that is separate from the U.S. Government, hosted the September 12-14, 2006 conference gContinental Prosperity in the New Security Environment.h Academics, businesspersons, private citizens, and government officials from the U.S., Mexican, and Canadian governments attended the conference. The North American Forum is not a product of the SPP.
Myth: The SPP will cost U.S. taxpayers money.
Fact: The SPP is being implemented with existing budget resources. Over the long-term, it will save U.S. taxpayers money by cutting through costly red tape and reducing redundant paperwork. This initiative will benefit the taxpayers through economic gain and increased security, thereby enhancing the competitiveness and quality of life in our countries.
Myth: The working groups and SPP documents are a secret and not available to the public.
Fact: The SPPfs initiatives and milestones with timelines can be found by clicking the Report to Leaders link at www.spp.gov. The Web site contains a section to enable interested persons to provide input directly to the various working groups.
Myth: The SPP seeks to lower U.S. standards through a regulatory cooperation framework.
Fact: The framework will support and enhance cooperation and encourage the compatibility of regulations among the three partners while maintaining high standards of health and safety. Any regulatory changes will require agencies to conform to all U.S. administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment. Enhanced cooperation in this area will provide consumers with more affordable, safer, and more diversified and innovative products.
Myth: The SPP is meant to deal with immigration reform and trade disputes.
Fact: Immigration reform is a legislative matter currently being debated in Congress and is not being dealt with in the SPP. Likewise, trade disputes between the United States, Canada, and Mexico are resolved in the NAFTA and WTO mechanisms and not the SPP.
Myth: The SPP will result in the loss of American jobs.
Fact: The SPP seeks to create jobs by reducing transaction costs and unnecessary burdens for U.S. companies, which will bolster the competitiveness of our firms globally. These efforts will help U.S. manufacturers, spur job creation, and benefit consumers.
Myth: The SPP will harm our quality of life.
Fact: The SPP improves the safety and well-being of Americans. It builds on efforts to protect our environment, improves our ability to combat infectious diseases, such as avian influenza, and ensures our food supply is safe through the exchange of information and cooperation „Ÿ improving the quality of life for U.S. citizens. Americans enjoy world class living standards because we are engaged with the world.
Myth: The SPP creates a NAFTA-plus legal status between the three countries.
Fact: The SPP does not seek to rewrite or renegotiate NAFTA. It creates no NAFTA-plus legal status.
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There is some excellent conspiracy comedy on that site.
Russ, NCNE