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80sJunkie
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Has the storm calmed where we can all be civilized now. can some of you accept the truth probably not and you probably still swear i did something horribly wrong. but her it is
Ok you want the truth ? Can you handle the truth?
No I did not tamper with search reseal or mess with any of the packs in any way.
Q. Did I make some money on the rips
A. oh yeah it was all business baby.
Q. did all the boxes come from bbce.
All the baseball rip boxes came from bbce or da cardworld I will explain below.
A couple of the wax boxes on the foot ball rip came from other sources because bbce and da carworld were out.
Now how did I make money on this and still get all the boxes from bbce . Here it is all laid out and you can take it as you wish. The first baseball rip. Complete 80’s rip.
I’m not going to sit down and work out the exact numbers again I’m going to use examples to show how this worked
Ok I went to steves website and priced all the boxes for the rip according to his posted prices. Let say the total was 3,000 or something like that. We divided that added shipping paypal and came up with a price per lot. Now everyone who signed up was obviously happy with the price right no one twisted you arm and said hey you better signup . Am I wrong here? No you decided that was a good price for all those packs and from a guaranteed source.
Now I said all boxes would come from bbce or dacardworld. Which they did so how did I make money.
Follow along here. As I said I used the posted price off of steves site to come up with the cost right?
Now I had bought a case of 85 donruss from steve at national this last summer I paid 1500 for the case which is 90 a box right. On his site he sells them for 90. so I use one of the boxes I bought from steve this summer for the rip. The box is still clean untampered with and came from steve right? Now I made 10 off that box.
Steve was also running ebay auctions at the time and I bought a lot of his auctions.
Another example I won a case of 87 fleer from him for 1200 that’s 60 a box right. He sells them on his site for 100 the price figured into the rip. I use again a untampered case fresh box that came from bbce which I only paid 60 for and now made 40 off that box.
1983 michigan box won it from steve off ebay for 78 bucks he sells it on his site for 140 again made 62 bucks
Bought the 82 83 donruss and a few others again from steve but through his ebay auctions for considerable less then he sells them on his site. Again these boxes still came from steve
85 topps box steve sells on his site for 125 I bought a case from dacw at national for 2000 or 100 a box used one of those for the rip made another 25 bucks. And same thing with the second rip I used boxes I got from steve or dacw at way below the advertised price.
I
Do you see where these examples are going. As much as so many would like to believe that I tampered with or resealed everything. This was all about business and making money not trying to reseal packs or get money cards out of it.
Some may not like how I did this but again. I came up with the figure using the prices off of steves website and again obviously everyone was happy with the price or they did have to get in. and all the boxes one way or another came from steve or dacw just the price I paid for them was different then the price that was figured in the rip
When we figured the price of the rips we based it on the advertised price on bbce websitre and everyone agreed on the price or wouldnot have joined.
Now if I was able to find ways to get the boxes cheaper as long as they still came from bbce or dacw I don’t see where there was a problem in that. Those rips did take a lot of time and efforet to put together.
Bottom line is I played the middleman or broker and basically got what everyone wanted for a price they were happy with from the sources they wanted it from and in the process made a few bucks
I hate steve got kinda put in the middle of this but go ahead and ask him. Did I buy some full cases from him for good deals was I buying a lot of 80s boxes off of his ebay auctions. The answers are all yes and the above is how it all came to be
The football rips is the only rip where all the boxes did not come from bbce. Why because when I placed the order he was out of 78 and we all new he didn’t have 77 or 80 the 80 I gor from Pittsburgh sprots whole sale the 77 from a reutable dealer I am personal friends with who gave me a great deal and the 78 yes came off of ebay when all other sources were exhausted. And I even paid more for the 78 box then was figured into the rip.
The basketball rip all five boxes came from bbce in one order straight of the website nothing to discuss here.
So there it is all out in the wash. I know plenty will come on here and still swear I did something horribly wrong and I will never be able to change that opinion. Beacuase yes the ebay activity looks bad but this is all about the rips I will not make anymore comments or try to defend what I do on ebay. Bottom line is I make money people may not like how I do it. And I don’t do it by resealing or tampering with packs but it works.
Say what you will but there it all is im not gonna answer anymore silly questions from guys trying to attack me about the ebay practices or any of that. I did not tamper with any packs or reseal any packs from any rips. Some might say my business practices are a little unethical but all the product was pure and untouched wax there are your answers and like em or not it is the truth and nothing but the truth
Ok you want the truth ? Can you handle the truth?
No I did not tamper with search reseal or mess with any of the packs in any way.
Q. Did I make some money on the rips
A. oh yeah it was all business baby.
Q. did all the boxes come from bbce.
All the baseball rip boxes came from bbce or da cardworld I will explain below.
A couple of the wax boxes on the foot ball rip came from other sources because bbce and da carworld were out.
Now how did I make money on this and still get all the boxes from bbce . Here it is all laid out and you can take it as you wish. The first baseball rip. Complete 80’s rip.
I’m not going to sit down and work out the exact numbers again I’m going to use examples to show how this worked
Ok I went to steves website and priced all the boxes for the rip according to his posted prices. Let say the total was 3,000 or something like that. We divided that added shipping paypal and came up with a price per lot. Now everyone who signed up was obviously happy with the price right no one twisted you arm and said hey you better signup . Am I wrong here? No you decided that was a good price for all those packs and from a guaranteed source.
Now I said all boxes would come from bbce or dacardworld. Which they did so how did I make money.
Follow along here. As I said I used the posted price off of steves site to come up with the cost right?
Now I had bought a case of 85 donruss from steve at national this last summer I paid 1500 for the case which is 90 a box right. On his site he sells them for 90. so I use one of the boxes I bought from steve this summer for the rip. The box is still clean untampered with and came from steve right? Now I made 10 off that box.
Steve was also running ebay auctions at the time and I bought a lot of his auctions.
Another example I won a case of 87 fleer from him for 1200 that’s 60 a box right. He sells them on his site for 100 the price figured into the rip. I use again a untampered case fresh box that came from bbce which I only paid 60 for and now made 40 off that box.
1983 michigan box won it from steve off ebay for 78 bucks he sells it on his site for 140 again made 62 bucks
Bought the 82 83 donruss and a few others again from steve but through his ebay auctions for considerable less then he sells them on his site. Again these boxes still came from steve
85 topps box steve sells on his site for 125 I bought a case from dacw at national for 2000 or 100 a box used one of those for the rip made another 25 bucks. And same thing with the second rip I used boxes I got from steve or dacw at way below the advertised price.
I
Do you see where these examples are going. As much as so many would like to believe that I tampered with or resealed everything. This was all about business and making money not trying to reseal packs or get money cards out of it.
Some may not like how I did this but again. I came up with the figure using the prices off of steves website and again obviously everyone was happy with the price or they did have to get in. and all the boxes one way or another came from steve or dacw just the price I paid for them was different then the price that was figured in the rip
When we figured the price of the rips we based it on the advertised price on bbce websitre and everyone agreed on the price or wouldnot have joined.
Now if I was able to find ways to get the boxes cheaper as long as they still came from bbce or dacw I don’t see where there was a problem in that. Those rips did take a lot of time and efforet to put together.
Bottom line is I played the middleman or broker and basically got what everyone wanted for a price they were happy with from the sources they wanted it from and in the process made a few bucks
I hate steve got kinda put in the middle of this but go ahead and ask him. Did I buy some full cases from him for good deals was I buying a lot of 80s boxes off of his ebay auctions. The answers are all yes and the above is how it all came to be
The football rips is the only rip where all the boxes did not come from bbce. Why because when I placed the order he was out of 78 and we all new he didn’t have 77 or 80 the 80 I gor from Pittsburgh sprots whole sale the 77 from a reutable dealer I am personal friends with who gave me a great deal and the 78 yes came off of ebay when all other sources were exhausted. And I even paid more for the 78 box then was figured into the rip.
The basketball rip all five boxes came from bbce in one order straight of the website nothing to discuss here.
So there it is all out in the wash. I know plenty will come on here and still swear I did something horribly wrong and I will never be able to change that opinion. Beacuase yes the ebay activity looks bad but this is all about the rips I will not make anymore comments or try to defend what I do on ebay. Bottom line is I make money people may not like how I do it. And I don’t do it by resealing or tampering with packs but it works.
Say what you will but there it all is im not gonna answer anymore silly questions from guys trying to attack me about the ebay practices or any of that. I did not tamper with any packs or reseal any packs from any rips. Some might say my business practices are a little unethical but all the product was pure and untouched wax there are your answers and like em or not it is the truth and nothing but the truth
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Bottom line is I played the middleman or broker and basically got what everyone wanted for a price they were happy with from the sources they wanted it from and in the process made a few bucks
Interesting.
Steve
If you were in these rips to make a profit from the start, why not tell us up front? That just looks sleazy.
And if you only had 1 lot out of 36 of the rip ($10 box difference /36= 28 cents you would be saving for yourself).
alfonz24
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I really dont want to read anymore lies.
Please just go away. Far, far away.
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TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
"Wednesday February 21, 2007 4:19 PM
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends. The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
2lots 281.24packs+8.91paypalfees+6.65shipping=296.80
3 lots 421.86packs+13.24paypalfees+8.80shipping=443.90
1 box 462.50box+16.65paypalfees+8.80shipping+587.95
So you add it all up I am not doing this for profit.
Sorry to rant and rave guys I was just very upset by this persons pm and accusations
Now lets all have some fun and pull lots of psa 10's so you can sell them to me to finish my 78 set "
Now how exactly are we supposed to believe ANYTHING you say?
Lee
yes the second one was purly about profit. in bewtween the 2 ripps anytime stve od dac had auctions for the boxes we would need for the rip i snapped them up at lower prices and stashed them away for the second rip. thats why i wanted to do another complete 80s rip the second time around because i already had most of the boxes from steve or dacw at substantially loewer then the advertised prices on there site. when we went vintage i just ordered the older ones straight from steves site at those prices.
Lee
Gary, you had a chance to come clean yet you continue to twist your story. Funny, you have STILL yet to discuss the '84 Topps Football case break.
Which story is it?!?
From the ***1978 Topps case Break*** thread
<< <i>Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends.
The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
2lots 281.24packs+8.91paypalfees+6.65shipping=296.80
3 lots 421.86packs+13.24paypalfees+8.80shipping=443.90
1 box 462.50box+16.65paypalfees+8.80shipping+587.95
So you add it all up I am not doing this for profit.
Sorry to rant and rave guys I was just very upset by this persons pm and accusations
Now lets all have some fun and pull lots of psa 10's so you can sell them to me to finish my 78 set
You were lying then or you are lying now.
WHICH IS IT?!?
Lee
BS! I believe the 86 box at the very least came from " a very nice old man"
<< No I did not tamper with search reseal or mess with any of the packs in any way. >>
BS! Who else on these boards buys empty boxes, wrappers and bulk singles of the material we are ripping? Anyone? Hello? You bought that sh*t for one reason...to search and reseal. You sir are a crook!
<< I will not make anymore comments or try to defend what I do on ebay. >>
Because you can't defend it MF!
<< Say what you will but there it all is im not gonna answer anymore silly questions from guys trying to attack me >>
How convenient!
Left unanswered..... Cards for kids....84 FB BS....86 box from nice old man etc. etc. etc.
See you at the National pal!
Bob C.
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
this is very sad!
good luck to all in this mess
<< <i>it didnt start out as a venture tio make i profit I wanted to rip packs also also and i did. >>
What else changed from the start?
again the math the price of the rips was the current advertised value on steves site plus paypal and shipping. thats where the figure came from. then i made money by getting the boxes cheaper but stuill from steve and dacw. Now cds if I really cam out and said i was making money on this no matter how i explained it even though it was still a great deal would you join
Dave
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Hank Aaron Basic PSA 7-8(75%)
Lee
Pronunciation verb, -ceived, -ceiv·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to mislead by a false appearance or statement; delude: They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter.
2. to mislead or falsely persuade others; practice deceit: an engaging manner that easily deceives.
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–adjective 1. not honest; disposed to lie, cheat, or steal; not worthy of trust or belief: a dishonest person.
2. proceeding from or exhibiting lack of honesty; fraudulent: a dishonest advertisement
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How could it come from bbce in the condition we saw within our packs?
And why were the 84FB packs not in a box?
I understand to some degree the making of money in the course of business.
I was unaware that these rips were just a 'business deal' for you. And such a sweet bonus for us
to let you keep the new 85FB box. More money in the Dagget account.
My money is now yours, but you have lost my trust and faith.
By my accounting, I am the one who finished ahead here.
Money can be replaced. But the trust you have lost with members of this board cannot be replaced.
Charles
Having said that, 80sjunkie reputation deserves to be what it is solely based on many questionable eBay transactions. They may or may not have anything to do with the rips here but one cannot be sure. It is unethical for anyone to be buying wrappers, empty boxes and raw card lots together. Somebody along the way is going to get screwed. Maybe not the community rippers here but it doesn't matter. Question becomes, would you buy from him again? Do you trust him?
Are we supposed to pick and choose which of your stories to believe?
Lee
Lee
<< <i>bottom line like i said cd i wound up playing middleman slash broker. Instead of just ordering the boxes at the posted price which evryone was happy with i found a way to make everyone happy and still make a legitimate profit. Theres is nothing wrong with that execpt everyone wants something for nothing. I put work into it i got a profit out of it we all were happy and had fun doing it. >>
BS
So now that you have been caught in numerous lies, you expect everyone to believe that your boxes were legit?
As I said the other day, if you don't lie, you won't have to remember what you had said.
Speaking of, where was that' 84 case coming from and why did you buy wrappers, mint commons, AND a box prior to the rip?!?
I will sleep good everynight nowing that the truth is what i stated above so againbelieve it or not i cant make you believe anything
fraud
Pronunciation[frawd]
–noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
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1) Where was this '84 Topps Football case coming from?
2) How did you get such a great, unheard of deal?
3) * Why did you buy '84 Topps wrappers, huge lot of raw cards, and a box knowing you were about to bust a case?
* Information provided by fellow board members.
snake in the grass
–noun 1. a treacherous person, esp. one who feigns friendship.
2. a concealed danger.
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Did it only take you three days to come up with this? Now I understand why you couldn't provide a receipt from any of these sources on the date they were supposedly purchased.
Karma will get you.
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BigCrumbs! I made over $250 last year!
Steve the problem is/was that Gary at first told everyone he was not in it for the money and that he made zero dollars off these rips.
Of course, had he said from the beginning that he would do all the leg work for a % of the take then those that put in could have made a decision based on that.
I was wondering why a guy that lives in Calif. would travel to Indiana just to help guys here get packs?
Am i correct in that?
gary is in calif and BBCE is in Indiana?
Steve
<< <i>
My money is now yours, but you have lost my trust and faith.
By my accounting, I am the one who finished ahead here.
Money can be replaced. But the trust you have lost with members of this board cannot be replaced.
Charles >>
It takes a lifetime to earn trust and a second to lose it.
Gary, it all comes down to perception. What you may deem as innocent or legit looks sleazy to others. If you plan on selling unopened, the your perception by others will be your biggest asset/liability. You should have been upfront about wanting to sub boxes for the rip. You stated you just started out by wanting to be a part of the rip. When did that change? (or more importantly why).
You have created a tangled web that I do not believe you can get out of by only putting out bits of the truth over a period of time.
unethical
adjective
1. not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices" [ant: ethical]
2. not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds" [syn: base]
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1957 Topps 99% 7.40 GPA
Hank Aaron Basic PSA 7-8(75%)
<< <i>, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem of a middleman making money.
Steve the problem is/was that Gary at first told everyone he was not in it for the money and that he made zero dollars off these rips.
Of course, had he said from the beginning that he would do all the leg work for a % of the take then those that put in could have made a decision based on that.
I was wondering why a guy that lives in Calif. would travel to Indiana just to help guys here get packs?
Am i correct in that?
gary is in calif and BBCE is in Indiana?
Steve >>
And you are suppose to take his word that the boxes were case fresh, unsearched, and un-tampered... Even though he's been sitting on them for a while.
Bucc, just for the record the hockey rip I ran cost me around $350. and it was one of the most rewarding and enjoyful experiences I shared with my fellow board members.
I would do it again in a heartbeat even if it cost me a grand out of pocket but that will never happen thanks to our pal Mr. Daggett.
His actions are absolutely unforgiveable and 100% criminal.
Bob C.
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
n. Slang
A despicable or disgusting person.
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ok one last post this statement above was not my intention. I have just laid out the truth someone because of all this will always suspect there pack have it graded im not worried i did not tamper qwith them and I know where they all came from. this is not putting burden of proof on steve because there is nothing top prove . thats the parts thats pisses me off everyone is so determined to blame somebody for doing something wrong when nothing wrong was done
yes cd i lied about somethings all in the name of making money and again believe what you will. i came clean above and that is all. I've made the money and wiont be making more off of ripas so theres no more reason to not to tell the truth
ok im gone i knew this would just turn into another downhill spiral.
Lee
<< <i>ok im gone i knew this would just turn into another downhill spiral. >>
There are still very specific questions that have been asked repeatedly but you chose not to answer. Why?
So, I guess the next question is how much money did you make off the guys?
Steve
84 topps FB???????
86 Topps BK box?????????
Cards for Kids?????????
Set us straight so we'll get off you back Gary!
Bob C.
EDIT: Gary change your sig line. It's a f**kin' insult!
61 Topps (100%) 7.96
62 Parkhurst (100%) 8.70
63 Topps (100%) 7.96
63 York WB's (50%) 8.52
68 Topps (39%) 8.54
69 Topps (3%) 9.00
69 OPC (83%) 8.21
71 Topps (100%) 9.21 #1 A.T.F.
72 Topps (100%) 9.39
73 Topps (13%) 9.35
74 OPC WHA (95%) 8.57
75 Topps (50%) 9.23
77 OPC WHA (86%) 8.62 #1 A.T.F.
88 Topps (5%) 10.00
<< <i>i lied about somethings all in the name of making money
So, I guess the next question is how much money did you make off the guys?
Steve >>
I still contend that is irrelevant. If you had not participated in the rips, you could have gotten the same packs at a cheaper price otherwise. It appears everyone was satisfied with the price being paid to be part of the community rip.
<< <i> i found a way to make everyone happy and still make a legitimate profit >>
Try PROFITEERING!
If you had this up front, it would be different.
I'm so angry - I'm gonna just leave it at that.
One thing for sure - IMO - YOU ARE NEVER WELCOME IN THIS FORUM!
The fact that you can make this statement hints at you being sociopathic in nature.
It may be irrelavant to you, and me and the guy next door. The thing is it is relavant to those that put up the dough.
IMO
Steve
<< <i>
<< <i>i lied about somethings all in the name of making money
So, I guess the next question is how much money did you make off the guys?
Steve >>
I still contend that is irrelevant. If you had not participated in the rips, you could have gotten the same packs at a cheaper price otherwise. It appears everyone was satisfied with the price being paid to be part of the community rip. >>
Bucc,
So you would be happy buying a new car with 10 miles and find out later that 15,000 miles have been rolled back?