NGC and Cleaned coins

ronday

A while back I had a post on the NGC boards deleted after I was chastised for asking if it were possible that NGC treated any of there coins in the grading process. Recently a fellow member of the NGC site made the following post:

Gone without a trace ?

A couple of monthÿs back I found a very ugly stain on my 1880 O. I submited the picture to the forum and many responded that this was a cleaned coin. It should not be graded by NGC because the surface was altered but they did. I sent it for appearance review. I was surprised when the coin came back with same grade but the stain on the back was gone. Apparently NGC cleaned the coin a reholdered it.
OKay, the coin looks nice. Recently I was reading some of my old posts and was surprised that the picture of the 1880 O was removed from the post. All other older posts still have there pictureÿs attached but picture of my coin is gone.

Here is the link for the posts

http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/JournalDetail.aspx?JournalEntryID=2157

http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/JournalDetail.aspx?JournalEntryID=2170

Russ

<< <i>I was surprised when the coin came back with same grade but the stain on the back was gone. Apparently NGC cleaned the coin a reholdered it. >>



This is nothing new. Both PCGS and NGC will correct a problem, if possible, on a re-grade submission.

Russ, NCNE

PerryHall

PCGS will sometimes conserve a coin and return it in a new holder.

fcloud

Maybe you should post it over there.

If they took the ugly stain away you should be thanking them not complaining.

woodwalker

Sounds like they fixed the problem.

SirAnthonyAC

Hi,

I think it's okay for them to remove a spot because... I see a difference between “cleaning” vs. “conserving/dipping”.

If a coin was “cleaned” there would be marks, hairlines, or the coin might look like dull silver but without any dirt or toning and sill have fine details… in other words, far too clean looking to have that much ware on it.

If the coin is MS and a spot is removed with acetone or the coin had PVC on it and that was removed with acetone or the coin’s natural luster was preserved with a quick dip that’s not “cleaning” if you can’t tell it was cleaned… IMHO.

I know others will say “anything that changes the coin is cleaning” but… honestly, if they purchased a 100 Morgans and all had been tapped in place on a sheet of paper… could anyone honestly say… “I’m going to leave them that way”?

If you leave them on your window sill and they gain a sweet golden tone… does that tone have to be stripped off with dip because they didn’t tone accidentally?

Anyways… if they spot is gone, and you cannot tell there ever was spot, then I think it’s okay.

ricko

Send them a 'thank you' note and move on... Cheers, RickO

TwoSides2aCoin

I don't go across the street and do not read it. But tell them I still love them

RareBronzeCollector

<< <i>Send them a 'thank you' note and move on... Cheers, RickO >>

Coxe

I had a half cent (already in the NGC plastic) that I found a tiny bit of PVC on it. Gave it to them at Long Beach where they accepted it for conservation. It came back in the NGC holder with the NGC tag with PVC gone. They did what I couldn't, dipped it in acetone and reholdered at the same grade. That was pretty responsible IMO and was all done through an established protocol.

GrumpyEd

I have heard that PCGS, NGC and ANACs all will do the same. I think it's a good thing and doesn't count as cleaning.

My guess was that the graders used gloves but might have touched their skin and got oil on the gloves then if they touched the coin it caused a stain so a quick dip in solvent or? easily gets it off.