<< <i>But apparently five great seasons (Koufax) does. >>
Being arguably the best picture during that time, winning a couple Cy Youngs and WS MVPs, four no-hitters (including a perfect game), and averaging about a 2 ERA can do that sometimes.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Quit making the "so and so" made it so Mattingly deserves to be in arguement. Donnie boy doesn't stack up to the greatest hitters of his time, excepting his great start. The Hall is diluted enough and Mattingly would simply water it down more. Now he apparently didn't have what it takes to be the Yankee skipper so the "Torre" route probably won't sail either. Of course if he plays his cards right and let's Girardi absorb the inevitable failures the next couple of years, he could end up being the guy who saves the Yankees.
Not getting into the Mattingly for HOF debate, but just want to say that it will sure be a shame to see Mattingly in a Dodgers uniform. Sometimes baseball is more than just numbers....
it will sure be a shame to see Mattingly in a Dodgers uniform.
I am a Dodger's fan and it sounds pretty strange to me to picture a Yankee legend in a Dodger uni. However, it's happened before... I believe a guy named Babe Ruth coached for the Dodger's after he retired.
<< <i>it will sure be a shame to see Mattingly in a Dodgers uniform.
I am a Dodger's fan and it sounds pretty strange to me to picture a Yankee legend in a Dodger uni. However, it's happened before... I believe a guy named Babe Ruth coached for the Dodger's after he retired. >>
Very true. The ownership (Yankees) back then dangled the carrot in front of Ruth for quite some time for some type of managerial or front office job after he retired. Some things never change. When you arent needed anymore, better hope you saved for a rainy day...
yeah the yanks p r i ck ed ruth over too just like they did don mattingly.......girardi lol,thats funny,he might be a great manager,and im a big yank fan, but i m not holding my breath!
Mattingly's my favorite player of all time, but I don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. By the way, not sure if someone caught this, but it's inaccurate:
<< <i>.......Mattingly and Lou Gehrig are the only Yankees to have three straight 200-hit seasons...... >>
Jeter's done it not once but twice.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Growing up in Seattle and a life long suffering Mariners fan...I remember going to games to see the other good teams play. My family would always go to the Yankee games just to see Mattingly. He was a hero in Seattle. Three big highlights: Don put a ball halfway up the third deck in the Kingdome, it was just foul, but still the 2nd longest ball I've ever seen hit next to McGwire hitting the back wall of the dome. Second, seeing Don play third base in a late season meaningless game. A lefty at 3rd, it was classic. Third, hearing Mattingly's name brought up day after day as Ken Griffey approached and tied his consecutive homerun streak.
On sentimentality alone I would put Don in the HOF. He really meant something to his team and to baseball. His stats might not stand alone, but his impact on the game is worthy of the HOF.
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<< <i>Growing up in Seattle and a life long suffering Mariners fan...I remember going to games to see the other good teams play. My family would always go to the Yankee games just to see Mattingly. He was a hero in Seattle. Three big highlights: Don put a ball halfway up the third deck in the Kingdome, it was just foul, but still the 2nd longest ball I've ever seen hit next to McGwire hitting the back wall of the dome. Second, seeing Don play third base in a late season meaningless game. A lefty at 3rd, it was classic. Third, hearing Mattingly's name brought up day after day as Ken Griffey approached and tied his consecutive homerun streak.
On sentimentality alone I would put Don in the HOF. He really meant something to his team and to baseball. His stats might not stand alone, but his impact on the game is worthy of the HOF. >>
great post...a perfect example of how Mattingly was loved OUTSIDE of NY also!
thats the first time i heard anyone say "Will Clark had a better career than Mattingly..."
that, is simply not true....Mattingly has 3 MVP finishes in top 5, including a win in 1985, and the biggest Heist is 1986 where he lost to a pitcher...the friggin MVP to a picther, please....only 2006 when Pujols got shafted was worse than that 1986 Mattingly debacle....
<< <i>thats the first time i heard anyone say "Will Clark had a better career than Mattingly..."
that, is simply not true....Mattingly has 3 MVP finishes in top 5, including a win in 1985, and the biggest Heist is 1986 where he lost to a pitcher...the friggin MVP to a picther, please....only 2006 when Pujols got shafted was worse than that 1986 Mattingly debacle.... >>
I know I shouldn't jump back into this debate, but here I go.
First, I think you forgot to include that Will has FOUR top five MVP finishes, compared to Mattingly's three. Will was clearly better than Kevin Mitchell in 1989, the year he finished second.
Oh, one other interesting fact. Baseball-Reference shows Mattingly's most similar players as:
1. Cecil Cooper 2. Wally Joyner 3. Hal McRae 4. Kirby Puckett 5. Garret Anderson 6. Will Clark 7. Jeff Conine 8. Tony Oliva 9. Keith Hernandez 10. Jim Bottomley
How can a guy that keeps that company that impressive NOT be a Hall of Famer? Wow. It boggles the mind.
Dude, the bottom line is you can *love* Don Mattingly just as much as I love Will Clark, whether or not he gets in the Hall of Fame. They were both wonderful, fantastic players. For a few years, they were the best hitters in the game. They just didn't do it well enough or long enough to get elected to the Hall.
Do you really need someone else's vote to justify your having a man-crush on your childhood idol?
To be complete, here are Will's most similar players:
1. Edgar Martinez 2. Cecil Cooper 3. Moises Alou 4. John Olerud 5. Paul O'Neill 6. Bob Johnson 7. Ellis Burks 8. Don Mattingly 9. Bernie Williams 10. Reggie Smith
Though I love Baseball-Reference, they really cant be used as a guide.
Here is who they compare Sandy Koufax to: Rudy May Ken Brett Mickey McDermott Oliver Perez Tom Underwood Mickey McDermott Mickey McDermott Juan Pizarro Jim Maloney Jim Maloney Roger Clemens
It really comes down to whether you want a guy that was sensational for a shorter period of time or a guy who was solid for longer. Kind of like Juan Gonzalez vs. Steve Garvey or something like that. There's definitely something to be said for dominance, but does it take precedence over maintaining a solid career for a long time? That's the debate, and people will pick the side their favorite players are on.
It is actually 13 players in the last 80 years to lead MLB in OPS+ twice
There are other players better than Mattingly not in the Hall-of-Fame. To suggest that Mattingly is worthy is to turn the Hall-of-Fame into something it is not
<< <i>This will be the last time i say this..please try to understand......
Its Called the HALL OF FAME, not the Hall of Accumulated Stats
Mattingly was by far the most Famous Player of his era, so why shouldnt he be in?
Is there a "Minimum Career Numbers" cutoff that i dont know about? >>
Well I'm glad you finally admitted that Mattingly's stats don't match up well with those of other Hall of Famers.
Bo Jackson was pretty damn famous for a few years. Does he get in? What about Mark Fidrych? >>
pretty damn famous doesnt get you in...yoi have to be one the most famous people from the era....That is what Donnie Baseball was...his appeal stretched from coast to coast...
<< <i> pretty damn famous doesnt get you in...yoi have to be one the most famous people from the era....That is what Donnie Baseball was...his appeal stretched from coast to coast... >>
I'd say Bo Jackson was more famous than just about any baseball player in the mid to late 1990s. How many national ad campaigns did Don Mattingly do?
You can keep changing the criteria, or you can just acknowledge that Don Mattingly is: (a) your favorite player, (b) a great baseball player from the 1980s, and (c) not worthy of enshrinement in the baseball Hall of Fame.
I'm pretty confident in saying that Bo Jackson was just about the most widely known person in the country there for a few years. He was a household name in households that didn't even follow baseball. Bo's appeal not only stretched from coast to coast and sport to sport, but it spread beyond sports and into pop culture.
Anyway, "famous" is defined as being widely known; honored for achievement; excellent or first-rate. So, if you want to start inducting people into the Hall of Fame based on semantics and not based upon the widely accepted notion and reality that it is a combination of stats and fame-inducing achievements that get you into the Hall of Fame we should have guys like Bo Jackson, Jose Canseco, and John Rocker in the Hall of Fame too. They all had their moments of being widely known and being recognized for their accomplishments.
To me Don Mattingly is much like Gale Sayers. Look at Sayers numbers and there is no way he should be in any HOF, yet, I believe he was a first ballot HOF in football. Don had a great impact on the game, put up some decent numbers, was well liked, played for one team, has flashes of brilliance etc., etc. In baseball you have two camps...all numbers and all heart. Don is one of those guys that doesn't necessarily appeal to the numbers guys, but sure appeals to the heart guys like me.
Should Bo Jackson be in the HOF, no - neither football or baseball. I base this not on numbers, but just the reality that his great career was cut short. What is the cut off for enough seasons to deserve the HOF I don't know, Bo just didn't play enough...
Being from Seattle it would be great to have Edgar Martinez in the HOF, but it won't make me sad if he doesn't go in. We can debate the whole DH thing, but the reality behind Edgar was he came into the league at an older age, was a poor fielder due to injury and was really only a hitting DH. It think most of us on the Board could have beat him in a foot race.
If I had a vote, I'd vote for Don and take the criticism with a smile.
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Hi...I've been lurking for a bit, but this post is going to bring me out of the woodwork. I grew up in Minnesota and got into card collecting as a kid back in 1986. I saw Kirby Puckett and those fun Twins teams...my neighbor was Kirby's personal bat boy and even travelled with the team.
Mattingly was the king of that generation. No doubt about it. He was the bomb. I loved Mattingly and I eventually scrounged up enough to get one of his 1984 Topps cards. His 1985 Topps card was my favorite card for a while because that's all I could afford. My brothers and I had albums full of our favorite players' cards. I can tell you I had a bigger variety of Mattingly cards than any other player.
I understand all the arguments for and against and my feelings about Mattingly won't change whether or not he eventually gets inducted into the HOF. I was pleasantly surprised at Kirby's enshrinement because I know the shortened career could've kept him out. And, for the record, I would love to see Blyleven get in...doesn't make much sense to me that he hasn't gotten in yet. But, I appreciate that the baseball HOF is selective. I definitely won't be sad if Mattingly gets in some day.
<-- one of those guys who bought way too many 1987 Topps cards for a quarter a pack back in the day. Other than that, I collect Al Kaline cards and any cool Twins cards. And, I love 1958 Topps so the Heritage set this year has sucked me in!
just saw the 2008 HOF ballot, and i got to say Mattingly looks like the best of the bunch...if he doesnt increase his % of 10, i would be amazed....
• Brady Anderson • Harold Baines • Rod Beck • Bert Blyleven • Dave Concepcion • Andre Dawson • Shawon Dunston • Chuck Finley • Travis Fryman • Rich Gossage • Tommy John • David Justice • Chuck Knoblauch • Don Mattingly • Mark McGwire • Jack Morris • Dale Murphy • Robb Nen • Dave Parker • Tim Raines • Jim Rice • Jose Rijo • Lee Smith • Todd Stottlemyre • Alan Trammell
i think as the steroid era continues and less and less players look like Hall material,Mattingly will gain more steam!
"I see at least 10 players from the list above that should get into the hall before donnie baseball."
I don't think Mattingly will get in, nor do I think he should get in. he was a stud for 4 great years, had a few other good years, then was done. I am curious who you think the 10 other players on that list are.?
I'd love to see Dale Murphy, but it won't happen. And i strongly support Trammel and Blylevn.
And Donnie Baseball did go from 9.9% to 15.8%. Still though, miles away from 75%. And with no steroids cloud over him, I have to think that the writers simply think he is not worthy of the HOF.
Jack, Mattingly's % went up this year because the available player pool is very thin, and the eligibile list will seem thinner and thinner every year, especially with the steroid guys getting shut out....Mattingly will seem like a better and better choice every year going forward...
lol. maybe when the talent pool is razor thin Mattingly will sneak in. heck of a ballplayer, several great years, several good years, but doesnt have the career numbers.
I'd put a ball player like dale Murphy in before Mattingly.
Players like Blylevn and Santo should be in before Mattingly.
Dale Murphy has 308 HRs in the 80s, the leader. If he's not in, Mattingly's not in. If Mattingly played 1983-1995, for Montreal, Texas, and Toronto we aren't having this conversation, because he was just a nice little player and some decent at best teams. The fact that he wore pinstripes I think is having an effect on why people want to put him in.
I like your passion for it, I'm sure he was a good teammate (although I did recently read about his son striking his mother or something like that, cops were called - so maybe not father of the year), very nice, good quality player, but Dale Murphy has got to be in, IMHO, before Mattingly.
<< <i>You think Mattingly deserves top billing over Rickey Henderson? >>
First off he'd have to climb over Rickey's ego. I remember an interview with Ted Williams and they brought up Don. Ted thought he had a shot every year for the triple crown. His weakness--Ted replied-"Wade Boggs".
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<< <i>But apparently five great seasons (Koufax) does.
Being arguably the best picture during that time, winning a couple Cy Youngs and WS MVPs, four no-hitters (including a perfect game), and averaging about a 2 ERA can do that sometimes.
Sometimes baseball is more than just numbers....
I am a Dodger's fan and it sounds pretty strange to me to picture a Yankee legend in a Dodger uni. However, it's happened before... I believe a guy named Babe Ruth coached for the Dodger's after he retired.
<< <i>it will sure be a shame to see Mattingly in a Dodgers uniform.
I am a Dodger's fan and it sounds pretty strange to me to picture a Yankee legend in a Dodger uni. However, it's happened before... I believe a guy named Babe Ruth coached for the Dodger's after he retired. >>
Very true.
The ownership (Yankees) back then dangled the carrot in front of Ruth for quite some time for some type of managerial or front office job after he retired.
Some things never change.
When you arent needed anymore, better hope you saved for a rainy day...
<< <i>.......Mattingly and Lou Gehrig are the only Yankees to have three straight 200-hit seasons...... >>
Jeter's done it not once but twice.
On sentimentality alone I would put Don in the HOF. He really meant something to his team and to baseball. His stats might not stand alone, but his impact on the game is worthy of the HOF.
<< <i>Isn't it about time he trimmed those sideburns? >>
i love that episode!
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<< <i>Growing up in Seattle and a life long suffering Mariners fan...I remember going to games to see the other good teams play. My family would always go to the Yankee games just to see Mattingly. He was a hero in Seattle. Three big highlights: Don put a ball halfway up the third deck in the Kingdome, it was just foul, but still the 2nd longest ball I've ever seen hit next to McGwire hitting the back wall of the dome. Second, seeing Don play third base in a late season meaningless game. A lefty at 3rd, it was classic. Third, hearing Mattingly's name brought up day after day as Ken Griffey approached and tied his consecutive homerun streak.
On sentimentality alone I would put Don in the HOF. He really meant something to his team and to baseball. His stats might not stand alone, but his impact on the game is worthy of the HOF. >>
great post...a perfect example of how Mattingly was loved OUTSIDE of NY also!
That doesn't mean he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Will Clark had a better career, and he fell off the ballot after a single year.
Mattingly would have as well, had he played anywhere other than the Bronx.
that, is simply not true....Mattingly has 3 MVP finishes in top 5, including a win in 1985, and the biggest Heist is 1986 where he lost to a pitcher...the friggin MVP to a picther, please....only 2006 when Pujols got shafted was worse than that 1986 Mattingly debacle....
<< <i>thats the first time i heard anyone say "Will Clark had a better career than Mattingly..."
that, is simply not true....Mattingly has 3 MVP finishes in top 5, including a win in 1985, and the biggest Heist is 1986 where he lost to a pitcher...the friggin MVP to a picther, please....only 2006 when Pujols got shafted was worse than that 1986 Mattingly debacle.... >>
I know I shouldn't jump back into this debate, but here I go.
First, I think you forgot to include that Will has FOUR top five MVP finishes, compared to Mattingly's three. Will was clearly better than Kevin Mitchell in 1989, the year he finished second.
Will Clark vs. Don Mattingly
Will's OPS+ is 137
Mattingly's OPS+ is 127
I know you don't want to be swayed by facts, but sometimes I can't help myself.
Further suggested reading:
Will Clark and the HoF
1. Cecil Cooper
2. Wally Joyner
3. Hal McRae
4. Kirby Puckett
5. Garret Anderson
6. Will Clark
7. Jeff Conine
8. Tony Oliva
9. Keith Hernandez
10. Jim Bottomley
How can a guy that keeps that company that impressive NOT be a Hall of Famer? Wow. It boggles the mind.
Dude, the bottom line is you can *love* Don Mattingly just as much as I love Will Clark, whether or not he gets in the Hall of Fame. They were both wonderful, fantastic players. For a few years, they were the best hitters in the game. They just didn't do it well enough or long enough to get elected to the Hall.
Do you really need someone else's vote to justify your having a man-crush on your childhood idol?
To be complete, here are Will's most similar players:
1. Edgar Martinez
2. Cecil Cooper
3. Moises Alou
4. John Olerud
5. Paul O'Neill
6. Bob Johnson
7. Ellis Burks
8. Don Mattingly
9. Bernie Williams
10. Reggie Smith
Here is who they compare Sandy Koufax to:
Rudy May
Ken Brett
Mickey McDermott
Oliver Perez
Tom Underwood
Mickey McDermott
Mickey McDermott
Juan Pizarro
Jim Maloney
Jim Maloney
Roger Clemens
<< <i>Though I love Baseball-Reference, they really cant be used as a guide.
Here is who they compare Sandy Koufax to:
>>
Dude, you're looking at the wrong list. Look at the list of comparable CAREERS, not seasons.
Here's what you get for Koufax. Seems pretty fair to me. A bunch of guys who were really good, but had relatively short careers.
1. Ron Guidry (905)
2. Jack Coombs (885)
3. Ed Reulbach (859)
4. Andy Messersmith (858)
5. Pedro Martinez (857)
6. Mel Stottlemyre (856)
7. Lefty Gomez (856) *
8. Jim Maloney (855)
9. Ed Lopat (853)
10. Dave McNally (852)
i have nothing against Clark (although he sounds like a women when he talks)
I collected will clark cards also, i had about 40 1987 fleer will clarks, wish they were Bonds cards instead....
There are other players better than Mattingly not in the Hall-of-Fame. To suggest that Mattingly is worthy is to turn the Hall-of-Fame into something it is not
Its Called the HALL OF FAME, not the Hall of Accumulated Stats
Mattingly was by far the most Famous Player of his era, so why shouldnt he be in?
Is there a "Minimum Career Numbers" cutoff that i dont know about?
<< <i>This will be the last time i say this..please try to understand......
Its Called the HALL OF FAME, not the Hall of Accumulated Stats
Mattingly was by far the most Famous Player of his era, so why shouldnt he be in?
Is there a "Minimum Career Numbers" cutoff that i dont know about? >>
Well I'm glad you finally admitted that Mattingly's stats don't match up well with those of other Hall of Famers.
Bo Jackson was pretty damn famous for a few years. Does he get in? What about Mark Fidrych?
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<< <i>This will be the last time i say this..please try to understand......
Its Called the HALL OF FAME, not the Hall of Accumulated Stats
Mattingly was by far the most Famous Player of his era, so why shouldnt he be in?
Is there a "Minimum Career Numbers" cutoff that i dont know about? >>
Well I'm glad you finally admitted that Mattingly's stats don't match up well with those of other Hall of Famers.
Bo Jackson was pretty damn famous for a few years. Does he get in? What about Mark Fidrych? >>
pretty damn famous doesnt get you in...yoi have to be one the most famous people from the era....That is what Donnie Baseball was...his appeal stretched from coast to coast...
<< <i>
pretty damn famous doesnt get you in...yoi have to be one the most famous people from the era....That is what Donnie Baseball was...his appeal stretched from coast to coast... >>
I'd say Bo Jackson was more famous than just about any baseball player in the mid to late 1990s. How many national ad campaigns did Don Mattingly do?
You can keep changing the criteria, or you can just acknowledge that Don Mattingly is: (a) your favorite player, (b) a great baseball player from the 1980s, and (c) not worthy of enshrinement in the baseball Hall of Fame.
Trust me, you'll be happier in the end.
Anyway, "famous" is defined as being widely known; honored for achievement; excellent or first-rate. So, if you want to start inducting people into the Hall of Fame based on semantics and not based upon the widely accepted notion and reality that it is a combination of stats and fame-inducing achievements that get you into the Hall of Fame we should have guys like Bo Jackson, Jose Canseco, and John Rocker in the Hall of Fame too. They all had their moments of being widely known and being recognized for their accomplishments.
Should Bo Jackson be in the HOF, no - neither football or baseball. I base this not on numbers, but just the reality that his great career was cut short. What is the cut off for enough seasons to deserve the HOF I don't know, Bo just didn't play enough...
Being from Seattle it would be great to have Edgar Martinez in the HOF, but it won't make me sad if he doesn't go in. We can debate the whole DH thing, but the reality behind Edgar was he came into the league at an older age, was a poor fielder due to injury and was really only a hitting DH. It think most of us on the Board could have beat him in a foot race.
If I had a vote, I'd vote for Don and take the criticism with a smile.
Mattingly was the king of that generation. No doubt about it. He was the bomb. I loved Mattingly and I eventually scrounged up enough to get one of his 1984 Topps cards. His 1985 Topps card was my favorite card for a while because that's all I could afford. My brothers and I had albums full of our favorite players' cards. I can tell you I had a bigger variety of Mattingly cards than any other player.
I understand all the arguments for and against and my feelings about Mattingly won't change whether or not he eventually gets inducted into the HOF. I was pleasantly surprised at Kirby's enshrinement because I know the shortened career could've kept him out. And, for the record, I would love to see Blyleven get in...doesn't make much sense to me that he hasn't gotten in yet. But, I appreciate that the baseball HOF is selective. I definitely won't be sad if Mattingly gets in some day.
Other than that, I collect Al Kaline cards and any cool Twins cards. And, I love 1958 Topps so the Heritage set this year has sucked me in!
<< <i>I really liked Mattingly for those few short years he was a stud.
That doesn't mean he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Will Clark had a better career, and he fell off the ballot after a single year.
Mattingly would have as well, had he played anywhere other than the Bronx. >>
EXACTLY!!!
• Brady Anderson
• Harold Baines
• Rod Beck
• Bert Blyleven
• Dave Concepcion
• Andre Dawson
• Shawon Dunston
• Chuck Finley
• Travis Fryman
• Rich Gossage
• Tommy John
• David Justice
• Chuck Knoblauch
• Don Mattingly
• Mark McGwire
• Jack Morris
• Dale Murphy
• Robb Nen
• Dave Parker
• Tim Raines
• Jim Rice
• Jose Rijo
• Lee Smith
• Todd Stottlemyre
• Alan Trammell
i think as the steroid era continues and less and less players look like Hall material,Mattingly will gain more steam!
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and I am a fan of donnies
Justice is on the list because he was a major leaguer for 10 yrs+ and fit all the criteria.
Steve
I don't think Mattingly will get in, nor do I think he should get in. he was a stud for 4 great years, had a few other good years, then was done. I am curious who you think the 10 other players on that list are.?
I'd love to see Dale Murphy, but it won't happen.
And i strongly support Trammel and Blylevn.
<< <i>I see at least 10 players from the list above that should get into the hall before donnie baseball.
and I am a fan of donnies
Justice is on the list because he was a major leaguer for 10 yrs+ and fit all the criteria.
Steve >>
i like to here what 10 players you have in front of donnie baseball....
/s/ JackWESQ
maybe when the talent pool is razor thin Mattingly will sneak in.
heck of a ballplayer, several great years, several good years, but doesnt have the career numbers.
I'd put a ball player like dale Murphy in before Mattingly.
Players like Blylevn and Santo should be in before Mattingly.
<< <i>You think Mattingly deserves top billing over Rickey Henderson? >>
Maybe he meant top choice of those that won't get 20%? That seems more accurate...
<< <i>looks like mattingly is the top choice on theballot this year filled with steroids guys... >>
Mattingly's not even a GOOD candidate, let alone the top guy above Rickey Henderson.
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STEROID FREE.... BEST OF THE 80's
BEST OPS of the 80's!!!!!
deserves the hall NON CHEATER
I like your passion for it, I'm sure he was a good teammate (although I did recently read about his son striking his mother or something like that, cops were called - so maybe not father of the year), very nice, good quality player, but Dale Murphy has got to be in, IMHO, before Mattingly.
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<< <i>You think Mattingly deserves top billing over Rickey Henderson? >>
First off he'd have to climb over Rickey's ego. I remember an interview with Ted Williams and they brought up Don. Ted thought he had a shot every year for the triple crown. His weakness--Ted replied-"Wade Boggs".
He shouldn't get in