<< <i> you point out that his postseason batting average nearly mirrors his regular season numbers, but consider this, batting .300 is getting a hit 3 out of 10 times up - simple math, clutch is getting those "3" hits when men are on base, when your team is down and desperately needs a baserunner, hitting a walk off homer, a double in the gap with a runner on, those 3 hits might be just 3 hits out of 10 when compared to the regular season, but anyone who watches and actually understands baseball knows exactly what clutch is, Jeter is, Big Papi is (manny isn't), Pujols is, Bonds isn't, Brett was, Molitor was, Yount was.
<< <i> you point out that his postseason batting average nearly mirrors his regular season numbers, but consider this, batting .300 is getting a hit 3 out of 10 times up - simple math, clutch is getting those "3" hits when men are on base, when your team is down and desperately needs a baserunner, hitting a walk off homer, a double in the gap with a runner on, those 3 hits might be just 3 hits out of 10 when compared to the regular season, but anyone who watches and actually understands baseball knows exactly what clutch is, Jeter is, Big Papi is (manny isn't), Pujols is, Bonds isn't, Brett was, Molitor was, Yount was.
Bonds isn't clutch? So when he hit .471 in the world series with 4 HRs and had a .700 OBP, that wasn't clutch? Moron.
Given enough at bats, given a large enough sample size, EVERYONE reverts to the mean.
And yes, all .300 averages are indeed created equally. >>
Hell no bonds isn't clutch, you forget to mention that he hit around .100 his first 100 at bats in the post season - eerrrrr where was he when the braves were waxing the pirates in the playoffs (probably in the clubhouse, placing his order for roids -eerr cream) so that he could get big and strong and not be such a sorry choker.
Anyone who watched playoff baseball in the beginning of the 90's braves run, knows exactly how bad and how long Bonds Sucked!!!
i tell you what we'll take 2 identical .300 averages (3 hits out of 10 at bats), you take your .300 average obtained by getting a hit with no one on with 2 outs and being stranded, or a solo or 2 run homer when your team is down by 6 and the game is next to over, just your run of the mill .300, and i'll take mine (just 3 hits out of 10 now) when the bases are loaded, or with runners on the corners and 2 outs, or bottom of the ninth, down by a run, 2 run bomb, and then you tell me which .300 average you'd rather have
MORON
all .300 are NOT created equal, and that illustrates Clutch perfectly
<< <i> Hell no bonds isn't clutch, you forget to mention that he hit around .100 his first 100 at bats in the post season - eerrrrr where was he when the braves were waxing the pirates in the playoffs (probably in the clubhouse, placing his order for roids -eerr cream) so that he could get big and strong and not be such a sorry choker. >>
And then the law of averages caught up to him. He's not a career .100 batter, and he's not a career .471 batter...the law of averages prove time and again that all players revert to the mean.
<< <i>Anyone who watched playoff baseball in the beginning of the 90's braves run, knows exactly how bad and how long Bonds Sucked!!! >>
And anyone who watches with a subjective mind knows that Bonds in the playoffs when he was struggling was simply an aberration.
<< <i>i tell you what we'll take 2 identical .300 averages (3 hits out of 10 at bats), you take your .300 average obtained by getting a hit with no one on with 2 outs and being stranded, or a solo or 2 run homer when your team is down by 6 and the game is next to over, just your run of the mill .300, and i'll take mine (just 3 hits out of 10 now) when the bases are loaded, or with runners on the corners and 2 outs, or bottom of the ninth, down by a run, 2 run bomb, and then you tell me which .300 average you'd rather have >>
But neither of those situations happen in real life. You're going to tell me that Jeter, batting .300 in the playoffs, got all of his hits with RISP or with 2 outs, or in close and late games? Come on now, even you cannot be that blind to think that's the case.
<< <i>all .300 are NOT created equal, and that illustrates Clutch perfectly >>
Yes, in the end, they are all indeed equal. Because there is nobody who ONLY gets his hits in close and late situations, and there is nobody who only gets his hits in less meaningful situations.
I understand, it's human nature to embrace greatness. However, we were blessed with brains that allow us to critically analyze situations that show we can actually embrace the fact that the mythology of 'clutch' is just that - a myth.
Nobody is arguing jeter hasn't had a great career-he has.
What is silly is the argument that either (a) jeter has a chance of breaking Rose's hit record or (b) mentioning Jeter in the same breath as Ted Williams.
The chance of Jeter playing 11 more seasons without any decline is extremely small. Even the players with the longest careers achieve such a small fraction of the success they had when younger. That/s even true for the players famous for being old like Franco or Henderson.
Jeter is a better homerun hitter than the best DH in history
He is overrated, but that is because people rate his too highly, not because he is lacking talent
Jeter's postseason average, obp, and slugging percentage is only a smidgen higher than his regular season totals. He is very good hitter in October. He is also a very good hitter in May. He is a very good hitter in the ninth inning. And he is a very good hitter in the third inning. His hitting doesn't change too much when the situation changes. That is talent, not clutch
<< <i>Jeter is a better homerun hitter than the best DH in history
He is overrated, but that is because people rate his too highly, not because he is lacking talent >>
Im not sure Im following you correctly here or not BUT Jeter is NOT a better HR hitter than the best DH in history? For one example Papi is a DH and a better HR hitter...Im not sure who the BEST HR hitting DH in history is but it is not Jeter.......I dont believe Jeter is overated? He plays hard, leads by example, and hits well.
(1) Derek has more hits than any active player in all of baseball since 1996.
(2) Jetes is the 1st Yankee to have 200 or more hits in 6 different seasons.
Hail the Great Jeter!
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Thats fine ya cold stiff. Was trying to get a laugh out of you but that is not possible.
Anyway, what is your point? You found the ONE guy in all of baseball that produces hits at a more frequent rate per year on average. So what does that mean? Was there a debate going on between these two guys?
Ichiro has more hits then anybody since 2001 (7 years)
Jeter has mor hits then anybody since 1996 (11 years)
at this point 11 years is more impressive. Lets see if Ichiro can keep up with Jeter over the next 5 years.
I will repeat for those of us who can not read: Derek has more hits than any active player in all of baseball since 1996.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
At this point there is NO PROBLEM with Yankee fans touting Jeter. Besides his amazing hit total after 11 years is the 7 seasons Jeter has 30 plus doubles.
<< <i>Nobody said touting him was a fault, but to say he's going to 'demolish' Rose's hit record is delusional at best. >>
I would agree with that as I have already in the thread I think you are referring to ..... when I said "not bloody likely" when tabulating what it would take to reach Rose as far as hits go. I will say that Jeter will reach 3,500 hits if he stays relatively healthy .... and that kind of lofty total does not deserve the flak he has gotten around here for the past few years. 3,500 hits is a definate possibility for Jeter. THAT would put Jeter in 5th place ALL TIME on the hit list.
softparade, why don't you think Jeter would break Rose's record? Jetes loves the game and takes care of himself so I can see him playing well into his 40's as a DH or playing 1B
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>softparade, why don't you think Jeter would break Rose's record? Jetes loves the game and takes care of himself so I can see him playing well into his 40's as a DH or playing 1B >>
Because I weigh any possible injury factor with longevity. Sure if Derek stays healthy and plays unitl he is 43 or 44 he could reach Rose. BUT ..... and I mean BUT you would think he would be sidelined with an injury or two during that time. So .... I base my numbers on Jeter staying healthy until 39 or 40. Even if he plays past that I have a bulit in injury cushion for him. My bet would be 3,500 hits for Jeter. Anything more than that is big time gravy.
Jeter only needs 646 more hits to reach 3,000. THAT is amazing .... and at his current pace we are talking only 3 healthy seasons. That puts him at 36 years old. IF and I mean IF Derek Jeter reaches 3,000 hits at 36 years old THEN I would say Rose has reason to worry.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Alex Rodriguez is only 105 hits behind Jeter AND is a full year younger. I dont believe Jeter will have the stats at age 39/40 that would make him a likely candidate to play 1st or DH, he just doesnt have enough power. Arod on the other hand would make a perfect 1st or DH as his power numbers should still be high enough to get some full seasons at either of those positions. I think its very unlikely either of them will pass Rose, but if you had to pick one, the smart money would be on Rodriguez.
Keeping up the pace will be very difficult. Rose managed to play forever. Others couldn't keep it up:
By the age of 33: Ty Cobb had 2856 hits.
And to go a little more recent: Hank Aaron had 2618 hits. Robin Yount had 2602. Vada Pinson had 2453. Stan Musial had 2418.
Jeter doesn't crack the top 10 in hits through age 33. Then again, Rose didn't either.
Jeter will get to 3000 hits, no doubt. Whether or not he has enough gas for an extra lap or two after he gets there is another story. WAAAAAYYYY too early to tell.
I guess I don't understand how it's so hard to believe that Jeter would play well into his 40's. With guys like Bonds, Clemens, Johnson, etc. playing at 43, 44, 45, it's not that hard to fathom that a guy in great shape (which Jeter currently is) could do it.
I do think HGH has helped the majority of these guys play into their forties, if MLB continues to crack down on this you might see a dramatic drop in players lasting as long as they have.
I still don't know why the Yanks never moved Jeter to center and improved two positions. Seems arrogant and self defeating, but I guess I'll live with it.
<< <i>I still don't know why the Yanks never moved Jeter to center and improved two positions. Seems arrogant and self defeating, but I guess I'll live with it. >>
What, and admit to your yankee fanbase that Arod is a better player than Jeter? That would never happen.
It's not hard to imagine Jeter playing into his 40s. It's hard to see him maintaining this same pace that long. Has anyone in baseball history ever been able to do so?
Barry Bonds won four MVP awards to finish his 30s. Since turning 40 his hits have dropped by more than half. The strikeout totals Johnson and Clemens over the past two years combine to equal only about two-thirds of what they were doing at their very best. And those are the best older players in baseball history
At age 33 Jeter has 55% of the hits Rose had in his career. Griffey reached that percentage of Aaron's homerun total at age 30 and now seems to have very little hope of surpassing him
Being a year younger with only 100 hits less Rodriguez has a likely chance of finishing his career with more hits than Jeter, especially since he is a much better hitter, thus can decline more while still being a viable Major League plaer
When Pete Rose was pursuing Ty Cobb's record, he was not very good and was doing very little to help the teams he played for. Would Derek Jeter concede to play several years like that? Maybe he can take over for Torre as a player manager in 2015
<< <i> At age 33 Jeter has 55% of the hits Rose had in his career. Griffey reached that percentage of Aaron's homerun total at age 30 and now seems to have very little hope of surpassing him
>>
Griffey is not the best example. Getting hurt and Griffey go together like peanut butter and jelly. What has happened to Griffey is not what we should expect from any player of this stature. The guy just gets hurt over and over and over again.
<< <i>What has happened to Griffey is not what we should expect from any player of this stature >>
Actually, a sharp decline in the middle 30s is exactly what we should expect, whether from injuries, loss of ability, overall wear, or whatever, either steady or sharp decline is far more common in the mid-30s than continuing to play at a high level. Larkin and Ripken were below average hitters after 35 without injury sandwiches
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you point out that his postseason batting average nearly mirrors his regular season numbers, but consider this, batting .300 is getting a hit 3 out of 10 times up - simple math, clutch is getting those "3" hits when men are on base, when your team is down and desperately needs a baserunner, hitting a walk off homer, a double in the gap with a runner on, those 3 hits might be just 3 hits out of 10 when compared to the regular season, but anyone who watches and actually understands baseball knows exactly what clutch is, Jeter is, Big Papi is (manny isn't), Pujols is, Bonds isn't, Brett was, Molitor was, Yount was.
all .300 averages are not created equal >>
CLUTCH DOESN'T EXIST.
Clutch performances, yes; clutch players, absolutely not.
Bonds isn't clutch? So when he hit .471 in the world series with 4 HRs and had a .700 OBP, that wasn't clutch? Moron.
Given enough at bats, given a large enough sample size, EVERYONE reverts to the mean.
And yes, all .300 averages are indeed created equally.
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<< <i>
you point out that his postseason batting average nearly mirrors his regular season numbers, but consider this, batting .300 is getting a hit 3 out of 10 times up - simple math, clutch is getting those "3" hits when men are on base, when your team is down and desperately needs a baserunner, hitting a walk off homer, a double in the gap with a runner on, those 3 hits might be just 3 hits out of 10 when compared to the regular season, but anyone who watches and actually understands baseball knows exactly what clutch is, Jeter is, Big Papi is (manny isn't), Pujols is, Bonds isn't, Brett was, Molitor was, Yount was.
all .300 averages are not created equal >>
CLUTCH DOESN'T EXIST.
Clutch performances, yes; clutch players, absolutely not.
Bonds isn't clutch? So when he hit .471 in the world series with 4 HRs and had a .700 OBP, that wasn't clutch? Moron.
Given enough at bats, given a large enough sample size, EVERYONE reverts to the mean.
And yes, all .300 averages are indeed created equally. >>
Hell no bonds isn't clutch, you forget to mention that he hit around .100 his first 100 at bats in the post season - eerrrrr where was he when the braves were waxing the pirates in the playoffs (probably in the clubhouse, placing his order for roids -eerr cream) so that he could get big and strong and not be such a sorry choker.
Anyone who watched playoff baseball in the beginning of the 90's braves run, knows exactly how bad and how long Bonds Sucked!!!
i tell you what we'll take 2 identical .300 averages (3 hits out of 10 at bats), you take your .300 average obtained by getting a hit with no one on with 2 outs and being stranded, or a solo or 2 run homer when your team is down by 6 and the game is next to over, just your run of the mill .300, and i'll take mine (just 3 hits out of 10 now) when the bases are loaded, or with runners on the corners and 2 outs, or bottom of the ninth, down by a run, 2 run bomb, and then you tell me which .300 average you'd rather have
MORON
all .300 are NOT created equal, and that illustrates Clutch perfectly
<< <i>
Hell no bonds isn't clutch, you forget to mention that he hit around .100 his first 100 at bats in the post season - eerrrrr where was he when the braves were waxing the pirates in the playoffs (probably in the clubhouse, placing his order for roids -eerr cream) so that he could get big and strong and not be such a sorry choker. >>
And then the law of averages caught up to him. He's not a career .100 batter, and he's not a career .471 batter...the law of averages prove time and again that all players revert to the mean.
<< <i>Anyone who watched playoff baseball in the beginning of the 90's braves run, knows exactly how bad and how long Bonds Sucked!!! >>
And anyone who watches with a subjective mind knows that Bonds in the playoffs when he was struggling was simply an aberration.
<< <i>i tell you what we'll take 2 identical .300 averages (3 hits out of 10 at bats), you take your .300 average obtained by getting a hit with no one on with 2 outs and being stranded, or a solo or 2 run homer when your team is down by 6 and the game is next to over, just your run of the mill .300, and i'll take mine (just 3 hits out of 10 now) when the bases are loaded, or with runners on the corners and 2 outs, or bottom of the ninth, down by a run, 2 run bomb, and then you tell me which .300 average you'd rather have >>
But neither of those situations happen in real life. You're going to tell me that Jeter, batting .300 in the playoffs, got all of his hits with RISP or with 2 outs, or in close and late games? Come on now, even you cannot be that blind to think that's the case.
<< <i>all .300 are NOT created equal, and that illustrates Clutch perfectly >>
Yes, in the end, they are all indeed equal. Because there is nobody who ONLY gets his hits in close and late situations, and there is nobody who only gets his hits in less meaningful situations.
I understand, it's human nature to embrace greatness. However, we were blessed with brains that allow us to critically analyze situations that show we can actually embrace the fact that the mythology of 'clutch' is just that - a myth.
Now arguing whether Jeter is the third or fourth best shortstop on the Yankees roster is good stuff.
Carry on.
What is silly is the argument that either (a) jeter has a chance of breaking Rose's hit record or (b) mentioning Jeter in the same breath as Ted Williams.
<< <i>Arguing about whether Jeter is great is stupid. He is.
Now arguing whether Jeter is the third or fourth best shortstop on the Yankees roster is good stuff.
Carry on. >>
You have a point AND this is all really good for the Yankees of now
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Jeter is a better homerun hitter than the best DH in history
He is overrated, but that is because people rate his too highly, not because he is lacking talent
<< <i>Jeter is a better homerun hitter than the best DH in history
He is overrated, but that is because people rate his too highly, not because he is lacking talent >>
Im not sure Im following you correctly here or not BUT Jeter is NOT a better HR hitter than the best DH in history? For one example Papi is a DH and a better HR hitter...Im not sure who the BEST HR hitting DH in history is but it is not Jeter.......I dont believe Jeter is overated? He plays hard, leads by example, and hits well.
(1) Derek has more hits than any active player in all of baseball since 1996.
(2) Jetes is the 1st Yankee to have 200 or more hits in 6 different seasons.
Hail the Great Jeter!
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>Ichiro has 241 more hits than Jeter since 2001...Ichiro has only 767 fewer hits than Jeter. >>
Ichiro is not the power hitter that Jeter is though
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Anyway, what is your point? You found the ONE guy in all of baseball that produces hits at a more frequent rate per year on average. So what does that mean? Was there a debate going on between these two guys?
Ichiro has more hits then anybody since 2001 (7 years)
Jeter has mor hits then anybody since 1996 (11 years)
at this point 11 years is more impressive. Lets see if Ichiro can keep up with Jeter over the next 5 years.
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
forget it.
/walks away
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<< <i>Nobody said touting him was a fault, but to say he's going to 'demolish' Rose's hit record is delusional at best. >>
I would agree with that as I have already in the thread I think you are referring to ..... when I said "not bloody likely" when tabulating what it would take to reach Rose as far as hits go. I will say that Jeter will reach 3,500 hits if he stays relatively healthy .... and that kind of lofty total does not deserve the flak he has gotten around here for the past few years. 3,500 hits is a definate possibility for Jeter. THAT would put Jeter in 5th place ALL TIME on the hit list.
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>softparade, why don't you think Jeter would break Rose's record? Jetes loves the game and takes care of himself so I can see him playing well into his 40's as a DH or playing 1B >>
Because I weigh any possible injury factor with longevity. Sure if Derek stays healthy and plays unitl he is 43 or 44 he could reach Rose. BUT ..... and I mean BUT you would think he would be sidelined with an injury or two during that time. So .... I base my numbers on Jeter staying healthy until 39 or 40. Even if he plays past that I have a bulit in injury cushion for him. My bet would be 3,500 hits for Jeter. Anything more than that is big time gravy.
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>...I think its very unlikely either of them will pass Rose, but if you had to pick one, the smart money would be on Rodriguez. >>
and that's what makes a horserace! I'd love to see both of them pass up Charlie Hustler
As far as Jeter playing well into his 40s? Come on, that's supposed to be funny right?
By the age of 33:
Ty Cobb had 2856 hits.
And to go a little more recent:
Hank Aaron had 2618 hits.
Robin Yount had 2602.
Vada Pinson had 2453.
Stan Musial had 2418.
Jeter doesn't crack the top 10 in hits through age 33. Then again, Rose didn't either.
Jeter will get to 3000 hits, no doubt. Whether or not he has enough gas for an extra lap or two after he gets there is another story. WAAAAAYYYY too early to tell.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>I still don't know why the Yanks never moved Jeter to center and improved two positions. Seems arrogant and self defeating, but I guess I'll live with it. >>
What, and admit to your yankee fanbase that Arod is a better player than Jeter? That would never happen.
Barry Bonds won four MVP awards to finish his 30s. Since turning 40 his hits have dropped by more than half. The strikeout totals Johnson and Clemens over the past two years combine to equal only about two-thirds of what they were doing at their very best. And those are the best older players in baseball history
At age 33 Jeter has 55% of the hits Rose had in his career. Griffey reached that percentage of Aaron's homerun total at age 30 and now seems to have very little hope of surpassing him
Being a year younger with only 100 hits less Rodriguez has a likely chance of finishing his career with more hits than Jeter, especially since he is a much better hitter, thus can decline more while still being a viable Major League plaer
When Pete Rose was pursuing Ty Cobb's record, he was not very good and was doing very little to help the teams he played for. Would Derek Jeter concede to play several years like that? Maybe he can take over for Torre as a player manager in 2015
<< <i> At age 33 Jeter has 55% of the hits Rose had in his career. Griffey reached that percentage of Aaron's homerun total at age 30 and now seems to have very little hope of surpassing him
>>
Griffey is not the best example. Getting hurt and Griffey go together like peanut butter and jelly. What has happened to Griffey is not what we should expect from any player of this stature. The guy just gets hurt over and over and over again.
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<< <i>What has happened to Griffey is not what we should expect from any player of this stature >>
Actually, a sharp decline in the middle 30s is exactly what we should expect, whether from injuries, loss of ability, overall wear, or whatever, either steady or sharp decline is far more common in the mid-30s than continuing to play at a high level. Larkin and Ripken were below average hitters after 35 without injury sandwiches