Actually I'm not that good with AU and up grading. I'm much better at F to XF grading. Let me take a stab at an analysis.
It has GREAT luster. Maybe rub on the hair below liberty, the center of the eagles tail, and the shield. They could be weak spots in the strike, but this this is a Philly issue I would think it would have a strong strike.
Now that I've mad a fool of myself, I'll go sit in the corner
Sorry, I have to vent about something. You know what REALLY sucks? Seeing a Barber Half listed on eBay that you've been searching for for over 5 years only to have the seller end the auction early to sell it to somebody else! GRRRRRRR!~!
I need a copy of DL's guide to Halves. Anybody have a spare for sale? I looked it over once but held off on buying. I understand they are out of print now.
<< <i>Sorry, I have to vent about something. You know what REALLY sucks? Seeing a Barber Half listed on eBay that you've been searching for for over 5 years only to have the seller end the auction early to sell it to somebody else! GRRRRRRR!~! >>
Wouldn't be that 1895-s in PCGS 35 would it? I got an email notice of it's, ahem, cancellation.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
<< <i>Sorry, I have to vent about something. You know what REALLY sucks? Seeing a Barber Half listed on eBay that you've been searching for for over 5 years only to have the seller end the auction early to sell it to somebody else! GRRRRRRR!~! >>
Wouldn't be that 1895-s in PCGS 35 would it? I got an email notice of it's, ahem, cancellation. >>
Yeah, that's the one. It's the one coin in my collection that has plagued me. I absolutely NEVER see it. EVER. Mine is a VF-20, original, but more silvery colored than I like. This one had the exact toning I look for and everything. I was prepared to bid VERY high on it.... and now it's gone!
Re the 1895-s The sellers ad stated an ask price of 245 in xf40 as reference. We should stage a mock bid and forward it to the seller to show him what could have happened. My snipe: $388. It did have a couple of hits on the cheek.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
Cary - I hate that too. It has happened to me all too often. The 95-S is a killer to find original in Choice VF. Cary, the 95-S was the LAST coin to find for my set. I think I messed my shorts after I won it I was so elated.
Word to the wise. Wear diapers when bidding on the last coin needed for your set, you'll be grateful you did.
<< <i>Re the 1895-s The sellers ad stated an ask price of 245 in xf40 as reference. We should stage a mock bid and forward it to the seller to show him what could have happened. My snipe: $388. It did have a couple of hits on the cheek. >>
I was prepared to essentially "buy the coin". My bid would have absurdly high, that's how much I wanted that piece.
<< <i>Cary - I hate that too. It has happened to me all too often. The 95-S is a killer to find original in Choice VF. Cary, the 95-S was the LAST coin to find for my set. I think I messed my shorts after I won it I was so elated.
Word to the wise. Wear diapers when bidding on the last coin needed for your set, you'll be grateful you did.
Yeah, I did that when I completed my set. The 92-O was the last coin I needed and I definitely overpaid for it. She's not as nice as yours, Tyler, but she is a pretty nice example:
<< <i>tombr, they are selling for up to $75 on average. >>
There's a paperback one on Amazon for 37.95. I would think the hard cover would be better to own >>
I know Peter Shireman located a hardcover book - but they're as rare as 1898-O Micro O's - sorry , no offence meant Cary.
The DLRC reference paperback book on halves are almost as difficult to locate. Its out of print. I know the second edition of the quarter book is alot easier to locate. Dime books are also scarce.
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I already posted a thread in the BST forum, but I'll make note of it here too. I really would like to buy an upgrade example of an 1895-S Barber Half. So if any of you have an extra you are looking to sell, VF30-XF45 range, uncleaned, original... please consider selling it to me. I will pay STRONG money for the right coin. Thanks.
Okay - I'll bite - why is the Broadstruck 1898-O showing up with out some explanation ? I love the coin - don't be selling it without checking with me first - please !!!
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I'll be wearing Depends when I crack out that XF40 05-P tonight as well as during the Baltimore show and for the week after waiting on the results of the submission.
I like the 1909, I've been eyeballing that coin for a few days now. Since I already have that date in a lower grade, I decided to concentrate on date's that I still need for my set. Nice pickup and I'm glad to see it was sold to a fellow board member.
Cary,
Definite bummer. Once seller's start pulling that crap on Ebay, I refuse to bid on anything they have to offer.... no matter how bad I need a certain date. Unfortunately, that's one date, and especially in the VF/XF grades, that you'll truly see the "competitive" nature of you're fellow Barber collectors.
Mike,
I thoughly enjoyed reading your post (letter), thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. You're not kidding when you refer to the 1901-S Barber half as your nemisis. Sorry to hear about the "Altered Surfaces" on your crossover.
Thank your lucky stars that coin was pulled. We both had the same thought - get the coin, PERIOD. That would have resulted in one of us significantly overspending.
Barberman
I agree with you. If sellers pull coins on a regular basis, I would not bid on their future stuff. That particular seller still "owes" me some feedback. That is two strikes.
Having said all that, no one really knows what happened to the coin. Maybe, they sold it off-line to a non-eBayer. Until we know who got it, and how, we should not get too crazy. Let's see if a Registry set gets "updated."
About a year and a half ago, I started a thread when this same seller pulled the auction on a 1904 o Barber half in NGC, and just before that one, a 1904 s PGCS. I know MFH remembers that one as we discussed it for some time.
Don
Do your best to avoid circular arguments, as it will help you reason better, because better reasoning is often a result of avoiding circular arguments.
<< <i>Is it just me... or is this STAR just totally silly >>
Not only is the STAR silly, but so is the grade! AU-58??? C'mon! If they're going to claim to be PROFESSIONAL graders, at least ACT like it and give out correct grades.
<< <i>About a year and a half ago, I started a thread when this same seller pulled the auction on a 1904 o Barber half in NGC, and just before that one, a 1904 s PGCS. I know MFH remembers that one as we discussed it for some time.
Thank your lucky stars that coin was pulled. We both had the same thought - get the coin, PERIOD. That would have resulted in one of us significantly overspending.
Barberman
I agree with you. If sellers pull coins on a regular basis, I would not bid on their future stuff. That particular seller still "owes" me some feedback. That is two strikes.
Having said all that, no one really knows what happened to the coin. Maybe, they sold it off-line to a non-eBayer. Until we know who got it, and how, we should not get too crazy. Let's see if a Registry set gets "updated." >>
Oh goodness, I was prepared to go REALLY high too! Yikes!
Don's memory is better than mine - I kind of remember DJF pulling some stuff off his eby auctions - thanks for jogging my memory. If the auction was pulled on my bids the first time - I'd say shame on you, if it happened again, I'd have to say shame on me. There'd never be a third time. Also, that seller has many auctions and he still doesn't take Pay Pal. Most of us pay immediately upon receipt of an emailed invoice thru Pay Pal - however getting a bank check can be a pain in the Butt. It can delay getting payment - as well as the receipt of the item.
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Here's my recent 1907-P from an earlier post. It's a PCGS, AU-58.....a little more luster and alot better strike. The NGC coin looks to have an original skin though, and I bet it has nice underlying luster.
I respectfully lower your AU55 to an AU50 maybe AU53. Has a weak strike and wear on the feathers and forehead and cheek. Star? Wow. I should send my whole set in to NGC and see what happens. Wouldn't that be interesting especially if I had the money to play a game like that and would know for positive I could get my coins back in PCGS XF45 holders.
Dan, beautiful 07-P. Now that is an AU58 coin and truly shows why Mike is trying to put the set togther in that grade.
As for that 95-S, wasn't me. There were quite a few of you interested in that coin and I can't blame you. However, none of you got the coin. Strange. I bet this coin would have crossed $500 if not $600-700 quite easily. Come on everyone, fess up. What would have been your max bid?
<< <i>Here's my recent 1907-P from an earlier post. It's a PCGS, AU-58.....a little more luster and alot better strike. The NGC coin looks to have an original skin though, and I bet it has nice underlying luster.
>>
Dan - Now THAT is a nice AU 58 !!!
Craig - Sorry - but the NGC 58 Star Coin - is still a 55 IMHO - too much detail on the obverse for a 53 - let alone for an AU 50. You're right though - its a lousy strike on the reverse.
Everyone - It wasn't I who bid on the 1895-S from DJF - if I had seen it - I'd have bid too.
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Mike, I was comparing it to my AU50 05-P I currently have in hand. A touch of wear on a weak strike can be the difference here. I bet if we had the coin in hand our grading would be much closer.
Can you imagine a complete set of barber Halves looking like Dan's 07-P. Wow. I'd never want to get rid of it.
That is what is fun with these Barber Halves. Dan's 07-P in AU58 is beautiful. On the other spectrum, I love Tyler's and Don's Circulated cameos. Then you take a peak at Dr. Pete's gem pieces and all I can say is wow.
Three very different looks but still the same coin.
<< <i> ... As for that 95-S, wasn't me. There were quite a few of you interested in that coin and I can't blame you. However, none of you got the coin. Strange. I bet this coin would have crossed $500 if not $600-700 quite easily. Come on everyone, fess up. What would have been your max bid? >>
Craig, it would have been an absolute bloodbath-- I bet between 3 - 4x greysheet. I had n't even digested the idea of bidding on it before it was yanked.
Don
edited to add: I paid dogwood $400.00 for his 95s PCGS F-VF circ cameo last year.
Do your best to avoid circular arguments, as it will help you reason better, because better reasoning is often a result of avoiding circular arguments.
Besides hitting 1400 posts, I just wanted to make a quick comment (observation) on a specific Barber half date. There's currently a very nice PCGS, VF-20, 1894-P Barber half on Ebay. The seller mentions that D. Lawrence rates the 1894-P an R-5 (very scarce) in this grade. I couldn't believe it and had to verify it for myself. Sure enough, the information was correct and it's also a date that I still need for my set. The 1894 is one of those date's that sort of slips in there and you don't take notice of it until you realize that you still need the date for your set.
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Are you kidding?
It has GREAT luster. Maybe rub on the hair below liberty, the center of the eagles tail, and the shield. They could be weak spots in the strike, but this this is a Philly issue I would think it would have a strong strike.
Now that I've mad a fool of myself, I'll go sit in the corner
Tyler
MFH will step right in and reveal the true grade just cause he knows me quite well... I won't even have to mention it!
tombr, AU53 was a low blow... I still love ya but now only in a Tough Love kinda way!
Nice coin - I know there's something about it - a DDO - you can tell us -
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I've been on the fence for a few months looking for some holes to fill past errors and AU58 is where I'm comfortable as long as they look like this.
tombr, the 09 Philly does come a bit weekly struck in the wing areas.
These are the sellers pics... I'll post my own when it arrives.
<< <i>Broadstruck loves AU 64 coins - so therefore PCGS must have graded it AU 58.
Nice coin - I know there's something about it - a DDO - you can tell us -
How did I know it was an AU 58 ? I know Broadstruck.
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I know exactly what you mean - I know of only one collector who's imfamous for that.
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I have missed a few Dime books over the years, and am still looking.
The quarter vol 1 and 2 are more plentiful and sell for about $12 on average...
guess once folks see Sunnywood's set they toss in the towel?
<< <i>Sorry, I have to vent about something. You know what REALLY sucks? Seeing a Barber Half listed on eBay that you've been searching for for over 5 years only to have the seller end the auction early to sell it to somebody else! GRRRRRRR!~!
Wouldn't be that 1895-s in PCGS 35 would it?
I got an email notice of it's, ahem, cancellation.
<< <i>
<< <i>Sorry, I have to vent about something. You know what REALLY sucks? Seeing a Barber Half listed on eBay that you've been searching for for over 5 years only to have the seller end the auction early to sell it to somebody else! GRRRRRRR!~!
Wouldn't be that 1895-s in PCGS 35 would it?
I got an email notice of it's, ahem, cancellation. >>
Yeah, that's the one.
<< <i>tombr, they are selling for up to $75 on average. >>
There's a paperback one on Amazon for 37.95. I would think the hard cover would be better to own
The sellers ad stated an ask price of 245 in xf40 as reference.
We should stage a mock bid and forward it to the seller to show him what could have happened.
My snipe: $388. It did have a couple of hits on the cheek.
Word to the wise. Wear diapers when bidding on the last coin needed for your set, you'll be grateful you did.
Tyler
1895-S on registry site
<< <i>Re the 1895-s
The sellers ad stated an ask price of 245 in xf40 as reference.
We should stage a mock bid and forward it to the seller to show him what could have happened.
My snipe: $388. It did have a couple of hits on the cheek. >>
I was prepared to essentially "buy the coin". My bid would have absurdly high, that's how much I wanted that piece.
<< <i>Cary - I hate that too. It has happened to me all too often. The 95-S is a killer to find original in Choice VF. Cary, the 95-S was the LAST coin to find for my set. I think I messed my shorts after I won it I was so elated.
Word to the wise. Wear diapers when bidding on the last coin needed for your set, you'll be grateful you did.
Tyler
1895-S on registry site >>
Yeah, I did that when I completed my set. The 92-O was the last coin I needed and I definitely overpaid for it. She's not as nice as yours, Tyler, but she is a pretty nice example:
tombr, that's a great price as the last copies on ebay where in the $55-65 range for heavily donkey eared copies.
Non of the DL Barber books where Hardbound... or atleast I have never seen one.
These out of print books are like coins they go up in value. Bruce Fox's WLH Hardbound is hundreds!
My primary set has a nice AU 55...again, no images.
Tyler - " It all Depends what your last coin is"...LOL
I'd be elated too to locate the last coin in my set in 58.
From what I hear, it very well be the 95-S as well.
However, as there are no 1897-S at PCGS in AU 58,
that very well may be the last coin to upgrade in my collection
Ask Craig - who would've thought the 1905-P would have
been his stumbling block ?
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<< <i>
<< <i>tombr, they are selling for up to $75 on average. >>
There's a paperback one on Amazon for 37.95. I would think the hard cover would be better to own
I know Peter Shireman located a hardcover book - but they're as rare as 1898-O Micro O's
- sorry , no offence meant Cary.
The DLRC reference paperback book on halves are almost as difficult to locate. Its out of print.
I know the second edition of the quarter book is alot easier to locate. Dime books are
also scarce.
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<< <i>I know Peter Shireman located a hardcover book - but they're as rare as 1898-O Micro O's
- sorry , no offence meant Cary. >>
None taken, Mike.
Yeah but I heard that the Dust Cover fell off!
Sorry Cary couldn't resist.
<< <i><< I know Peter Shireman located a hardcover book - but they're as rare as 1898-O Micro O's
Yeah but I heard that the Dust Cover fell off!
Sorry Cary couldn't resist.
I love the coin - don't be selling it without checking with me first - please !!!
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MFH I have no intentions of selling it as it's now a mate to my off center 98 Morgan.
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I like the 1909, I've been eyeballing that coin for a few days now. Since I already have that date in a lower grade, I decided to concentrate on date's that I still need for my set. Nice pickup and I'm glad to see it was sold to a fellow board member.
Cary,
Definite bummer. Once seller's start pulling that crap on Ebay, I refuse to bid on anything they have to offer.... no matter how bad I need a certain date. Unfortunately, that's one date, and especially in the VF/XF grades, that you'll truly see the "competitive" nature of you're fellow Barber collectors.
Mike,
I thoughly enjoyed reading your post (letter), thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
You're not kidding when you refer to the 1901-S Barber half as your nemisis. Sorry to hear about the "Altered Surfaces" on your crossover.
Connor Numismatics Website
The coin is at DLRC, I can't post the link... but it would never even cross as a 58.
Thank your lucky stars that coin was pulled. We both had the same thought - get the coin, PERIOD. That would have resulted in one of us significantly overspending.
Barberman
I agree with you. If sellers pull coins on a regular basis, I would not bid on their future stuff. That particular seller still "owes" me some feedback. That is two strikes.
Having said all that, no one really knows what happened to the coin. Maybe, they sold it off-line to a non-eBayer. Until we know who got it, and how, we should not get too crazy. Let's see if a Registry set gets "updated."
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/one-coin-per-year-1600-2017/2422
Don
<< <i>Is it just me... or is this STAR just totally silly
Not only is the STAR silly, but so is the grade! AU-58??? C'mon! If they're going to claim to be PROFESSIONAL graders, at least ACT like it and give out correct grades.
<< <i>About a year and a half ago, I started a thread when this same seller pulled the auction on a 1904 o Barber half in NGC, and just before that one, a 1904 s PGCS. I know MFH remembers that one as we discussed it for some time.
Don >>
This kind of #$&% really irks me too!
<< <i>Cratylus,
Thank your lucky stars that coin was pulled. We both had the same thought - get the coin, PERIOD. That would have resulted in one of us significantly overspending.
Barberman
I agree with you. If sellers pull coins on a regular basis, I would not bid on their future stuff. That particular seller still "owes" me some feedback. That is two strikes.
Having said all that, no one really knows what happened to the coin. Maybe, they sold it off-line to a non-eBayer. Until we know who got it, and how, we should not get too crazy. Let's see if a Registry set gets "updated." >>
Oh goodness, I was prepared to go REALLY high too! Yikes!
Guess one of the NGC Modern graders saw his first Classic?
That 1907 is a 55 - not all that bad - but not a 58 - as its got too much rub for a 58 - let alone a Star.
Coin looks lack - luster. It'd never cross at PCGS as a 58.
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Don's memory is better than mine - I kind of remember DJF pulling some stuff off his eby auctions - thanks for
jogging my memory. If the auction was pulled on my bids the first time - I'd say shame on you, if it happened
again, I'd have to say shame on me. There'd never be a third time. Also, that seller has many auctions and he
still doesn't take Pay Pal. Most of us pay immediately upon receipt of an emailed invoice thru Pay Pal - however
getting a bank check can be a pain in the Butt. It can delay getting payment - as well as the receipt of the item.
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Connor Numismatics Website
I respectfully lower your AU55 to an AU50 maybe AU53. Has a weak strike and wear on the feathers and forehead and cheek. Star? Wow. I should send my whole set in to NGC and see what happens. Wouldn't that be interesting especially if I had the money to play a game like that and would know for positive I could get my coins back in PCGS XF45 holders.
Dan, beautiful 07-P. Now that is an AU58 coin and truly shows why Mike is trying to put the set togther in that grade.
As for that 95-S, wasn't me. There were quite a few of you interested in that coin and I can't blame you. However, none of you got the coin. Strange. I bet this coin would have crossed $500 if not $600-700 quite easily. Come on everyone, fess up. What would have been your max bid?
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<< <i>Here's my recent 1907-P from an earlier post. It's a PCGS, AU-58.....a little more luster and alot better strike. The NGC coin looks to have an original skin though, and I bet it has nice underlying luster.
Dan - Now THAT is a nice AU 58 !!!
Craig - Sorry - but the NGC 58 Star Coin - is still a 55 IMHO - too much detail on the obverse for a 53 - let alone for an AU 50. You're right though - its a lousy strike on the reverse.
Everyone - It wasn't I who bid on the 1895-S from DJF - if I had seen it - I'd have bid too.
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Would you like Gold, Silver, Purple, or Pink?
Can you imagine a complete set of barber Halves looking like Dan's 07-P. Wow. I'd never want to get rid of it.
That is what is fun with these Barber Halves. Dan's 07-P in AU58 is beautiful. On the other spectrum, I love Tyler's and Don's Circulated cameos. Then you take a peak at Dr. Pete's gem pieces and all I can say is wow.
Three very different looks but still the same coin.
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<< <i>
...
As for that 95-S, wasn't me. There were quite a few of you interested in that coin and I can't blame you. However, none of you got the coin. Strange. I bet this coin would have crossed $500 if not $600-700 quite easily. Come on everyone, fess up. What would have been your max bid? >>
Craig, it would have been an absolute bloodbath-- I bet between 3 - 4x greysheet. I had n't even digested the idea of bidding on it before it was yanked.
Don
edited to add: I paid dogwood $400.00 for his 95s PCGS F-VF circ cameo last year.
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