Some Interesting facts on Don Mattingly.....
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Don Mattingly, the new Yankee Bench Coach (Next Manager), was an all time yankee great....he put together 6 (1984-1989) of the best years ever in baseball, and then a back injury (which he played through) zapped him of his strength...
.......Mattingly is the only American Leaguer (6th overall) to collect 230 hits, 100 RBI and 30 HR in a season.....
.......Only player to lead the league in Slugging Percentage and Singles....
.......Mattingly and Lou Gehrig are the only Yankees to have three straight 200-hit seasons......
.......Holds the Major League Record for hitting HR in 8 consecutive games......
.......Holds the All-time Yankee record for Doubles in a season (53).....
.......Holds the Major League single-game record for put-outs(21).....
.......Holds the Major League record for Grand Slams in a season (6).....
.......Was only 1 of 11 Yankee Captains, and paved the way for the 1995-2000 playoff/championship run.....
.......Is one of the most respected and well-liked individuals in baseball today......
......Deserves to be in the HAll Of Fame....
......ps.....if anyone was at game 2, 1995 division series, yankee stadium, you remember this......it was the 15th inning and the rain started to come down...mattingly had earlier hit a HR and the crowd went nuts for a curtain call, but now it was the 15th, and it wasnt Mattinglys turn, his teammates helped win that game and the yanks went to seattle up 2-0.....
...but it was upon leaving the game that night is when i fully understood the importance of Donnie Baseball....The chant of DOnnie Baseball DEM DEM, DEM DEM DEM.....DONNIE BASEBALL DEM DEM, DEM DEM DEM...over and over, the rafters were shaking and people were pounding on the steel gurders..DONNIE BASEBALL DEM DEM , DEM DEM DEM...no matter which direction you choose to exit the stadium that night, thats all you heard...Everyone was on the same wavelength...DONNIE BASEBALL ....that was Mattingly's last HR , and his last curtain call......but what a sendoff it was, because undoubtably he heard the rafters talking......
the new Yankee Stadium that has begun will not be built by Ruth, it was built by Mattingly and the presence he brought to the Bronx that night in 1995, because the yankees went on to lose 3 in seattle....That Yankee Stadium Magic was still alive, and what proceded was perhaps the last great dynasty run we will ever see in sports.....1996-2001......(some look at 2001 as a victory for the yankees)....THE YANKEES HAVE MATTINGLY TO THANK AND STEINBRENNER KNOWS IT.......
.......Mattingly is the only American Leaguer (6th overall) to collect 230 hits, 100 RBI and 30 HR in a season.....
.......Only player to lead the league in Slugging Percentage and Singles....
.......Mattingly and Lou Gehrig are the only Yankees to have three straight 200-hit seasons......
.......Holds the Major League Record for hitting HR in 8 consecutive games......
.......Holds the All-time Yankee record for Doubles in a season (53).....
.......Holds the Major League single-game record for put-outs(21).....
.......Holds the Major League record for Grand Slams in a season (6).....
.......Was only 1 of 11 Yankee Captains, and paved the way for the 1995-2000 playoff/championship run.....
.......Is one of the most respected and well-liked individuals in baseball today......
......Deserves to be in the HAll Of Fame....
......ps.....if anyone was at game 2, 1995 division series, yankee stadium, you remember this......it was the 15th inning and the rain started to come down...mattingly had earlier hit a HR and the crowd went nuts for a curtain call, but now it was the 15th, and it wasnt Mattinglys turn, his teammates helped win that game and the yanks went to seattle up 2-0.....
...but it was upon leaving the game that night is when i fully understood the importance of Donnie Baseball....The chant of DOnnie Baseball DEM DEM, DEM DEM DEM.....DONNIE BASEBALL DEM DEM, DEM DEM DEM...over and over, the rafters were shaking and people were pounding on the steel gurders..DONNIE BASEBALL DEM DEM , DEM DEM DEM...no matter which direction you choose to exit the stadium that night, thats all you heard...Everyone was on the same wavelength...DONNIE BASEBALL ....that was Mattingly's last HR , and his last curtain call......but what a sendoff it was, because undoubtably he heard the rafters talking......
the new Yankee Stadium that has begun will not be built by Ruth, it was built by Mattingly and the presence he brought to the Bronx that night in 1995, because the yankees went on to lose 3 in seattle....That Yankee Stadium Magic was still alive, and what proceded was perhaps the last great dynasty run we will ever see in sports.....1996-2001......(some look at 2001 as a victory for the yankees)....THE YANKEES HAVE MATTINGLY TO THANK AND STEINBRENNER KNOWS IT.......
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His complete career though doesn't really add up to the Hall-Of-Fame.........yet there are others in the Hall-OF-Fame who might shouldn't be there either.
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<< <i>I think most are fans of Donnie Baseball.
His complete career though doesn't really add up to the Hall-Of-Fame.........yet there are others in the Hall-OF-Fame who might shouldn't be there either. >>
I completely agree. Good job lost dart. While Donnie had 6 straight easy Hall of Fame seasons his back injury cost him in the end. He just does not have the substance for Hall consideration. Problem is, there are MANY guys who are in the Hall that Donnie or guys like Jim Rice should be ahead of. Again, that is not to say I think Donnie should be in. It really is a arguement of who shouldn't
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<< <i>GREAT POST FANDANGO!! Mattingly was the crown prince of baseball during his shortened run. A great baseball player and person. He was responsible for the great baseball card industry boom in the mid 80's----- no matter where I traveled throughout this great land, MATTINGLY was loved and respected . As a lifelong fan of the Rangers, I would have reason to not like MATTINGLY-----he killed us...... HOWEVER, his cards and autos became my obsession for along time,,,,, great player and person------- and now soon to be manager and that will likely bring him to the HOF!!!!!!!!!!!!! NICE JOB-------Tony
Tony, that is very interesting, being from New York, it was easy to be a Mattingly fan, but at that time i didnt realize that he was as popular with those across the country....Maybe it was because he was such a good ROLE MODEL, that it transcended team colors....that seems Hall worthy to me!
<< <i>It's time for this debate again? >>
Yeah, really.
Donnie redux? Why not?
Deserves the same air-time as ebay redux threads?
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.......Mattingly is the only American Leaguer (6th overall) to collect 230 hits, 100 RBI and 30 HR in a season.....
.......Only player to lead the league in Slugging Percentage and Singles....
.......Mattingly and Lou Gehrig are the only Yankees to have three straight 200-hit seasons......
.......Holds the Major League Record for hitting HR in 8 consecutive games......
.......Holds the All-time Yankee record for Doubles in a season (53).....
.......Holds the Major League single-game record for put-outs(21).....
.......Holds the Major League record for Grand Slams in a season (6).....
.......Was only 1 of 11 Yankee Captains, and paved the way for the 1995-2000 playoff/championship run.....
.......Is one of the most respected and well-liked individuals in baseball today...... >>
Unfortunately, and I'm going to be perfectly honest here, I care nothing about those statistics. To give you an example, fine, Mattingly holds the Yankee record for doubles in a season. The single season doubles leader is Earl Webb, with 67 for the equally storied Boston Red Sox and he is not getting into the Hall any time soon. And while they are neat feats, they are not Hall of Fame accomplishments. Roger Maris, for 37 years, held the record for most home runs in a single season, the sexiest record in pro-sports but still didn't get in the Hall. I could go on and on about how silly that argument is; Mark Whitten holds a tie for the record for most RBIs in a double header with 13. Who cares?
Again, Grand Slams are really cool, but did that help any of his teams win a championship? No. You bring up the 1995 Yankees, a team that had the Mariners dead to rights in the playoffs and had them out manned and out matched at every corner, but what did Mattingly do in the final three games of the series? Nothing. Now, I know what you will say, he was injured. If you want to put Mattingly in, then we have to put in Albert Belle, Kerry Wood, or any one of countless modern players who could have been huge, but weren't because they were injured. Mark Fydrich anyone? I have no doubts Belle could have reached 500 home runs if he was healthy. But did he do it? No. Mattingly holds quite a few quirky trivia statistics. And that's exactly what they are, trivial.
And again, your last statement holds no ground. If nice guys were going to get in the Hall of Fame, then Dale Murphy would have been in YEARS ago, as he is eons ahead of Mattingly in statistics, won one more MVP, and gave everything to Atlanta and later Philadelphia. You want hard proof? Yes, Mattingly won the Lou Gerhig award, but Murphy not only won that award, but also the Roberto Clemente award for excellence in the community. Should Jamie Moyer go in the hall because he is one of the most respected and well-liked individuals out there? After all, he has done Dale Murphy one better! He has won the Gerhig, Clemente and Hutch awards for community service, and all in one year! The greatest single community service year, ever! The answer is no. Nice guys don't have a free pass to the Hall; don't get me wrong, it helps, Kirby Puckett is a great example, but for every nice guy there are about a dozen ruthless legends like Cobb in the Hall of Fame.
-Ian >>
That is not correct, Mattingly batted .417 that series (10 for 24) with 4 doubles 6 RBI and 1HR...it was the yankee pitching that let them down in that series...Scott Kamienecki couldnt hold a 5-0 lead in the third....that was his lastgame as a yankee that bum! Mattingly did all he could that series ad he looked like the mattingly of 1986 (when he was robbed of a second straight MVP by a pitcher!!!!)
...maybe Mattingly will make it into the Hall as a manager for guiding the yanks to numerous world series titles, but it would be nice for him to be elected through the veterans committee...
He won't be getting voted in - ever - as a player.
He had a nice career, but was great for far too many years to even discuss HoF induction.
The same arguments I hear for Mattingly are the same ones I hear for Munson's induction - and both will never make the hall. As was mentioned above, if mattingly played for any other team besides the yanks, would anyone even mention his name in the same breath as the hall?
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<< <i>Donnie will make the HOF, but not any time soon.....
2007 it'll be Ripken and Gwynn hands down
2008 McGwire and Probably Mattingly, Gossage or Dawson
2009 will be Ricky Henderson >>
Why? What statistical evidence do you have? He has one MVP, played only fourteen seasons, with a .307 batting average, yes, but he only had 222 home runs, only 15 home runs a season in a power position. Gil Hodges was the all-time NL home run leader at first base and STILL is not in. Mattingly averaged 153 hits a season; does that get him in? No. Mattingly went the last seven years of his career without an All-Star game. Baseball-reference.com lists the closest statistical players to him as:
1. Cecil Cooper (934)
2. Garret Anderson (910)
3. Wally Joyner (907)
4. Hal McRae (900)
5. Kirby Puckett (895) *
6. Will Clark (879)
7. Tony Oliva (872)
8. Jeff Conine (868)
9. Keith Hernandez (862)
10. Jim Bottomley (860) *
Two Hall of Famers, and both of them are borderline candidates based on their statistics. That should say enough; if not, please tell my WHY he should be a Hall of Famer rather than just saying he will be.
-Ian >>
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<< <i> That should say enough; if not, please tell my WHY he should be a Hall of Famer rather than just saying he will be.
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Quite simply the Hall of Fame is a popularity contest. Not only that, it is a corrupt vote, hence, Buck O'Niell missed by one vote.....it'll be a shame if he goes into the hall this year or next....it'll be a pity vote.
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Donnie was the essence of everything that is great about the game. Few would debate this. He just didnt do it long enough at the level needed. Intangibles are well and good but not enough to put him over the top.
More than anything, the debate over the hall bothers me in that it stirs up this feeling of inadequecy when discussing his career, and Mattingly as a player, teammate, and person. Is it not enough that the man is revered like no other in NY sports history ? Has what he meant to fans not enough of an acheivement ?
Jim Brown often remarked that he doesnt need to have the accolades of others to know his worth. Maybe we can take a lesson from that when Mattingly conversations come up.
Yankee fans and haters alike have a respect and admiration for the man like few others have ever been handed. Maybe trying to place a value on him as a player and person solely on his HOF credentials do more to slight the man than serve him.
-- Yogi Berra
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There is no way, shape, or form that Don Mattingly is a HOF candidate. Not now, not 10 years from now, not ever. Like many have said, he's a tough guy to dislike (even as a Red Sox fan, I think he was a decent enough player for his short career) - but just because Yankee fans want to automatically induct half of the Yankees to ever play baseball into the HOF - it's just not so.
Grote sums it up just fine here -
<< <i>Mattingly was as dominating as anyone in baseball for about a five year span, but his career just wasn't long enough and his career numbers not impressive enough for serious consideration for the HOF. If it weren't for the back problems, he'd probably have the overall numbers to get in, but as someone said, if Jim Rice (or Andre Dawson for that matter) is not in the HOF, then Mattingly certainly doesn't deserve to be in either. He'll keep getting a handful of votes like he's been getting until his eligibility runs out. >>
Period, end of story. Mattingly, Munson, Bernie Williams, Luis Sojo, whatever - they don't belong in the HOF. Next topic.
With all due respect, you could not be farther from the truth.
I had the immense pleasure of meeting Mattingly many, many times, whether as a 12 yr old before a game seeking an auto, or later on at events. He was always courteous, friendly, and giving of his time. I spent many a summer day as a child at games watching him give as much time as possible to fans, whether is was an auto, or a few kind words.
He explempifies everything you could ever want your child to grow up to be. Way too many people feel this way and have seen it over the years to all be wrong.
As for your small sample size, again, no offense, but I do not believe it for one second. Never in many, many situations have I seen or heard of Mattingly being anything but generous and sincere. I seriously question your source on that, and put no merit in it whatsoever unless more facts of the situation were presented. It very well could be a miserable, demanding witch of a soccer mom who had a bad day, didnt want to be there with her two lousy ingrates of offspring and decided to blame the worlds troubles on the man who was the cause of her missing the day at the spa.
-- Yogi Berra
I can still see the smile on Griffey's face as the team piled up on him at home plate. Also late in the game a minor leage prospect was subbed into the game (ALEX RODRIGUEZ). I asked my buddy is this guy any good. He said he has good potential. Utterly amazing memories. Plus it was cool to see Don Mattingly in person and Paul O'neal who's home run ball was thrown right back into the center field
To think that my MAriners sent Donnie baseball off into the sunset and I witnessed it is also very cool. We mariners fans went crazy out in the parking lots. Everyone was chanting ED-GERRRRRRRRR ED-GERRRRRRRRRRR ED-GERRRRRRRRRRR of course he hit the double that won the game.
<< <i>riccaboni,
With all due respect, you could not be farther from the truth.
I had the immense pleasure of meeting Mattingly many, many times, whether as a 12 yr old before a game seeking an auto, or later on at events. He was always courteous, friendly, and giving of his time. I spent many a summer day as a child at games watching him give as much time as possible to fans, whether is was an auto, or a few kind words.
He explempifies everything you could ever want your child to grow up to be. Way too many people feel this way and have seen it over the years to all be wrong.
As for your small sample size, again, no offense, but I do not believe it for one second. Never in many, many situations have I seen or heard of Mattingly being anything but generous and sincere. I seriously question your source on that, and put no merit in it whatsoever unless more facts of the situation were presented. It very well could be a miserable, demanding witch of a soccer mom who had a bad day, didnt want to be there with her two lousy ingrates of offspring and decided to blame the worlds troubles on the man who was the cause of her missing the day at the spa. >>
I've removed my response. I don't need to fight rudeness with rudeness.
-Ian
<< <i>I was at the 1995 divisional series game 5 in Seattle. Most amazing Baseball sporting event I've ever experienced (MAriners Fan). I'm very thankful for that games memories.
I can still see the smile on Griffey's face as the team piled up on him at home plate. Also late in the game a minor leage prospect was subbed into the game (ALEX RODRIGUEZ). I asked my buddy is this guy any good. He said he has good potential. Utterly amazing memories. Plus it was cool to see Don Mattingly in person and Paul O'neal who's home run ball was thrown right back into the center field
To think that my MAriners sent Donnie baseball off into the sunset and I witnessed it is also very cool. We mariners fans went crazy out in the parking lots. Everyone was chanting ED-GERRRRRRRRR ED-GERRRRRRRRRRR ED-GERRRRRRRRRRR of course he hit the double that won the game. >>
That series saved baseball in Seattle...it was truly an awe-inspiring game...to watch the mariners, who (as was mentioned above) were given no chance to beat the yanks, only to take 3 straight, and to win game 5 in such a heroic way, will be something I remember as well.
Griffey speeding home from first on Edgar's hit....the above mentioned huge grin on Junior's face....priceless.
<< <i>riccaboni,
With all due respect, you could not be farther from the truth.
I had the immense pleasure of meeting Mattingly many, many times, whether as a 12 yr old before a game seeking an auto, or later on at events. He was always courteous, friendly, and giving of his time. I spent many a summer day as a child at games watching him give as much time as possible to fans, whether is was an auto, or a few kind words.
He explempifies everything you could ever want your child to grow up to be. Way too many people feel this way and have seen it over the years to all be wrong.
As for your small sample size, again, no offense, but I do not believe it for one second. Never in many, many situations have I seen or heard of Mattingly being anything but generous and sincere. I seriously question your source on that, and put no merit in it whatsoever unless more facts of the situation were presented. It very well could be a miserable, demanding witch of a soccer mom who had a bad day, didnt want to be there with her two lousy ingrates of offspring and decided to blame the worlds troubles on the man who was the cause of her missing the day at the spa. >>
well said! never do i believe 1 anecdotal story that goes against what i know to be true...i have met mattingly many times, and have seen him up close for many years (had season tickets firstbase field level from 1982-1991), been to many Yankee Fanfares......never had i heard or seen him act in the way you describe....plus when you go to an autograph signing, the player does not set prices..they are usually given 1 set fee, and the promotor sets/collects the money, so it was more likely a greedy promotor, not mattinlgy that charged more....
RICCO, you are mssing the point THE HALL IS NOT STRICLTY ABOUT NUMBERS, its about someones influence on the game, on the fans, and on the franchise Remember, its the Hall of FAME (meaning Famous), not the HAll off Minimum Stat Requirements.....you lessen the value and importance of the HAll of Fame by keeping a great player, person, and role model out.....
-Ian
...Your ignorance and asanine comments...
Pot, kettle, black. Study up, student, for you're in need of some remedial grammar. When you report to class, may as well go ahead and take the chip off your shoulder, too.
Anyhoo, as far as Donnie Baseball's concerned, why not the HOF? Looking back at such personalities as Dizzy Dean, he too was blazingly brilliant for a number of years, but found his career cut short by injury. Yet, the impression he made in his prime proved to be enough - despite not having reached 300 wins, other such milestones, etc.
Mattingly was the best in baseball for a few years. sadly he got hurt and thus does not have the overall stats for induction.
It sorta is a double edge sword. many here cry when a guy plays 20 years and has the stats for induction (and is inducted) that he only made it because he stayed on so long. Here we have a case where a guy doesn't 'hang on' and it is used against him.
With all that said he is 'on the cusp' (IMO) not quite a HOF'r like many others.
Steve
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It sorta is a double edge sword. many here cry when a guy plays 20 years and has the stats for induction (and is inducted) that he only made it because he stayed on so long. Here we have a case where a guy doesn't 'hang on' and it is used against him.
Steve >>
This is why Bill James, in the (first) Historical Baseball Abstract, has TWO lists ranking players at each position. He ranks them on "peak" value and "career" value. Mattingly had a great peak, but it was for a limited number of years and his decline was swift.
Why can't we just appreciate our favorites and not get caught up in the HoF chances? I'm a huge Will Clark fan, and I'm quite disappointed that he didn't receive more votes for the Hall, but you'll never once see me arguing that he really belongs. (Honestly, he and Mattingly are pretty darn similar in a lot of respects, and anyone that thinks one should be in the Hall should have to either accept the other or provide a rational argument distinguishing them.)
<< <i>...You're ignorance...
...Your ignorance and asanine comments...
Pot, kettle, black. Study up, student, for you're in need of some remedial grammar. When you report to class, may as well go ahead and take the chip off your shoulder, too.
Anyhoo, as far as Donnie Baseball's concerned, why not the HOF? Looking back at such personalities as Dizzy Dean, he too was blazingly brilliant for a number of years, but found his career cut short by injury. Yet, the impression he made in his prime proved to be enough - despite not having reached 300 wins, other such milestones, etc. >>
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He was once regarded as the best player in baseball by many many writers, experts, players, and fans.
I think he will eventually get into the HOF--if with the veterans committee, so be it. He will have his chance as manager of the Yankees and I think his leadership skills and knowledge of the game will carry him and his team far. If his managerial career proves to be very good, then that's what the veteran's committee will also take into account. This is how Joe Torre is going to get voted in eventually. The committee will weigh his playing years and managerial years and vote based on the entire baseball career.
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Mattingly was the best in baseball for a few years. sadly he got hurt and thus does not have the overall stats for induction.
It sorta is a double edge sword. many here cry when a guy plays 20 years and has the stats for induction (and is inducted) that he only made it because he stayed on so long. Here we have a case where a guy doesn't 'hang on' and it is used against him.
With all that said he is 'on the cusp' (IMO) not quite a HOF'r like many others.
Steve >>
He's far from the 'cusp' as you so eloquently put it.
And there's a difference between dominating for a good long time, than someone who just kinda hung around for a couple decades (i.e. blyleven).
Neither belong in the hall.
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-Ian >>
please tell me he is kidding....
as far as martinez?
axhole I love how you just have to follow me around and reply to every post i make.
get a life.
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