Need Help Grading this Morgan - 1880-P VAM 39A Clashed E

nesvt

Was trying to attribute some of my raw Morgans and found this 80-P 39A. It's part of the SuperCD and Hot 50 sets.

My first opinion is AU58. I used to have a 39A in PCGS AU58, so I dug out the images. This raw coin looks better. I was wondering if it might make low mint state.
The PCGS pops on this coin... AU55 6, AU58 5, MS60 1, MS63 1.

Opinions?

ricko

Norm,
I would call it MS60.... not sure if it is the picture .. but the breast feathers on the reverse look a bit 'worn'... the only real detraction .. (except for mild toning.. ) Cheers, RickO

Coxe

I'd say 55 and congrats on a great find!

DennisH

Norm:

I'd say 50-50 tossup between AU58 and MS60.

Great coin too!

Yale68

I'd say 55 (most likely) or 58

circulated

MS60

edit: the hair over the ear doesn't help the grade too much

NumisOxide

I'm gonna say AU58.

bsshog40

I would also tend to say AU55-58. Looks like a little worn at the cap and also worn breast feathers.

Wolf359

<< <i>Norm:

I'd say 50-50 tossup between AU58 and MS60.

Great coin too! >>



What Dennis said.

RVDavis

Norm:

Tough, tough coin to grade. Congratulations on the find, that is one of my favorites. I think you have an MS coin, probably 61 or 62. Such a weak strike can come back AU or MS as you probably well know from experience. The cheek is so clean who knows maybe it would go 64 (grin).

Rick

Myqqy

It looks like a 55 to me...

greghansen

I'd call it a 55. I don't think it has enough luster for 58.

nesvt

Wolf359

I saw it in person, and swore it was a 58.

Major ouch because I passed.

Wolf359

Norm is of course, hinting around at something. It's his surprise, and I'll let him tell.

So, NORM, TELL US!

nesvt

<< <i>Norm is of course, hinting around at something. It's his surprise, and I'll let him tell.

So, NORM, TELL US! >>



I'm keeping my mouth shut. It's not mine any more, but I know it's in good hands!

ziggy29

55 or 58, depending on luster.

DennisH

Let me guess: MS63?

nesvt

By the way, not sure if this die marker is worth noting or not. I've had two 80-P 39A's and this diagonal die scratch in the denticles between R and I was on both. Good if you only see the obverse of the coin and the neck clash is positioned right.




here's a scan from the other coin...

Coxe

Makes me wonder how many I might have left on the table at bourses with bad lighting.

Nice pick-up!

jdsinva

This thread is two months in the making and this is all we get?



<< <i>

<< <i>Norm is of course, hinting around at something. It's his surprise, and I'll let him tell.

So, NORM, TELL US! >>



I'm keeping my mouth shut. It's not mine any more, but I know it's in good hands! >>

bsshog40

I'd say AU. the breast feathers look a little worn and it has a few rim nics also.

kwmorgan

AU 55, IMHO.

Newcomp103

<< <i>It looks like a 55 to me... >>





I agree with the ferret!

RobJoyce1921dVAMguy

PCGS 62.

In hand I thought monster 58, original skin. I have a tough time grading 1880-Os with weakeness over the ear.

Rob

Wolf359

<< <i>PCGS 62.

In hand I thought monster 58, original skin. I have a tough time grading 1880-Os with weakeness over the ear.

Rob >>



Well, you got the Monster part right! What a coin. Well done.

Wolf359

<< <i>I'd say AU. the breast feathers look a little worn and it has a few rim nics also. >>



Just weakly struck, which can fool you. In hand, the luster is unbroken.

messydesk

<< <i>PCGS 62.

In hand I thought monster 58, original skin. I have a tough time grading 1880-Os with weakeness over the ear.

Rob >>


That's the problem. This isn't an 80-O, it's an 80-P. You've been had. I can understand how you probably don't want the coin anymore. Feel free to send it to me and I'll send you an 80-O in MS62.

jdsinva

MS62?!?! That is sweet!

I have three that I'm getting ready to send to to PCGS, two are AU but there is the one I think should go MS. You all will be the first to know.