<< <i>If Jon's information is true, my question is aobut the whole slab being pictured. With size limitations, it can make the coin not be a good enough picture. Therefore, I'd want to have a free slab picture along with the normal one free one.
The way I do it now is to crop the insert and put it over the obverse picture. It ends up reducing the size of the picture a bit, but nowhere near as much if I have to do the whole slab. >>
I believe they should have a free "slab" picture along with the regular coin picture. The option to upload the free slab image should only be activated if the coin is marked as "certified" in the details. If they implemented this, it would solve the extra photo fee problems and give sellers another photo of the coin they are selling for free.
So what is so friggin' great about it? and no, I DON'T sell third world slabs. Nowhere does it say that self-slabbers can't peddle their wares--only that they can't call the coin certified. Most of the sellers I have seen don't call them certified coins now--merely graded by XYG grading company. Even if Ebay decides to include graded as well as certified it only means that the seller can't refer to the slab grade in the title--nothing says they can't in the body of the discription.
I just don't see how this helps. Of course, I don't see how making a seller show a pic of the slab helps me either. I already know what a slab looks like...I WANT TO SEE THE COIN!!!
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical. >>
Yes, and ICCS often crosses well to PCGS..... Which speaks well for it......
<< <i>So, coinsomniac on was to something last night.
Jerry >>
Maybe what he was on was CCE. Jon posted:
"I can not confirm nor deny... it was posted on CCE just a few minutes ago"
So, my question is, what is CCE, and can anyone post? >>
I am not aware of CCE. If this is indeed true, I certainly had no idea that it would be announced this soon. It just seemed like a logical progression after disallowing numerical grades on non slabbed coins.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
How could there be lawsuits? Ebay runs their own show, they can allow or prohibit as they see fit. They could say no slabbed coins at all if they really wanted to. If true, they are taking a cut in profits to make their online market a "safer" place. Kudos to them if so.
If this is true this is the first gutsy move eBay has made to really do something to firm up their market for coins. I couldn't be happier.
While it may cost them in the short term it will help them make money long term. People were moving away from eBay because of all the scams and they must have seen that trend. I sure hope it is true.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
Ebay will squash them if they try. >>
Don't be so sure. There are several lawyers that specialize in numismatic cases that could probably give eBay some real trouble. Have eBay's policies been carefully thought through by people who are knowledgeable about numismatics?
This doesn't suprise me. Every time I've spoken to my Trust and Safety Rep over the last month he took the conversation here and quizzed me for names of reputable graders and garage graders. --Jerry
SEGS and PCI might be minor casualties in this but worthwhile sacrifices as the market doesn't value them in the same league as the ordained "certified" coins anyway. What will happen now? SGS will remain in the title and the primary image with proudly show an SGS slab with the tag with grade -- no violation whatsoever. Might reduce the search hits, but there will probably still be enough stupid bidding once they are found.
Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue.
<< <i>If this is true, it's yet another example of well-intentioned policy implemented wrongly by Ebay. PCI? SEGS? Pre-PCI Hallmark? While not necessarily "top tier", these companies are reputable, unlike the self-slabbers... >>
<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical. >>
yup, ICCS is generally SUPER conservative and well respected. Most former ICCS coins that i've submitted to NGC and PCGS not only crossed, but upgraded at both services. There are usually quite a lot of ICCS graded coins, hopefully this won't change.
<< <i>SEGS and PCI might be minor casualties in this but worthwhile sacrifices as the market doesn't value them in the same league as the ordained "certified" coins anyway. What will happen now? SGS will remain in the title and the primary image with proudly show an SGS slab with the tag with grade -- no violation whatsoever. Might reduce the search hits, but there will probably still be enough stupid bidding once they are found.
Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue. >>
Check out aboncom's current "Close AM" listing on Ebay for the answer to your question.
<< <i>SEGS and PCI might be minor casualties in this but worthwhile sacrifices as the market doesn't value them in the same league as the ordained "certified" coins anyway. What will happen now? SGS will remain in the title and the primary image with proudly show an SGS slab with the tag with grade -- no violation whatsoever. Might reduce the search hits, but there will probably still be enough stupid bidding once they are found.
Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue. >>
Check out aboncom's current "Close AM" listing on Ebay for the answer to your question. >>
Wow!!! What will I do with all my free time now. I have been writting ebay a lot on this as it just wastes my time. I can now look at coins and sellers I want to buy from. The other topic I write to them about is they should make it mandatotry to state NO RETURNS or RETURNS ACCEPTED and policy. That with the ability to eliminate those sellers in a search who do not offer a return. I also write to ask them to change search to include or eliminate a seller by name search ex: bust half seller A seller D -seller B -seller C
This is very good news for sellers of PCGS, NGC, NCI and ANACS coins. But you have to remember that it only applies to using the numerical grade in the title. Very simple and straightforward. The third tier slabs, cleaned coins and counterfeits will still find their way in, just not in the tiltle with a numerical grade.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
How could there be lawsuits? Ebay runs their own show, they can allow or prohibit as they see fit. They could say no slabbed coins at all if they really wanted to. If true, they are taking a cut in profits to make their online market a "safer" place. Kudos to them if so. >>
One has to wonder how the Law of Unintended Consequences will apply in this (potential) change.
Not that I'm unhappy, mind you... It's just that every action to outfox the scammers is met by yet-unthought-of circumventions by the same, often creating new problems or magnifying old ones.
In other words, what'll they think of next?
But what the heck, it's a start - and a good one. Prices realized for ANACS plastic especially will probably increase.
DID the ANA finally have to Sue Ebay for Fraudulent "certified" coins for Ebay to consider this Historic Change and resultant deprevation of thier bottom line revenues ...
Ebay would not want a suit to be public knowledge of course ... just a thought ...
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
It's eBay's house, and they do as they damn well please. That being said, if this is story is true, eBay has finally taken action to clean up the mess they themselves caused. No one's going to sue successfully over this.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
Ebay will squash them if they try. >>
Don't be so sure. There are several lawyers that specialize in numismatic cases that could probably give eBay some real trouble. Have eBay's policies been carefully thought through by people who are knowledgeable about numismatics? >>
Yeah, and Scumbags always think their above the law. I don't see any trouble for eBay at all here.
I do not believe that there will be too many lawsuits for ebay. If they make a rule saying "you have to use grading company XYZ. If you do not want to use company XYZ, please go somewhere else to sell your merchandise." How can you bring a lawsuit against them. "Your Honor, we don't want to follow the rules and it just isnt fair!" It's pretty cut and dry. Either play by the rules or go home.
J.Cordeiro "I has a bucket." - Minazo. Minazo the LOLRUS, 1994-2005
(if true), I am not so sure that this will cost Ebay money in the long run. I have noticed a large decrease in the number of high Dollar, top tier TPG coins sold at auction on Ebay recently. The homemade slabs really cluttered up the system, particularly the Featured coin section. For the buy the coin, not the plastic folks, that is true in person, but not nearly so easy online. I can not evaluate luster, hairlines and light wear consistently from scans.
One can still sell their raw and homebrew slabs on Ebay. They just cannot promote pie in the sky bogus grading in the title.
Now if they could just get those "Tribute Proof" "coins" out of the coin category. I love looking for 1893-S Morgans and getting 25 of those copies showing up....
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Now if they could just get those "Tribute Proof" "coins" out of the coin category. I love looking for 1893-S Morgans and getting 25 of those copies showing up.... >>
I love the 1909-S VDB search. They have 10 featured hoards stating "1909-S VDB's found".
Edit to add: Wow, I just searched and it looks like they cleaned a lot of that up. Good for you, Ebay.
And next it will be, "Only inspected cars can be sold" and, "No item that hurts the environment" and, "No ad can say Antique unless they have proof that it is", and "No firearms or firearm part" - oops they already have that rule.
Business' should stay out of politics. I wonder if some of the TPGs weren't behind the scene's on this one.
We all know what happens when freedoms are restricted. There is no midway, it is all or none. I choose the lesser of the evils, none.
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<< <i>i thought SEGS was pretty reputable >>
Man I hope you are kidding. If not I have some MS 67's I will sell you for 66 money right now.
<< <i>If Jon's information is true, my question is aobut the whole slab being pictured. With size limitations, it can make the coin not be a good enough picture. Therefore, I'd want to have a free slab picture along with the normal one free one.
The way I do it now is to crop the insert and put it over the obverse picture. It ends up reducing the size of the picture a bit, but nowhere near as much if I have to do the whole slab. >>
I believe they should have a free "slab" picture along with the regular coin picture. The option to upload the free slab image should only be activated if the coin is marked as "certified" in the details. If they implemented this, it would solve the extra photo fee problems and give sellers another photo of the coin they are selling for free.
Ya-ba-da-ba-doo!!!!!
I just don't see how this helps. Of course, I don't see how making a seller show a pic of the slab helps me either. I already know what a slab looks like...I WANT TO SEE THE COIN!!!
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CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's
Post o' the day...
<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical. >>
Yes, and ICCS often crosses well to PCGS..... Which speaks well for it......
<< <i>So, coinsomniac on was to something last night.
Jerry >>
Maybe what he was on was CCE. Jon posted:
"I can not confirm nor deny... it was posted on CCE just a few minutes ago"
So, my question is, what is CCE, and can anyone post?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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<< <i>So, coinsomniac on was to something last night.
Jerry >>
Maybe what he was on was CCE. Jon posted:
"I can not confirm nor deny... it was posted on CCE just a few minutes ago"
So, my question is, what is CCE, and can anyone post? >>
I am not aware of CCE. If this is indeed true, I certainly had no idea that it would be announced this soon. It just seemed like a logical progression after disallowing numerical grades on non slabbed coins.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
How could there be lawsuits? Ebay runs their own show, they can allow or prohibit as they see fit. They could say no slabbed coins at all if they really wanted to. If true, they are taking a cut in profits to make their online market a "safer" place. Kudos to them if so.
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
Ebay will squash them if they try.
While it may cost them in the short term it will help them make money long term. People were moving away from eBay because of all the scams and they must have seen that trend. I sure hope it is true.
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<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
Ebay will squash them if they try. >>
Don't be so sure. There are several lawyers that specialize in numismatic cases that could probably give eBay some real trouble. Have eBay's policies been carefully thought through by people who are knowledgeable about numismatics?
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Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue.
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PCI? SEGS? Pre-PCI Hallmark?
While not necessarily "top tier", these companies are reputable, unlike the self-slabbers...
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<< <i>If this is true, it's yet another example of well-intentioned policy implemented wrongly by Ebay. PCI? SEGS? Pre-PCI Hallmark? While not necessarily "top tier", these companies are reputable, unlike the self-slabbers... >>
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<< <i>How about ICCS which specializes in Canadian coins and
CNG which is based in Great Britain which specializes in GB coins (which are often misattributed by the TPG's) ????
both are fairly respected as TPG's >>
That was my first thought as well. ICCS is well respected, known for conservative grading, and even has a relationship with pcgs. It's THE Canadian coin service. Something about this news doesn't add up. I'm skeptical. >>
yup, ICCS is generally SUPER conservative and well respected. Most former ICCS coins that i've submitted to NGC and PCGS not only crossed, but upgraded at both services. There are usually quite a lot of ICCS graded coins, hopefully this won't change.
Will this cut the mustard....
1909-S VDB Graded by PGCS in MS
Graded, not 'Certified', which it was, as bogus as it might be.
MS, but not MSXX. Coin might really be in mint state, so that might not be a lie.
Also, we're just talking about the title here. All the BS can still be provided in the copy body.
I guess if eBay lists the approved TPG, then bidders can determine if the slabs are from reputable companies or not.
<< <i>SEGS and PCI might be minor casualties in this but worthwhile sacrifices as the market doesn't value them in the same league as the ordained "certified" coins anyway. What will happen now? SGS will remain in the title and the primary image with proudly show an SGS slab with the tag with grade -- no violation whatsoever. Might reduce the search hits, but there will probably still be enough stupid bidding once they are found.
Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue. >>
Check out aboncom's current "Close AM" listing on Ebay for the answer to your question.
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<< <i>SEGS and PCI might be minor casualties in this but worthwhile sacrifices as the market doesn't value them in the same league as the ordained "certified" coins anyway. What will happen now? SGS will remain in the title and the primary image with proudly show an SGS slab with the tag with grade -- no violation whatsoever. Might reduce the search hits, but there will probably still be enough stupid bidding once they are found.
Hager might be pissed and might not be able to wrangle anything legal out of eBay. He couldn't afford the lawyers to fight them anyway I am sure. But be careful what you say as he apparently has no problem suing peons with no significant stake in the issue. >>
Check out aboncom's current "Close AM" listing on Ebay for the answer to your question. >>
that guys an idiot and con artist, nothing more.
"If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around to hear it. Am I still wrong?"
<< <i>Sounds like they are finally getting the message! >>
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
Now only if we can get Fleebay to do this with graded sportscards!!!!!!!!!!! The world would be a happier place.
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<< <i>I hope this isn't true. It creates the impression that you can rely on all of the allowed TPGs, which simply isn't true. >>
Andy,
I agree there is still a considerable disparity between the "acceptable" ebay TPGs!
Rob
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<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
How could there be lawsuits? Ebay runs their own show, they can allow or prohibit as they see fit. They could say no slabbed coins at all if they really wanted to. If true, they are taking a cut in profits to make their online market a "safer" place. Kudos to them if so. >>
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Not that I'm unhappy, mind you... It's just that every action to outfox the scammers is met by yet-unthought-of circumventions by the same, often creating new problems or magnifying old ones.
In other words, what'll they think of next?
But what the heck, it's a start - and a good one. Prices realized for ANACS plastic especially will probably increase.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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Russ, NCNE >>
Ever the skeptic, eh Russ?
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and resultant deprevation of thier bottom line revenues ...
Ebay would not want a suit to be public knowledge of course ...
just a thought ...
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
It's eBay's house, and they do as they damn well please. That being said, if this is story is true, eBay has finally taken
action to clean up the mess they themselves caused. No one's going to sue successfully over this.
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<< <i>
<< <i>This could, if true, make for some very interesting lawsuits. Numismatics has no generally accepted grading standard. >>
Ebay will squash them if they try. >>
Don't be so sure. There are several lawyers that specialize in numismatic cases that could probably give eBay some real trouble. Have eBay's policies been carefully thought through by people who are knowledgeable about numismatics? >>
Yeah, and Scumbags always think their above the law. I don't see any trouble for eBay at all here.
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How can you bring a lawsuit against them. "Your Honor, we don't want to follow the rules and it just isnt fair!"
It's pretty cut and dry. Either play by the rules or go home.
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trying to sell raw coins. As long as you have decent pics, a return policy, good feed back, and an accurate description
the coins will sell. I'm going to sell several spouse coins this coming fall with detailed pics. Excellent pics speak for themselves.
In the description I have no problem calling this AA coin a 69, with a shot at 70.
<< <i>I started a thread on ebay, and some are concerned with the casual seller
trying to sell raw coins. As long as you have decent pics, a return policy, good feed back, and an accurate description
the coins will sell. I'm going to sell several spouse coins this coming fall with detailed pics. Excellent pics speak for themselves.
In the description I have no problem calling this AA coin a 69, with a shot at 70.
"Excellent pics speak for themselves."
One can still sell their raw and homebrew slabs on Ebay. They just cannot promote pie in the sky bogus grading in the title.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Now if they could just get those "Tribute Proof" "coins" out of the coin category. I love looking for 1893-S Morgans and getting 25 of those copies showing up.... >>
I love the 1909-S VDB search. They have 10 featured hoards stating "1909-S VDB's found".
Edit to add: Wow, I just searched and it looks like they cleaned a lot of that up. Good for you, Ebay.
Business' should stay out of politics. I wonder if some of the TPGs weren't behind the scene's on this one.
We all know what happens when freedoms are restricted. There is no midway, it is all or none. I choose the lesser of the evils, none.