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I just wanted to say a newbee hello to everyone. I've been collecting coins for for about 30 years but have just sent my first order to PCGS.

I have a question for those more experienced then me... Two coins are coming back ungraded. One is a 1787 Massachusetts 1/2 cent VF30 Bn purchased in about 1979 from Bowers and Ruddy. The PCGS description is damage/tooling BN. I'm pretty sure it is neither damaged nor retooled. The other coin is a Cameo PL fully toned 1893 Columbian Exposition Half. It's coming back as cleaned. I can't see why as there are no signs of wear or hairlines evident at up to 16x magnification. I thought it might get a MS66 or better PL. Any ideas as to what I could or should do??

Many thanks,

Barry Lehr

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    When in doubt, re - submit!image

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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    image to the forum Barry. If you could post some pictures it would help.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭
    Welcome..........

    Take it from some of the others..........resubmit, and then resubmit again 'till it slabs.

    Sad to say, but some good coins get BB'd every now and again.


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    CoinlearnerCoinlearner Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭
    imageimage Wecome.....Coinsimage..Resubmit to a top grading service-second opinion.
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    I would recommend to have a trusted dealer examine them for you before I'd incur the additional costs of resubmitting.

    It is possible that the coins would holder in a subsequent submission, but it is equally likely that there are real issues that you are missing.

    I would also add, based on my experience, that having purchased a coin from Bowers and Ruddy in the 1970s (or any other reputable dealer at anytime in the past) doesn't guarantee that the coins will be graded similarly or higher by the TPGs today.



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    RussRuss Posts: 48,515 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Any ideas as to what I could or should do?? >>



    If the grade don't fit, you must resubmit.

    Russ, NCNE
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    You can always resubmit the coin, but I like the idea of having a trusted eye look at the coin first.
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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome!!!

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 28,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    [hawkeyevoice]Ahhh, Mozart.[/hawkeyevoice]


    Welcome aboard.
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭
    image to the boards!!

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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
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    etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,795 ✭✭✭
    Hello and image to the forums.

    Yep, resubmit.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS has rendered their opinion, which you paid for. If you pay them again, they might give you the same one, or a different one.

    They're usually right but no one is perfect.

    can you show us pictures of the coins, taken in bright light?

    And Welcome!

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's likely that the coins will bodybag again. Take ColonialCoinUnion's advice.

    Also, try looking at your coins in a dark room under an incandescent or halogen lamp. It's amazing what you can learn given proper lighting.
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    dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    sup, image
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    image and Live Long and Prosper!


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    FRESH MEAT !!! image Sell them on Ebay, Buy and submit some more. Repeat till you feel happy or you run out of money.
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    Welcome to the board.... have fun... Cheers, RickO
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image to the boards, Amadeusmozart! Enjoy!

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    tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭✭
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    image ...I just joined the boards and received a very nice welcome...a nice place to visit and hang out...enjoy...and I agree with some of the advice you already received...get a few experienced opinions before you decide to resubmit...

    BTW...this may not be a popular suggestion here in PCGS CU land...buuuttt...if it is decided that your coins just won't be able to make it into a PCGS holder, you could try NGC. One of their graders once told me that they will grade & encapsulate "any coin they feel has a marketable appearance"...more borderline coins get into their holders than at PCGS. Also...there is ANACS...they will authenticate your coins and put them in holders with a details grade and a note of the "problem" (at least they give you full service for your fee...no body bags except for counterfeits).image

    Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free image
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>[hawkeyevoice]Ahhh, Mozart.[/hawkeyevoice]


    Welcome aboard. >>



    Shouldn't that be radarvoice instead?

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    RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Shouldn't that be radarvoice instead? >>


    Yep, and it was "ahh, Bach...", but it works anyway. image
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    Welcome, and I also suggest NGC as an alternative
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the Forum!

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    coinnutcoinnut Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From one newbie to another, Welcome to the boardsimage
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome! Try a resubmission, then go to NGC, then if all else fails, send to ANACS.

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    Just enjoy them raw. That's a great option if you aren't trying to sell them.
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    shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    Wilkommen, Herr Mozart.
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