<< <i> I would not buy a safe, it is too inviting to be robbed. The safest way to play it is leave everything outside the home. >>
Why no safe? I am not really doubting your advice, but what exactly do you mean? The theif might see it being delivered/ see it from a window? I ask because I was thinking of getting one, and unfortunately you have first-hand experience with the matter.
I was hoping to hear a pleasant update to this story, glad you got most of your stuff back, sorry to hear about the coins though…my safe is bolted down to the floor from inside the box, you’d need a fork lift to get it up off the floor.
A bit of common sense by our City’s Founding Fathers...our city passed an ordinance banning all local pawn shops from buying ANY United States currency or anything minted by the US Mint, period. Since pawn shops are licensed by the city they can be held accountable for stolen merchandise i.e.; loose their license to operate. It has worked out well, the perps now have to travel to a larger city to get rid of any stolen coins/currency.
Note: The local Coin Dealers can spot heisted merchandise, security cams helped to identify an accomplice in a local burglary. Over half the coins were recovered…the other coins, never found.
I fail to understand your reluctance to get a safe. They make extremely secure safes, very heavy, and can be bolted to the floor. No 'druggie' or amateur will ever get into a quality safe. Mine weighs 750 lbs - empty, and is about 1500 lbs as it sits full of my possessions. I sleep well, vacation several times a year - without concern. Cheers, RickO
You and the police might pursue getting back the 1898 Indian proof thru PCGS. They know the registry number for the latest submission and your original number. Purhaps their records or pictures could confirm it is the same coin in which case you might recover it. Good luck. Steve
"Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>"
Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO
Boy kills intruder 14-year-old fires once, hits man in head
Published: October 10, 2006 Police said a 14-year-old boy was defending himself and his mother when he shot and killed an intruder Monday afternoon at their home on (delete). Capt. John (delete) said the 14-year-old boy, whose name was not released, was home from school after becoming ill, and his 46-year-old mother, Rose (delete), had just returned from the grocery store when she was confronted by a man with a knife. Cmdr. (delete) confirmed during a news conference that police received a call from one of the residents of (delete) Drive at 12:55 p.m. and responded to a report of a man tying them up and holding them at knifepoint. The man, only identified as a (delete) man in his 30s or 40s, led the mother and son to the upstairs master bedroom, where he bound their hands with men's ties and ransacked the house for valuables. "He packed up her SUV in the garage with those items. He threatened to kill them repeatedly," Houston said. After the robber caught the woman trying to untie herself once, she was able to free herself and her son and find her husband's pistol in a security box under the bed. She tried to shut double doors to the bedroom as the man tried to push them open and her son held the gun. “She was using all her strength to push them,” (deleted) said, adding that the boy aimed at the man through a space in the door and fired one shot. “He shot once and hit him in the head, killing him instantly,” (delete) said. “He took a life-saving measure to save his mother and himself.” Soon after the incident, police cars lined (delete) Drive near the house, which is between (delete) and (delete) Avenue, and neighbors stood nearby watching officers investigate. (delete) said police also are investigating the possibility the man had an accomplice because neighbors reported seeing two (delete) men in a green 1970s four-door sedan, possibly a Lincoln Continental, driving slowly around the neighborhood a couple hours before the incident.
<< <i>"Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>"
Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO >>
I wouldn't necessarily classify someone who didn't want to see a loved one blown away a weenie. Protecting one's family and property is certainly admirable, and nothing brings a smile to my face quicker than hearing of a burglar shot by a homeowner, but sometimes situations arise where people get taken by surprise, guns and training or not. In other words, sh*t happens.
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I called PCGS but did not make any headway with the rep. They said they cannot give out information as to any submission, bla bla bla. Maybe there are higher ups who can at least tell me if it was sent in by someone in Chicago, which is where the pawn shop is located, but she could not do anything for me.
If anyone is interested I would PM you the name of the pawn shop. The local Chicago police and Chicago Pawnshop liason have this place in their targets.
Having some large safe in a home is a clear advertisement: "Look at this big safe - I probably have something valuable in it -why else would I have one??!". Someone pulls out a gun and demands you open it, I don't care who you are - you will open it.
No one will pull a gun on me because they see a safe and want to know what's in it.
It's "safe" to say, there will never be a safe to see!!!
A friend was telling me he has a decoy safe in his closet and a real safe elswhere in the house. He keeps crapola in the decoy. Pretty clever I thought.
<< <i>A friend was telling me he has a decoy safe in his closet and a real safe elswhere in the house. He keeps crapola in the decoy. Pretty clever I thought. >>
Best to get any coin deliveries at a U .S . post office box..not home address..These crooks can add up that expensive items are being delivered home .
<< <i>"Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>"
Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO >>
ricko, it would be nice for you to say about these enforcement techniques------------------------BigE
BigE, These techniques are learned by attending classes (I have over 330 hours with a top level defense/shooting trainer) and diligent practice. These training courses are attended by police, lawyers, doctors and an entire cross section of the American populace. To attempt description on a forum board would be futile. Demonstration and practice are necessary. This training includes extensive sessions on the law and legal parameters surrounding situations that require protection of self, family or those in harm's way. I recommend such training for anyone interested in proper techniques of defense and the law pertaining to these issues. I would offer the names of such training organizations for those interested if they request it by PM. Cheers, RickO
You should get some covert cameras. Having a photo of the clown makes it so much easier to snag him. I've got a little setup that works great. Just set it and forget it. If you have a problem just go to it and review. Totally worth the $$$.
I know how you feel. I was hit hard about 2-3 months ago. I set up a seperate PCGS registry and put all my stolen PCGS coins in it. That way they can not be added by anyone else without my knowing about it. I do have a police report with the PCGS numbers attached to it. That way if any of the coins are seen on ebay or some poor soul buys them and tries to add them to the registry, I have an outside chance of recouping a coin or two. Most importantly, I bought a better safe and had an alarm system installed. Other than that, I just had to accept the loss....that took a while.
As I collect 1898 Proof and MS coins - the coin you had stolen will be permanently in my memory bank and if I see it offered anywhere, I'll let you know.
Sorry for your loss.
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<< <i>You should get some covert cameras. Having a photo of the clown makes it so much easier to snag him. I've got a little setup that works great. Just set it and forget it. If you have a problem just go to it and review. Totally worth the $$$. >>
Or...you could hide in the closet dressed like this...pop out and do a couple of hip thrusts...the perp would take one look, wildly run from your home screaming like a banshee!
Sorry about your loss. I see that coin was not in the Heritage archives and TT has no history of selling one in that grade. My suggestion is to contact Rick Snow to see if that particular piece had passed through his or the hands of someone he knows where a detailed photograph would be available. Look to where you bought it to find that perhaps in the trail there. Unfortunately, PCGS didn't image it apparently. In any event, if you can find better images of the particular coin, get it to the top three or four TPGs to watch for it. If it gets cracked, someone will definitely submit it sooner than later unless it goes directly to a raw album collector, which is fairly unlikely. Good luck!
<< <i>You should get some covert cameras. Having a photo of the clown makes it so much easier to snag him. I've got a little setup that works great. Just set it and forget it. If you have a problem just go to it and review. Totally worth the $$$. >>
Or...you could hide in the closet dressed like this...pop out and do a couple of hip thrusts...the perp would take one look, wildly run from your home screaming like a banshee! >>
Maybe you guys don't understand. The population of the 1898 prd67rd just went up by one. What are the odds of that? Obviously, the coin was cracked out and submitted to pcgs. I wish I could find out who submitted the coin, because if I can trace it the pawn shop owner that would be my only proof he lied to the police about not buying it.
If the value of the stolen coin is over $2000 it might be considered a felony with Interstate complications i.e.; local police could contact the FBI, but they are busy tracking down killers and such. Maybe they'd put a rookie on the case? In any case, you got one long row to hoe...we'll keep tabs.
<< <i>Maybe you guys don't understand. The population of the 1898 prd67rd just went up by one. What are the odds of that? Obviously, the coin was cracked out and submitted to pcgs. I wish I could find out who submitted the coin, because if I can trace it the pawn shop owner that would be my only proof he lied to the police about not buying it. >>
It's by no means a given that it's the same coin. If yours was cracked out (we don't even know if that's the case), there is no assurance that is was submitted, much less that it would have received the same grade again.
I would suggest contacting PCGS again. While they understandably might not provide specific information regarding the submission of the newly graded PR67, they still might be able to tell you something helpful, one way or another. For example, maybe it was an up-grade of an example which was previously graded PR66.
Hard to say. It could be your coin that got cracked and resubmitted because someone tried for an upgrade, it could have been one of the other 6 that got cracked and resubmitted, it could be a 66 that got upgraded, or it could actually be a new specimen.
Contact Ron Guth trough PM or e-mail, or maybe even better give him a call. Tell your story and give him a link to his thread. I'm sure he can do something about it, as customer services will always tell you the same story: we can't give any information about the coins we are grading.
Hope you will find the coins back, as the IHC seems very nice.
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<< <i> I would not buy a safe, it is too inviting to be robbed. The safest way to play it is leave everything outside the home. >>
Why no safe? I am not really doubting your advice, but what exactly do you mean? The theif might see it being delivered/ see it from a window? I ask because I was thinking of getting one, and unfortunately you have first-hand experience with the matter.
A bit of common sense by our City’s Founding Fathers...our city passed an ordinance banning all local pawn shops from buying ANY United States currency or anything minted by the US Mint, period. Since pawn shops are licensed by the city they can be held accountable for stolen merchandise i.e.; loose their license to operate. It has worked out well, the perps now have to travel to a larger city to get rid of any stolen coins/currency.
Note: The local Coin Dealers can spot heisted merchandise, security cams helped to identify an accomplice in a local burglary. Over half the coins were recovered…the other coins, never found.
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and they're cold.
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<< <i>…my safe is bolted down to the floor from inside the box, you’d need a fork lift to get it up off the floor. >>
Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
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<< <i>…my safe is bolted down to the floor from inside the box, you’d need a fork lift to get it up off the floor. >>
Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>
True, but most burglaries occur when no one is home.
If someone holds a gun to smoeone, it is no longer just a burglary, and the penalties become far stiffer (in theory at least).
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO
Kinda OT to the OP, but this just happened:
Boy kills intruder
14-year-old fires once, hits man in head
Published: October 10, 2006
Police said a 14-year-old boy was defending himself and his mother when he shot and killed an intruder Monday afternoon at their home on (delete). Capt. John (delete) said the 14-year-old boy, whose name was not released, was home from school after becoming ill, and his 46-year-old mother, Rose (delete), had just returned from the grocery store when she was confronted by a man with a knife.
Cmdr. (delete) confirmed during a news conference that police received a call from one of the residents of (delete) Drive at 12:55 p.m. and responded to a report of a man tying them up and holding them at knifepoint.
The man, only identified as a (delete) man in his 30s or 40s, led the mother and son to the upstairs master bedroom, where he bound their hands with men's ties and ransacked the house for valuables.
"He packed up her SUV in the garage with those items. He threatened to kill them repeatedly," Houston said.
After the robber caught the woman trying to untie herself once, she was able to free herself and her son and find her husband's pistol in a security box under the bed. She tried to shut double doors to the bedroom as the man tried to push them open and her son held the gun.
“She was using all her strength to push them,” (deleted) said, adding that the boy aimed at the man through a space in the door and fired one shot.
“He shot once and hit him in the head, killing him instantly,” (delete) said. “He took a life-saving measure to save his mother and himself.”
Soon after the incident, police cars lined (delete) Drive near the house, which is between (delete) and (delete) Avenue, and neighbors stood nearby watching officers investigate.
(delete) said police also are investigating the possibility the man had an accomplice because neighbors reported seeing two (delete) men in a green 1970s four-door sedan, possibly a Lincoln Continental, driving slowly around the neighborhood a couple hours before the incident.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>"Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>"
Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO >>
I wouldn't necessarily classify someone who didn't want to see a loved one blown away a weenie. Protecting one's family and property is certainly admirable, and nothing brings a smile to my face quicker than hearing of a burglar shot by a homeowner, but sometimes situations arise where people get taken by surprise, guns and training or not. In other words, sh*t happens.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
If anyone is interested I would PM you the name of the pawn shop. The local Chicago police and Chicago Pawnshop liason have this place in their targets.
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No one will pull a gun on me because they see a safe and want to know what's in it.
It's "safe" to say, there will never be a safe to see!!!
<< <i>A friend was telling me he has a decoy safe in his closet and a real safe elswhere in the house. He keeps crapola in the decoy. Pretty clever I thought. >>
Best to get any coin deliveries at a U .S . post office box..not home address..These crooks can add up that expensive items are being delivered home .
Hope it all turns out well for you...Leo
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<< <i>"Doesn't matter. All a thief would need to do is hold a gun to your head or worse, a loved ones head, and you would open your bolted-down safe. >>"
Of course you are assuming people act like sheep and submit willingly to such atrocities. Some may.. for those I recommend they either do not collect valuables or place them on the front porch for easy, risk free acquisiton by the trolls. For myself, and those I choose to associate with, it would not be as simple. In my circle, and that includes females, we are trained in defense of loved ones, self and property. Miscreants that would dare the atrocity either end up in custody or worse (history bears this out). No weenies here. Cheers, RickO >>
ricko, it would be nice for you to say about these enforcement techniques------------------------BigE
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These techniques are learned by attending classes (I have over 330 hours with a top level defense/shooting trainer) and diligent practice. These training courses are attended by police, lawyers, doctors and an entire cross section of the American populace. To attempt description on a forum board would be futile. Demonstration and practice are necessary. This training includes extensive sessions on the law and legal parameters surrounding situations that require protection of self, family or those in harm's way. I recommend such training for anyone interested in proper techniques of defense and the law pertaining to these issues. I would offer the names of such training organizations for those interested if they request it by PM. Cheers, RickO
Most importantly, I bought a better safe and had an alarm system installed. Other than that, I just had to accept the loss....that took a while.
I feel terrible for you. Its such a violation.
As I collect 1898 Proof and MS coins - the coin you had stolen will be permanently in my memory bank and if I see it offered anywhere, I'll let you know.
Sorry for your loss.
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<< <i>You should get some covert cameras. Having a photo of the clown makes it so much easier to snag him. I've got a little setup that works great. Just set it and forget it. If you have a problem just go to it and review. Totally worth the $$$. >>
Or...you could hide in the closet dressed like this...pop out and do a couple of hip thrusts...the perp would take one look, wildly run from your home screaming like a banshee!
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
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<< <i>You should get some covert cameras. Having a photo of the clown makes it so much easier to snag him. I've got a little setup that works great. Just set it and forget it. If you have a problem just go to it and review. Totally worth the $$$. >>
Or...you could hide in the closet dressed like this...pop out and do a couple of hip thrusts...the perp would take one look, wildly run from your home screaming like a banshee!
Cashback from Mr. Rebates
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>Maybe you guys don't understand. The population of the 1898 prd67rd just went up by one. What are the odds of that? Obviously, the coin was cracked out and submitted to pcgs. I wish I could find out who submitted the coin, because if I can trace it the pawn shop owner that would be my only proof he lied to the police about not buying it. >>
It's by no means a given that it's the same coin. If yours was cracked out (we don't even know if that's the case), there is no assurance that is was submitted, much less that it would have received the same grade again.
I would suggest contacting PCGS again. While they understandably might not provide specific information regarding the submission of the newly graded PR67, they still might be able to tell you something helpful, one way or another. For example, maybe it was an up-grade of an example which was previously graded PR66.
Hope you will find the coins back, as the IHC seems very nice.
Dennis
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