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Milk spots OK on MS69's??

bouchardaboucharda Posts: 2,941
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Soooo.. I understand the logic of no MS70 grades for SAE's but are milk spots OK on MS69's??? If not then they shouldn't grade them at all image

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    why can't this annoyance be fixed!!??


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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭
    Depends on if the MilkSpots occur Before OR After they are slabbed........



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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    Milk spots and MS69 should never be used in the same sentence.

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    This cannot be stopped until the mint uses a different rinse on the coins.

    PCGS will not put a coin in the holder if it has spots. Most likely spots form post slabbing.

    And no an MS69 should not have spots.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Slabbed coins that milk spot are eligible for a spot review and a down-grade and the question is perfectly valid, why grade them at all?

    I guess the answer is that some of the coins, for whatever reason, do not milk spot and it is impossible to tell which ones will and which ones won't. So the only way for PCGS to minimize the costs associated with their grading guarantee is to just not grade any of the SAE's as 70's.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Although I have seen milk spots depicted here.. and on 'in-hand' coins at shows, I have been very fortunate with my own coins. I have NO milkspots.. and I have no idea whether this is the luck of the draw, or some other, unknown happenstance. Cheers, RickO
  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>Although I have seen milk spots depicted here.. and on 'in-hand' coins at shows, I have been very fortunate with my own coins. I have NO milkspots.. and I have no idea whether this is the luck of the draw, or some other, unknown happenstance. Cheers, RickO >>


    Alot of people consider humidity to be a factor in how soon mik spotting occurs. Anything over 30% seems to accelerate the issue.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have had silver eagles in Florida and here in Seattle.... for years and years... and still no spots. Cheers, RickO
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I have had hundreds of silver eagles and about 75% of them got some spots of some sort. Some worst than others and you have to look pretty close to see the smaller spots.

    It is really difficult to maintain a spot free collection. So far 1986-2002 are good and I am waiting to see how the newer ones hold out. I have already replaced the 2004-6 twice.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They probably slab 69s because the grade guarantee on a 69 isn't a big deal. The grade guarantee on a 70, however, is a big deal.
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  • Coll3ctorColl3ctor Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭
    I have several 2006 PCGS MS69 silver eagles with milk spots. Some are hard to see unless you have the right light and tilt.
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there any way to protect an unspotted SAE from spotting?

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there any way to protect an unspotted SAE from spotting? >>



    Dip it in acetone for a bit. I don't think you will see spotting. Make sure you rinse the acetone with something that won't make it spot again.

    Edited: Acetone won't remove the spots, its just a preventative measure.
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    You mean like this?image

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would it make more sense to collect MS ASEs in OGP, DirectFit AirTites or slips as opposed to MS69 slabs? If you're not going for NGC 70s, it seems you would never have to worry about spots.
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Milk spots and MS69 should never be used in the same sentence. >>



    How about obverse "hits" with complete lack of any luster on reverse AND MS 68 used in the same sentence? image
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  • bouchardaboucharda Posts: 2,941


    << <i>They probably slab 69s because the grade guarantee on a 69 isn't a big deal. The grade guarantee on a 70, however, is a big deal. >>



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  • JSssonJSsson Posts: 891 ✭
    I agree that there shouldn't be any milk spots on any Silver Eagles, or any coin that is graded MS69 or MS70, but I have seen more than a few MS69 graded Silver Eagles that have a few milk spots on the coin's surfaces.

    Does anybody know if those milk spots appear after the coin has been graded and placed in the holder, or were they already there before the coins were graded? What do the experts use to get rid of those milk spots?
  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    JS. Do a search on "milk spots" on these boards and you'll find lot's of interesting threads. I spent over an hour perusing them today. It seems that milk spotting of ASEs is ubiquitious, but even more so when the coins are slabbed!
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  • ShutterlifeShutterlife Posts: 62
    no ms70, but what about FS pr70dcam 20th anniversary
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I believe the milkspot problem is only with MS coins.
  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>I believe the milkspot problem is only with MS coins. >>


    ASE proofs and reverse proofs get them as well. PCGS has been succesful removing them from those.
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  • notlogicalnotlogical Posts: 2,235 ✭


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    << <i>I believe the milkspot problem is only with MS coins. >>


    ASE proofs and reverse proofs get them as well. PCGS has been succesful removing them from those. >>



    Then those aren't milk spots. Milk spots are "in" the surface of the coin, not on it and cannot be removed.
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I believe the milkspot problem is only with MS coins. >>


    ASE proofs and reverse proofs get them as well. PCGS has been succesful removing them from those. >>



    Then those aren't milk spots. Milk spots are "in" the surface of the coin, not on it and cannot be removed. >>


    Well they look like 'milk spots' to me.-

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HRH was the one that wrote PCGS has been more successful removing milkspots from proofs in a post here.
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>HRH was the one that wrote PCGS has been more successful removing milkspots from proofs in a post here. >>


    Yep, from this thread.
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