Which coin do you like better?

RedneckHB

ddbird

Same coin

TomB

I vote same coin, too.

ricko

Looking at marks and highlights.. they are the same coin, different lighting. Cheers, RickO

mgoodm3

both of them.

ddbird

The dot to the right of the S in "Trust" gave it away...other than that it was a toughie.

guitarwes

I'm with the gang on this one.....same coin.

But #2 would obviously be my choice if they were different of course.

what about that crater on Mr. L's cheek?

commoncents05

I can say for a fact they are not the same coin. I don't want to ruin Dave's thread, so I won't say why I know. That being said, I prefer #2

-Paul

ziggy29

<< <i>I can say for a fact they are not the same coin. I don't want to ruin Dave's thread, so I won't say why I know. That being said, I prefer #2 >>

I saw what you originally wrote, but I won't quote it but merely ask...you're sure this wasn't some kind of a resubmission of the same coin?

commoncents05

<< <i> I saw what you originally wrote, but I won't quote it but merely ask...you're sure this wasn't some kind of a resubmission of the same coin? >>



Yes, I'm sure.

-Paul

RedneckHB

You guys are getting good.

The first coin was graded PCGS 64BN back in Oct. and sold for $33. The second coin is now graded 63 BN by NGC. It shows a sale of $220 on TT but evidently that sale didnt stick or perhaps it just didnt meet the reserve as it is again offered in the upcoming Apr 30 TT sale. It is possible that the coin was bid on by the consignor and he got stuck and is reoffering on TT.

Paul, please clue me in if they are not the same coin.

commoncents05

I found the coins on TT, and originally posted, but didn't want to ruin your thread. It's conclusive that these aren't the same coins because the PCGS (#1) example sold in October, and the Rainbow is in an old NGC holder. Since they can't cross to an old holder, they aren't the same coin.

-Paul

RedneckHB

<< <i>I found the coins on TT, and originally posted, but didn't want to ruin your thread. It's conclusive that these aren't the same coins because the PCGS (#1) example sold in October, and the Rainbow is in an old NGC holder. Since they can't cross to an old holder, they aren't the same coin.

-Paul >>



Paul, Are you sure it is an old holder?

commoncents05

If you look at the picture of the slab, and compare it to Conder101's post on the Generations of NGC slabs, it appears to be an NGC 7, which according to Conder, "was used from 1997 through Aug 2000, and then from Oct 2000 through Aug 2001." Here's a Link to his thread.

-Paul

shylock

GoldenEyeNumismatics

did you really think you could fool us?

shylock

Same coin.

IGWT

<< <i>Same coin. >>



What markers are you looking at?

shylock

What markers are you looking at

IGWT

Even with your prompts (thanks), this one is just too close for me to call with confidence.

BECOKA

Too close for me, I agree with shylocks marks though and picked a couple of those myself so I would err on the side of the same coin.

Now a bigger question, what kind of lighting would get the first pic and what kind of lighting would get the second one? I want brands and wattage.

ziggy29

<< <i>Now a bigger question, what kind of lighting would get the first pic and what kind of lighting would get the second one? >>

More like "what kind of image doctoring software."

shylock

IGWT - agreed, this is a tough call. But I'm convinced by the rim spots above WE and R of TRUST.

The more I look at the two images the more I find other markers.

The spot below the Y of LIBERTY that almost touches Lincoln's jacket.
And the spot just below the T and Y of LIBERTY.

RedneckHB

What of the information that commoncents Paul has provided, that the colored coin is in an older NGC holder and the other coin was recently sold in a PCGS holder?

OneCent

The two coins are eerily similar to one another. I believe that they are not the same coin as there is a gash on the obverse of the toner that doesn't appear to be on the non-toned coin.

If they are the same coin, well then whoever pulled it off is good. Very, very, very good.

keets

absolutely not the same coin.

the first coin is in a newer PCGS holder from the last year or so.

the second coin is in an older NGC holder.

since TeleTrade has the coin(s) on consignment in their physical possession how could the ages of the holders possibly move in reverse historical order?? that is to say how could the coin be sold in Oct. 2006 in a recent PCGS holder and then appear six months later in an even older NGC holder??? in order to be in the new PCGS holder in October 2006 it would have had to be out of the old NGC holder, so it couldn't be listed in that holder in April 2007. remember, TeleTrade has the coin(s) in their Physical possession, right??!!!??

it is not the same coin.

commoncents05

Thanks keets for saying what I was trying to say in a clearer way. They are definitely not the same coin.

-Paul

dtkk49a

They are not the same coin. Compare the E in ONE on the reverse.

bennybravo

The second one.

ddbird

I dont know...

The spot Next to s in "Trust" can clearly be seen on both coins.





This same spot shows up on the other...exact spot

keets

give it up already.

given all the different "diagnostics" that everyone's pointed out i find it strange that noone's been able to agree on all of them and everyone points out different ones. the identifiers may look similar and be in close proximlty on each coin, but given the auction links and the holders it's impossible that they can be the same coin. unless, of course, TeleTrade is involved in some elaborate scam. i doubt that.

clw54

I'm really skeptical about those colors.

Numismanic

<< <i>I'm really skeptical about those colors. >>

clw54

It should be graded MS6X RGPBO.

Red Green Purple Blue Orange.

Type2

Same coin the sock on his cheek looks the same, it the same coin.

keets

just for fun, start looking at the two coins and pointing out things that look different on each one.

ajia

Back to the original question, I actually like #1 better.

goose3

<< <i>just for fun, start looking at the two coins and pointing out things that look different on each one. >>




that's easy. The holders.

66RB

I like #1 better. #2 is too splotchy and radioactive looking for my tastes.

As far as being the same coin or different....really a tough call. I see some markers that don't match at all, and others that are similar.

I would feel much more comfortable examining the NGC coin in hand, in particular the NGC slab For if there are shenanigans going on, the NGC holder would be able to tell us about it.

The only way these can be the same coin is if the NGC slab has been cracked and resealed.

WaterSport

They both have the identical date!

But I like # 1 better. that toning on # 2 is justa little to whacked out for me to like.

WS

RedneckHB

This has been an interesting thread. Sometimes we see what we want to see.

mgoodm3

Whatever the case is as to whether or not they are the same coin, I can easily produce a similar effect with the same coin and different lighting.

bushmaster8

The doctored coin (#2) has 2 hits on the upright of the E on ONE, that are not apparent on coin #1.

OneCent

Is that the consensus view, that coin #2 is doctored? I've seen other Lincoln Wheats on Teletrade that were very similarily toned and they brought 10 - 20x multiples of their value.

This link contains the coin that I had in mind, but the picture is gone:

1954S Peacack Toned Lincoln

keets

Whatever the case is as to whether or not they are the same coin, I can easily produce a similar effect with the same coin and different lighting.

Mark, the "case" is that they aren't the same coin and i doubt any type of lighting will make either coin look like the other. perhaps manipulation of the picture can do that but they don't look like each other because they aren't the same coin, plain and simple. despite the links i provided and the explanation first given by commoncents05 in the eleventh reply to the OP, many still believe they're the same coin. it's absurd. what's even worse is that after so many have stated with certainty that it's the same coin in both pictures nobody has been forthright enough to admit that they were wrong!!!!

expert texpert, choking smoker
don't you know the joker laughs at you??

i think that's what the Beatles said.....................

shylock

cohodk - This has been an interesting thread. Sometimes we see what we want to see.

I confess I looked at this one for too long, and saw what I wanted to see. One of the major pratfalls
of authenticating a coin by its image is wanting it to be what you think it is. It's a great lesson for myself
(which I've already learned many times over by previous mistakes) as well as everyone else on the forum.

Now that Keets has made the chronology clear, and no doubt both images are from those sales he posted,
I humbly say I have duped myself again. And am hopefully a smarter coin detective as a result.

Edscoin

Could it be two different coins struck by the same dies just a few coins apart? Just a thought!

OneCent

Here is the coin that has a similar reverse toning pattern as the 1916 that is shown in the OP.