<< <i>Maybe you guys can beat this dead horse some more....I recall a few people rippin' me for my comments about not buying into these 'rips".
Thank God, i didn't get screwed. >>
Carew29 Im also thankfull the last time you thought you got screwed you went on a rampage about mintstate on these boards and got yourself banned from the board and had MintState's lawyers on your case
<< <i>sure gumby fan ill dig them out now. but if someone does the math i won the 87 fleer wrappers march 1st the day the packs were sent out so obviously i havent even recieved those wrappers yet but of coursethat does not matter >>
Here is what's pissing me off. What the @%#$! would a dealer of unopened wax boxes/packs be buying wax wrappers???? >>
What conspiracy theories? You lied about making $ of the box breaks, you lied about where you got some of the boxes from, and you haven't explained your actions on at least 3 other occasions? Your reputation is ruined on these boards (and nearly every other hobby board, since most of us here are members of at least a few other boards, and who will gladly warn everyone shoudl you show up), your reputation is ruined in the hobby, and your reputation was already toast on eBay. I hope those beer bong sales are going well for you, since that's all you'll be able to sell from this point out.
Anyone know if it's possible to reseal a beer bong?
<< <i>stown i dont care what you believe I have come clean and really dont care what you or anyone else belives anymore. I feel beeter now that the truth is out there i fell better and can watch guys like you just keep up with the conspiracy theories because no matter what i say you will come up with something else because you want to believe in something so bad. stown are you this passionat about your collection >>
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that 'greed' -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.
"It's all about the bucks kid, the rest is conversation."
#LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
I don't fault anyone trying to make $. Lord knows Steve was making some good $ on the box and case sales, and I'm glad he was. But when you say "I'm not making any $ off of it", then gleefully admit that you were, you are nothing but a rat-faced liar.
<< <i>Gordon Gecko:
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that 'greed' -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. >>
Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game.
I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy! Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Right on Greg
That's why I answered Julen that this is NOT just about money - the reports - on bad packs - are very compelling.
<< <i>Second, the tone - there is not a hint of contrition that I can see. >>
Exactly, Stone. Not even one "i'm sorry." What a piece of work.
Knowing absolutely nothing about the rips except what ive read on the board, i think 80'sjunkie did the following:
-Participated and helped orchestrate the 75 rip with zef. That rip, i believe, was legit. -After this rip, the thought came into his head that 1.) I can make money out of this and 2.) I can have fun while doing it. -He doesnt appear to be the brightest guy in the world with his fragmented responses and difficult to follow logic, but i believe he realized that a full blown fraud would be bad. So, how would he get his money? -He would do as he stated in his first post...earn money as a middleman. Is there shame in this? Yes. Because everyone trusted the price he provided as the actual realizable price of the boxes. As stated many times above, he came into this venture as an honest individual only doing the legwork (which isnt much, with the exception of the 75 case rip) to participate in a fun exercise. Someone made arguments above about how we shouldnt fault the guy for trying to make a dollar. Well, as someone correctlt stated, he did that under false pretenses. -Now, the above is fact. These latter points are only speculation. -I think he resealed a random number of boxes. I dont think he did a full blown reseal. No one is that stupid. No criminal is dumb enough to post his personal information on ebay and do something so outrageous. -He probably did a pack here...and box there. Hence, this explains his ebay activity and the fact that a few board members did receive top cards from the bust. -In sum, he made money as a middleman by buying boxes at a cheaper price than what was stated to the board members. And he randomly searched packs and boxes.
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past...
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I feel bad for those that were part of the rips and I hope you hear the truth or get satisfaction over this one day.
Mark
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
You guys are taking this better than I would be if I had participated in a group rip. For one, this guy and his IP address should be blocked from the board. Second, he should have his membership (if he has one) blocked unless/until he provides a full refund to everyone who participated. This is a sad day for the hobby. It's guys like this that ruin the hobby for innocent collectors.
<< <i>Just so to be fair, I made a profit on the 1980s Topps rip I organized.
I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet.
I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested. >>
As long as you didn't take all the Hendersons out of the packs before shipping them and replace them with commons I think you earned your $7 + bubble wrap
As others have said... this is a mea culpa to unethical behavior to draw attention away from his criminal behavior... do not fall for this very sorry act.
Gary, word to the wise... just go away and get plastic surgery... God knows what would happen if you were spotted at a card show... any time, any place, in days, weeks or years all I know is that you will get what's yours... God never sleeps.
<< <i>Second, the tone - there is not a hint of contrition that I can see. >>
Exactly, Stone. Not even one "i'm sorry." What a piece of work.
Knowing absolutely nothing about the rips except what ive read on the board, i think 80'sjunkie did the following:
-Participated and helped orchestrate the 75 rip with zef. That rip, i believe, was legit. -After this rip, the thought came into his head that 1.) I can make money out of this and 2.) I can have fun while doing it. -He doesnt appear to be the brightest guy in the world with his fragmented responses and difficult to follow logic, but i believe he realized that a full blown fraud would be bad. So, how would he get his money? -He would do as he stated in his first post...earn money as a middleman. Is there shame in this? Yes. Because everyone trusted the price he provided as the actual realizable price of the boxes. As stated many times above, he came into this venture as an honest individual only doing the legwork (which isnt much, with the exception of the 75 case rip) to participate in a fun exercise. Someone made arguments above about how we shouldnt fault the guy for trying to make a dollar. Well, as someone correctlt stated, he did that under false pretenses. -Now, the above is fact. These latter points are only speculation. -I think he resealed a random number of boxes. I dont think he did a full blown reseal. No one is that stupid. No criminal is dumb enough to post his personal information on ebay and do something so outrageous. -He probably did a pack here...and box there. Hence, this explains his ebay activity and the fact that a few board members did receive top cards from the bust. -In sum, he made money as a middleman by buying boxes at a cheaper price than what was stated to the board members. And he randomly searched packs and boxes. >>
Major,
I believe his intent was much more sinister. The 75 case break was legit because he wasn't trusted with it. Steve shipped it much to Garys displeasure IIRC. He was also a member of the hockey rip I ran back in Sep-Oct 06. Not sure if he was in on AJW's rip before that.
I say this guy came here with one thing in mind and that was dumping the junk product he owned. He kept Steve's legit product and sent out his crap. He came in with his own well doing his ONLY concern. He knew he bought crap and this was his golden parachute if you will to dump it. Damn! Not only dump it but get it replaced with Steve's good product. All at our expense. He played us from day 1.
Con artist, thief, criminal, Gary Daggett. All the same.
"Just so to be fair, I made a profit on the 1980s Topps rip I organized. I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet. I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested. "
Obviously, nobody has a problem with that kind of "profit."
However, in my view, the organizer/instigator of future breaks needs to understand that there is "no profit" to be made. In fact, it may cost them some time, LD phone-calls, etc.
If BBCE is accepting the money and shipping the merch, all the organizer has to do is assign a project-number to each participant. The participants pay BBCE directly; when the pot is right, BBCE ships the merch.
I do LOTS of "community buying" projects (not cards). Sometimes I organize them, sometimes not; whoever is putting them together, does the work and does NOT make a profit.
The profit issue in this case, is a red-herring. The real issues are far more serious.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
"U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.
If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can’t require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.
Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction."
If any of you ever have a problem with a seller that uses the USPS to rip you off, there's even a form on their website where you can file a complaint. It may or may not work, but I thought I'd share it after mentioning it another thread last night. Again, not saying you should file. I am, however, pointing that times like this is a good time to remind people to use extra caution and that there are resources to help if you're ever ripped off. There are a lot of people making money off innocent people out there. We ned to all do our part to clean the hobby.
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past... >>
Since Gary hasn't sold any of these yet, he should still have these exact cards as pictured in these lots that he purchased.
Why not scan them, especially the ones that are easy to distinguish from the ebay picture being OC? Shows us the cards Gary? Or did they already get re-sealed and sent out to those of us involved in the football rip??
Hmmmmmmmmm..
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Ok you want the truth ? Can you handle the truth? No I did not tamper with search reseal or mess with any of the packs in any way.
What a crock of chit!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past... >>
Since Gary hasn't sold any of these yet, he should still have these exact cards as pictured in these lots that he purchased.
Why not scan them, especially the ones that are easy to distinguish from the ebay picture being OC? Shows us the cards Gary? Or did they already get re-sealed and sent out to those of us involved in the football rip??
Hmmmmmmmmm.. >>
If you were a part of the rips, I'm positive you can do that yourself
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>As others have said... this is a mea culpa to unethical behavior to draw attention away from his criminal behavior... do not fall for this very sorry act.
Gary, word to the wise... just go away and get plastic surgery... God knows what would happen if you were spotted at a card show... any time, any place, in days, weeks or years all I know is that you will get what's yours... God never sleeps. >>
Not too mention some English lessons. This guy (Gary) writes like a 4 year old complete with poor grammar and horrendous spelling. Since, I read all the posts about this I will just toss in my opinion. I don't have a problem with someone brokering a honest deal and taking a couple of bucks off the top for their time and effort, as long as its fully divulged (and I don't think anyone here would have a problem with that either). But pack resealing and tampering??? Gary is extremely shady and his reluctance to address very direct and precise questions further questions his integrity. Their seems to be quite substantial, although circumstantial evidence leading one to believe that he is in fact not coming forward with the whole story. Pack resealing and passing it on is about as low as you can go IMO. Your Texas two stepping around the issues is going to be your (already) downfall.
Its one thing to make amends, admit fault and be honest, that does take character, its another thing to be a snake in the grass and try your damndest to defend yourself when everything is clearly suggesting otherwise.
Sorry for the long read.
Collecting Interests: Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
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Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip.
Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip. >>
Jordan
You don't even have to mention it - that goes without saying.
Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip. >>
Jordan
You don't even have to mention it - that goes without saying.
mike >>
Without question
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
And, that is the way it should be in a non-profit community setting.
BUT, again, the victims of this multi-pronged fiasco should not allow themselves to have their attention diverted from the real issue of having paid for one thing and received something else.
Gary has rights in this matter, too. His smart play is to be quiet.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I like TomTim have asked you numerous times to tell us where the 84 box came from for this rip. You always mention where everything else came from other than this item. I took part in your full 80's baseball rip and this football rip. As soon as I got the packs I opened them. And as I have mentioned before I cant tell if you had resealed any of them by the ones that I opened. I was lucky in this rip to land some HOF Rc's. Unlike the baseball rip where I didnt get much. But then again when you get say 15 cards out of a set that is 660-792 cards what are the odds at hitting the right cards, not that high. With the football in most cases the odd are a little better as the sets are smaller but the card #/pack is roughly the same. However, with the late 70's and upto 81 or 82, too lazy to check, the sets were at 528 cards per set. So it is possible that some cards would find there way into a box here or there. So over all I wasnt feeling that I got the shaft that some had opened my packs.
I also dont care much that you may have made some money on the rip. I wouldnt expect someone to take one in the wallet for the rest of us.
What I do have a problem with is that not all of the boxes came from either steve or dave & adams as you said that they would. You also werent honest with us while you were getting the boxes as to which ones all of a sudden werent come from those sources. Its hard to believe that you didnt notice a problem with the 78 packs as soon as you opened the box when you got them. This was never posted either until I mentioned it after I opened my pack. I could smell it right away.
Its amazing how many of the sayings that we heard as little kids still come up today. ala...honesty is the best policy...money is the root of all evil. I think the more all of us pay to these sayings and others the better off we all (world) would be. It seems that these two have come back around to bite you where the sun dont shine.
If you would have been straight up with us prior to sending the packs that not all of the packs were coming from steve or da, some might have dropped out others might have stayed or taken someones place. It also seems like money was the main driving force behind your drive to start or even more so TAKEOVER other peoples rips. In my experince most people here are here for the sense of community with others that enjoy card collecting. Not everyone understands this hobby so the internet makes a nice way to meet people that have the same love for something. In that regard I would venture to say that most are not here soley for the purpose of making money. Yes we all like to sell some cards here and there to fuel our hobby, but I have had many people that have been willing to send me cards and allow me to determine their worth and settle up later either via trade or cash. I too would be more than willing to do the same for others. However, when people are here soley to make a buck that makes it harder to trust others.
I am glad that you feel better about coming clean and that you will sleep better at night. However, I hope you havent ruined this community for too many people.
Jay
Packers Fan for Life Collecting: Brett Favre Master Set Favre Ticket Stubs Favre TD Reciever Autos Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set Football HOF Rc's
Seems as though some positives are coming out of all this.
The honest guys have let it be known to all that we won't stand for crap like this, so future cheaters are now on notice to make dam sure they're one hell of a lot smarter than Gary.
Some folks including myself are out some dough, but other than that, it's been gratifying to see everyone come together to out a scammer and subject him to a public flogging.
All in all, not a bad week for the hobby at all. Indeed, a rather good one ...
"I will sleep good everynight nowing that the truth is what i stated "
Judging by the pictures I have seen of you on this site and the big circles you have around your eyes my guess is you dont sleep real well at night because even you think your a piece of $h**
ALWAYS LOOKING TO BUY HIGH GRADE79/80 OPC HOCKEY !!! & Upper Deck "Ice Scripts" Cards
If you were a part of the rips, I'm positive you can do that yourself >>
I was part of the rips, but I only received one of the 36 packs of each year..I already compared my 10 cards from 1976 and 10 cards from 1977 and they didn't match any of the cards from Gary's NESC vending purchases.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
If you would have been straight up with us prior to sending the packs that not all of the packs were coming from steve or da, some might have dropped out others might have stayed or taken someones place. >>
BINGO! I wouldn't have participated if I knew the cards were coming from ebay..I can but the garbage ebay stuff myself..We paid the high prices under the assumption the cards were coming directly from top notch sources.
Thats the big lie that has been proven, and confessed to.
At the VERY LEAST you owe a refund for anything you shipped that was NOT directly from where you stated it was from.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Thanks for that link, Stone. The funniest part of that listing is that 1975 Topps wax packs contained only 10 cards, not 12! At least most pack factories know how many cards are in a pack, what a dolt!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Do you think if we started a page asking people to vote on removing 89sjunkie from the boards PSA may consider??? I dont like this guy one bit. Here is my vote!!!!!
Very nice find guys! I never even though that he might be selling on Naxcom (I don't think that much about Naxcom anymore). Looks like he has even more explaining to do (especially on the card count).
<< <i>And here's where those 75T mini wrappers may be?
<< <i>Very nice find guys! I never even though that he might be selling on Naxcom (I don't think that much about Naxcom anymore). Looks like he has even more explaining to do (especially on the card count).
<< <i>And here's where those 75T mini wrappers may be?
OMG- you just caught him red handed IMHO! WOW! Is he ever GOING to say a THING about the 84 topps football box!
He is resealing and although can not be proved BUT BUY ONE FROM HIM ON NAXCOM and find out!!!
He is very shady to take advantage of all of you THIS BADLY and he has done MUCH WORSE than he is admitting!
** Working on the following sets-2013 Spectra Football Hall of Fame 50th Anniversary Autograph set, 2015 Spectra Football Illustrious Legends Autograph set, 2014-15 Hall of Fame Heroes autograph set. **
<< <i>I say this guy came here with one thing in mind and that was dumping the junk product he owned. He kept Steve's legit product and sent out his crap. He came in with his own well doing his ONLY concern. He knew he bought crap and this was his golden parachute if you will to dump it. Damn! Not only dump it but get it replaced with Steve's good product. All at our expense. He played us from day 1.
Con artist, thief, criminal, Gary Daggett. All the same.
Bob C. >>
Exactly and also stated by others.
Don't let this new "kinder gentler" alibi get in the way of the truth guys. It's a common ploy when the guilty are caught.
Did he search packs? He probably has at some time and may have transferred some to you.
Did he own before the rips product that was suspect? Most certainly.
Did he foist that off on you and keep nice fresh product for himself? Yes, yes, yes.
What Gary has been doing is more then likely ALOT worse then he is slowly admitting to. Like an iceberg, you can only see the top 10% of its actual size. Maybe a stupid analogy but it fits for me ....
Gary needs to LEAVE this hobby FOREVER. We know what he looks like, we know his name, he can be outed easily at any major card show or function .... whatever.
Comments
<< <i>Maybe you guys can beat this dead horse some more....I recall a few people rippin' me for my comments about not buying into these 'rips".
Thank God, i didn't get screwed. >>
Carew29
Im also thankfull the last time you thought you got screwed you went on a rampage about mintstate on these boards and got yourself banned from the board and had MintState's lawyers on your case
<< <i>From the bk rip thread:
<< <i>sure gumby fan ill dig them out now. but if someone does the math i won the 87 fleer wrappers march 1st the day the packs were sent out so obviously i havent even recieved those wrappers yet but of coursethat does not matter >>
Here is what's pissing me off. What the @%#$! would a dealer of unopened wax boxes/packs be buying wax wrappers???? >>
dont forget mint singles and gum also.
Anyone know if it's possible to reseal a beer bong?
<< <i>stown i dont care what you believe I have come clean and really dont care what you or anyone else belives anymore. I feel beeter now that the truth is out there i fell better and can watch guys like you just keep up with the conspiracy theories because no matter what i say you will come up with something else because you want to believe in something so bad. stown are you this passionat about your collection >>
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that 'greed' -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.
"It's all about the bucks kid, the rest is conversation."
<< <i>You want the truth here it all is hope you can handle it >>
Gary
Let's start with the title.
Oh sure - what an act of contrition.
When you face your first parole board - ya gotta learn from this - they can smell a rat from 10,000 meters!
<< <i>Gordon Gecko:
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that 'greed' -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. >>
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Right on Greg
That's why I answered Julen that this is NOT just about money - the reports - on bad packs - are very compelling.
mike
<< <i>Second, the tone - there is not a hint of contrition that I can see. >>
Exactly, Stone. Not even one "i'm sorry." What a piece of work.
Knowing absolutely nothing about the rips except what ive read on the board, i think 80'sjunkie did the following:
-Participated and helped orchestrate the 75 rip with zef. That rip, i believe, was legit.
-After this rip, the thought came into his head that 1.) I can make money out of this and 2.) I can have fun while doing it.
-He doesnt appear to be the brightest guy in the world with his fragmented responses and difficult to follow logic, but i believe he realized that a full blown fraud would be bad. So, how would he get his money?
-He would do as he stated in his first post...earn money as a middleman. Is there shame in this? Yes. Because everyone trusted the price he provided as the actual realizable price of the boxes. As stated many times above, he came into this venture as an honest individual only doing the legwork (which isnt much, with the exception of the 75 case rip) to participate in a fun exercise. Someone made arguments above about how we shouldnt fault the guy for trying to make a dollar. Well, as someone correctlt stated, he did that under false pretenses.
-Now, the above is fact. These latter points are only speculation.
-I think he resealed a random number of boxes. I dont think he did a full blown reseal. No one is that stupid. No criminal is dumb enough to post his personal information on ebay and do something so outrageous.
-He probably did a pack here...and box there. Hence, this explains his ebay activity and the fact that a few board members did receive top cards from the bust.
-In sum, he made money as a middleman by buying boxes at a cheaper price than what was stated to the board members. And he randomly searched packs and boxes.
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Like these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these wrapper lots.
Whew, that's a lot of wrappers.
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past...
Mark
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet.
I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested.
<< <i>Just so to be fair, I made a profit on the 1980s Topps rip I organized.
I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet.
I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested. >>
<< <i>Just so to be fair, I made a profit on the 1980s Topps rip I organized.
I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet.
I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested. >>
As long as you didn't take all the Hendersons out of the packs before shipping them and replace them with commons I think you earned your $7 + bubble wrap
Gary, word to the wise... just go away and get plastic surgery... God knows what would happen if you were spotted at a card show... any time, any place, in days, weeks or years all I know is that you will get what's yours... God never sleeps.
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<< <i>Second, the tone - there is not a hint of contrition that I can see. >>
Exactly, Stone. Not even one "i'm sorry." What a piece of work.
Knowing absolutely nothing about the rips except what ive read on the board, i think 80'sjunkie did the following:
-Participated and helped orchestrate the 75 rip with zef. That rip, i believe, was legit.
-After this rip, the thought came into his head that 1.) I can make money out of this and 2.) I can have fun while doing it.
-He doesnt appear to be the brightest guy in the world with his fragmented responses and difficult to follow logic, but i believe he realized that a full blown fraud would be bad. So, how would he get his money?
-He would do as he stated in his first post...earn money as a middleman. Is there shame in this? Yes. Because everyone trusted the price he provided as the actual realizable price of the boxes. As stated many times above, he came into this venture as an honest individual only doing the legwork (which isnt much, with the exception of the 75 case rip) to participate in a fun exercise. Someone made arguments above about how we shouldnt fault the guy for trying to make a dollar. Well, as someone correctlt stated, he did that under false pretenses.
-Now, the above is fact. These latter points are only speculation.
-I think he resealed a random number of boxes. I dont think he did a full blown reseal. No one is that stupid. No criminal is dumb enough to post his personal information on ebay and do something so outrageous.
-He probably did a pack here...and box there. Hence, this explains his ebay activity and the fact that a few board members did receive top cards from the bust.
-In sum, he made money as a middleman by buying boxes at a cheaper price than what was stated to the board members. And he randomly searched packs and boxes. >>
Major,
I believe his intent was much more sinister. The 75 case break was legit because he wasn't trusted with it. Steve shipped it much to Garys displeasure IIRC. He was also a member of the hockey rip I ran back in Sep-Oct 06. Not sure if he was in on AJW's rip before that.
I say this guy came here with one thing in mind and that was dumping the junk product he owned. He kept Steve's legit product and sent out his crap. He came in with his own well doing his ONLY concern. He knew he bought crap and this was his golden parachute if you will to dump it. Damn! Not only dump it but get it replaced with Steve's good product. All at our expense. He played us from day 1.
Con artist, thief, criminal, Gary Daggett. All the same.
Bob C.
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
I'd say I cleared about $7 after expenses, and I still have half a roll of bubble wrap in my closet.
I'm happy to refund everyone's prorated portion of the money and bubbles, if you're interested. "
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Obviously, nobody has a problem with that kind of "profit."
However, in my view, the organizer/instigator of future breaks
needs to understand that there is "no profit" to be made. In
fact, it may cost them some time, LD phone-calls, etc.
If BBCE is accepting the money and shipping the merch, all
the organizer has to do is assign a project-number to each
participant. The participants pay BBCE directly; when the
pot is right, BBCE ships the merch.
I do LOTS of "community buying" projects (not cards). Sometimes
I organize them, sometimes not; whoever is putting them together,
does the work and does NOT make a profit.
The profit issue in this case, is a red-herring. The real issues are
far more serious.
Only cuz zef was part of it.
Steve
"U.S. Postal Inspectors investigate any crime in which the U.S. Mail is used to further a scheme--whether it originated in the mail, by telephone, or on the Internet. The use of the U.S. Mail is what makes it mail fraud.
If evidence of a postal violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against the violator. However, if money is lost through a fraudulent scheme conducted via the mail, Inspectors lack the authority to ensure you receive a refund and can’t require that products, services, or advertisements--on the Internet or elsewhere--be altered.
Postal Inspectors base investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern, and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service will carefully review the information you provide. We may share the information with other agencies when there is a possible violation within their jurisdiction."
If any of you ever have a problem with a seller that uses the USPS to rip you off, there's even a form on their website where you can file a complaint. It may or may not work, but I thought I'd share it after mentioning it another thread last night. Again, not saying you should file. I am, however, pointing that times like this is a good time to remind people to use extra caution and that there are resources to help if you're ever ripped off. There are a lot of people making money off innocent people out there. We ned to all do our part to clean the hobby.
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<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Like these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these wrapper lots.
Whew, that's a lot of wrappers.
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past... >>
Since Gary hasn't sold any of these yet, he should still have these exact cards as pictured in these lots that he purchased.
Why not scan them, especially the ones that are easy to distinguish from the ebay picture being OC? Shows us the cards Gary? Or did they already get re-sealed and sent out to those of us involved in the football rip??
Hmmmmmmmmm..
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
No I did not tamper with search reseal or mess with any of the packs in any way.
What a crock of chit!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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The statute is written very broadly. Even if the scheme
totally fails - and the culprit makes nothing - the penalties apply.
Only the tiniest elements of the scheme need to touch the
mails, in order for the heat to come.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Do not be distracted from the fact that many people are claiming they did in fact receieve tampered packs. He is trying to deflect the attention from the criminal activity to the just sort of scummy behavior. Don't play that game. >>
Like these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these or these wrapper lots.
Whew, that's a lot of wrappers.
Or like this and this and this and this and this and this and this near mint lots, which some just so happen to correspond with the above mentioned wrappers.
And that's just 5 minutes of looking up his shady past... >>
Since Gary hasn't sold any of these yet, he should still have these exact cards as pictured in these lots that he purchased.
Why not scan them, especially the ones that are easy to distinguish from the ebay picture being OC? Shows us the cards Gary? Or did they already get re-sealed and sent out to those of us involved in the football rip??
Hmmmmmmmmm.. >>
If you were a part of the rips, I'm positive you can do that yourself
<< <i>As others have said... this is a mea culpa to unethical behavior to draw attention away from his criminal behavior... do not fall for this very sorry act.
Gary, word to the wise... just go away and get plastic surgery... God knows what would happen if you were spotted at a card show... any time, any place, in days, weeks or years all I know is that you will get what's yours... God never sleeps. >>
Not too mention some English lessons. This guy (Gary) writes like a 4 year old complete with poor grammar and horrendous spelling. Since, I read all the posts about this I will just toss in my opinion. I don't have a problem with someone brokering a honest deal and taking a couple of bucks off the top for their time and effort, as long as its fully divulged (and I don't think anyone here would have a problem with that either). But pack resealing and tampering??? Gary is extremely shady and his reluctance to address very direct and precise questions further questions his integrity. Their seems to be quite substantial, although circumstantial evidence leading one to believe that he is in fact not coming forward with the whole story. Pack resealing and passing it on is about as low as you can go IMO. Your Texas two stepping around the issues is going to be your (already) downfall.
Its one thing to make amends, admit fault and be honest, that does take character, its another thing to be a snake in the grass and try your damndest to defend yourself when everything is clearly suggesting otherwise.
Sorry for the long read.
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For the record...
Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip.
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<< <i>Gary, just go away.
For the record...
Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip. >>
Jordan
You don't even have to mention it - that goes without saying.
mike
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<< <i>Gary, just go away.
For the record...
Gary had NO PART in organizing the 75 rip. I had to chase him for nearly 2 weeks for payment. Just because he went to BBCE and ttt'ed the thread does not mean he had anything to do with it.
I didn't make a dime on that nor would I ever try to profit from organizing a rip. >>
Jordan
You don't even have to mention it - that goes without saying.
mike >>
Without question
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It would be most wise for you to get lost and never come back. Ever ..... GET LOST
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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And, that is the way it should be in a non-profit community setting.
BUT, again, the victims of this multi-pronged fiasco should not
allow themselves to have their attention diverted from the real
issue of having paid for one thing and received something else.
Gary has rights in this matter, too. His smart play is to be quiet.
On Naxcom!
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I like TomTim have asked you numerous times to tell us where the 84 box came from for this rip. You always mention where everything else came from other than this item. I took part in your full 80's baseball rip and this football rip. As soon as I got the packs I opened them. And as I have mentioned before I cant tell if you had resealed any of them by the ones that I opened. I was lucky in this rip to land some HOF Rc's. Unlike the baseball rip where I didnt get much. But then again when you get say 15 cards out of a set that is 660-792 cards what are the odds at hitting the right cards, not that high. With the football in most cases the odd are a little better as the sets are smaller but the card #/pack is roughly the same. However, with the late 70's and upto 81 or 82, too lazy to check, the sets were at 528 cards per set. So it is possible that some cards would find there way into a box here or there. So over all I wasnt feeling that I got the shaft that some had opened my packs.
I also dont care much that you may have made some money on the rip. I wouldnt expect someone to take one in the wallet for the rest of us.
What I do have a problem with is that not all of the boxes came from either steve or dave & adams as you said that they would. You also werent honest with us while you were getting the boxes as to which ones all of a sudden werent come from those sources. Its hard to believe that you didnt notice a problem with the 78 packs as soon as you opened the box when you got them. This was never posted either until I mentioned it after I opened my pack. I could smell it right away.
Its amazing how many of the sayings that we heard as little kids still come up today. ala...honesty is the best policy...money is the root of all evil. I think the more all of us pay to these sayings and others the better off we all (world) would be. It seems that these two have come back around to bite you where the sun dont shine.
If you would have been straight up with us prior to sending the packs that not all of the packs were coming from steve or da, some might have dropped out others might have stayed or taken someones place. It also seems like money was the main driving force behind your drive to start or even more so TAKEOVER other peoples rips. In my experince most people here are here for the sense of community with others that enjoy card collecting. Not everyone understands this hobby so the internet makes a nice way to meet people that have the same love for something. In that regard I would venture to say that most are not here soley for the purpose of making money. Yes we all like to sell some cards here and there to fuel our hobby, but I have had many people that have been willing to send me cards and allow me to determine their worth and settle up later either via trade or cash. I too would be more than willing to do the same for others. However, when people are here soley to make a buck that makes it harder to trust others.
I am glad that you feel better about coming clean and that you will sleep better at night. However, I hope you havent ruined this community for too many people.
Jay
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Seems as though some positives are coming out of all this.
The honest guys have let it be known to all that we won't stand for crap like this,
so future cheaters are now on notice to make dam sure they're one hell of a lot smarter than Gary.
Some folks including myself are out some dough, but other than that,
it's been gratifying to see everyone come together to out a scammer and subject him to a public flogging.
All in all, not a bad week for the hobby at all. Indeed, a rather good one ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Judging by the pictures I have seen of you on this site and the big circles you have around your eyes my guess is you dont sleep real well at night because even you think your a piece of $h**
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If you were a part of the rips, I'm positive you can do that yourself
I was part of the rips, but I only received one of the 36 packs of each year..I already compared my 10 cards from 1976 and 10 cards from 1977 and they didn't match any of the cards from Gary's NESC vending purchases.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
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If you would have been straight up with us prior to sending the packs that not all of the packs were coming from steve or da, some might have dropped out others might have stayed or taken someones place.
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BINGO! I wouldn't have participated if I knew the cards were coming from ebay..I can but the garbage ebay stuff myself..We paid the high prices under the assumption the cards were coming directly from top notch sources.
Thats the big lie that has been proven, and confessed to.
At the VERY LEAST you owe a refund for anything you shipped that was NOT directly from where you stated it was from.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
My 2 cents
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Thanks for that link, Stone. The funniest part of that listing is that 1975 Topps wax packs contained only 10 cards, not 12! At least most pack factories know how many cards are in a pack, what a dolt!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I dont like this guy one bit.
Here is my vote!!!!!
<< <i>And here's where those 75T mini wrappers may be?
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<< <i>Very nice find guys! I never even though that he might be selling on Naxcom (I don't think that much about Naxcom anymore). Looks like he has even more explaining to do (especially on the card count).
<< <i>And here's where those 75T mini wrappers may be?
On Naxcom!
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OMG- you just caught him red handed IMHO! WOW! Is he ever GOING to say a THING about the 84 topps football box!
He is resealing and although can not be proved BUT BUY ONE FROM HIM ON NAXCOM and find out!!!
He is very shady to take advantage of all of you THIS BADLY and he has done MUCH WORSE than he is admitting!
<< <i>I say this guy came here with one thing in mind and that was dumping the junk product he owned. He kept Steve's legit product and sent out his crap. He came in with his own well doing his ONLY concern. He knew he bought crap and this was his golden parachute if you will to dump it. Damn! Not only dump it but get it replaced with Steve's good product. All at our expense. He played us from day 1.
Con artist, thief, criminal, Gary Daggett. All the same.
Bob C. >>
Exactly and also stated by others.
Don't let this new "kinder gentler" alibi get in the way of the truth guys. It's a common ploy when the guilty are caught.
Did he search packs? He probably has at some time and may have transferred some to you.
Did he own before the rips product that was suspect? Most certainly.
Did he foist that off on you and keep nice fresh product for himself? Yes, yes, yes.
Scum sucking dog.
Gary needs to LEAVE this hobby FOREVER. We know what he looks like, we know his name, he can be outed easily at any major card show or function .... whatever.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240