And for those of you who are just now joining us on page 2:
The orginal proposal:
"Do you want to make an avatar/icon bet that Bush does not get more money (overal contract and guaranteed) than Williams?
Yes or no."
To which I get the following responses:
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money." "No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars." "Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well." "It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet." "Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?" "either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off." "Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
To which Tinkerbell comes full circle and says:
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
And this is after the following insults (not including all of them since that's all Tinkerbell says):
"what, are you chickening out?" "or the forum will know what a crybaby you truly are." "so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet." "CHICKEN" "it's ok, we all know you're a whiny little wimp - your cowering from this bet just PROVES it." "Get lost, twerp. You're a fraud." "If you aren't saying yes to this bet, then be quiet little man." "chicken chit." "either accept it or chicken out." "you're being the coward here little man." "Get lost chicken chit." "Too bad stown's all talk and no action." "stownie's a coward."
BEST. OWNAGE. EVER.
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How about right here, right now settle this. Bottom line Mario Williams from signing bonus up to final year of said contract VS Bush signing bonus up to final year contract (If he signs this year) Either agree or disagree, no sense in continuing this banter.
I really dont think Bush will sit out the year, he wants $$$$$$$$ and the Saints want their freakin first round pick in camp. Not picking sides and I shouldn't stick my nose in your bussiness but agree to the bottom line #'s or move on and bash each other on something different.
<< <i>How about right here, right now settle this. Bottom line Mario Williams from signing bonus up to final year of said contract VS Bush signing bonus up to final year contract (If he signs this year) Either agree or disagree, no sense in continuing this banter.
I really dont think Bush will sit out the year, he wants $$$$$$$$ and the Saints want their freakin first round pick in camp. Not picking sides and I shouldn't stick my nose in your bussiness but agree to the bottom line #'s or move on and bash each other on something different. >>
Until just a couple of hours ago, she refused to count gauranteed money without any explination. I was, as he stated, "a COWARD" (along with other bad words) for suggesting it.
The easiest way would be how I first outlined it:
1) The Saints must sign Bush to a Contract which will exceed $54,000,000 with a signing bonus in excess of $26,500,000. 2) The loser must keep the avatar/icon of the winner's choice for the entire football season. Said avatar/icon cannot violate CU's TOS
Tinkerbell whined and moaned about the guarantee part, even though he came back full circle and said that's a part of total money...
Anywho...
I couldn't make it more simple for him. Bush signs for $54,000,001 with $26,500,001 guaranteed, period. Tinkerbell whined saying these were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many provisions.
Makes sense, no?
Well Tinkerbell's brain can't get past 1st gear, so he just goes around and around and around chasing his tail and eventually comes back EXACTLY WHERE WE STARTED.
I mean, for all of the yapping he did, this has to be the funniest thread I've ever participated on. I have never, ever seen a flip-flop this bad in my entire life. Kerry's "I was for the war before I was against it" or whatever doesn't even hold a candle to what Tinkerbell did.
I mean, it just gets better and better. I wonder how she's going to spin this
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Oh and regarding the incentive part. If you include it, the bet becomes open-ended. Hypothetically, Bush's Contract with incentives comes out to $60M. However, none of the incentives are reached; therefore, the Contract is only worth $50M. Our wager would have to continue until all of the incentives, for both players mind you, are reached which may be 6 years down the road.
You can't just do base salary because base means squat in the NFL. You can be cut at any time and not get paid. You sign for $100M without any gaurantees and get cut the next day, you are owed nothing, nada, ziltch.
The only way to make this a legit bet for this year and this year only, would HAVE to be:
1) Guaranteed money, only 2) Both base salary and guaranteed money
You can't get any simpler than that, Tinkerbell.
Pick one or quit yapping.
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God, this bickering back and forth between Ax & stown, et al is absolutely comical at this point. I think PSA should create a separate board for these guys to post on!
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<< <i>God, this bickering back and forth between Ax & stown, et al is absolutely comical at this point. I think PSA should create a separate board for these guys to post on! >>
I stopped posting to his ridiculous posts a while back...he's hard up for attention obviously. If you look at the number of his posts in a row without a response by me, you'll see he's out of his mind.
I moved on from this ridiculous bet days ago, yet stown feels the need to continue to drag it out.
Hopefully a mod will lock this thread, there's nothing else to see here.
<< <i>Look and see how many times I offered a straight up bet: most money ever. Being the yellow, cowardly punk you are, tried to throw in 'guaranteed money' and other such nonsense to turn the odds even more in your favor. I refused. >>
Which evolves into...
<< <i>Good god man are you really that dumb?
Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives.
How f'ing dense are YOU that you couldn't understand this very basic point, nitwit?
Get lost. I can't help that you are so DENSE that you can't understand what TOTAL CONTRACT DOLLARS mean.
OWNED like the 2 dollar ho you are. >>
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<< <i>Hopefully a mod will lock this thread, there's nothing else to see here. >>
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Tinkerbell is going to go tell the mods like the Cindy Brady she is.
You want the proof of your total and complete ownage vanished, don't you?
Is steam coming out of your ears?
Have you feebly pounded your fists on your keyboard?
Have you turned bright red yet?
If this thread disappears, EVERYONE will know it's because you ran to the mod
You got slapped silly, proven to be a flip-flopper and a coward, and now seen as the whiny baby you truely are.
If you want to chicken out of the wager, Tinkerbell, that's fine. Stop bringing it up in other threads.
Well if that's the case, back on topic:
Bush still hasn't denied reports of him possibly holding out this season. What a classless chump.
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Bush talks 'proceeding on a normal course' But Saints GM, Bush's agent mum about contract details Tuesday, July 25, 2006 By Mike Triplett The Saints' contract talks with tailback Reggie Bush are "proceeding on a normal course," according to General Manager Mickey Loomis.
But, with only two of the NFL's 32 first-round draft picks having signed contracts, the "normal course" almost certainly will take the negotiations into next week, if not longer.
Neither Loomis nor Bush's agent, Joel Segal, would comment on details of the negotiations. But history and common sense dictate that Bush won't be in Jackson, Miss., when the Saints report for training camp Thursday evening.
Last year, seven first-round draft picks had agreed to contracts heading into the first full weekend of NFL training camps. The top five picks in the draft signed on July 26, Aug. 15, Aug. 11, Aug. 29 and July 29, respectively.
A report on Yahoo.com last week cited a league source as saying Bush has toyed with the idea of sitting out the entire season if his contract demands are not met, but that scenario seems unlikely.
Bush, who has already secured several million dollars in national endorsement deals, could risk damaging his popularity if he skips the entire season. And he has already been putting down roots in New Orleans, both through his charity work and the purchase of a $1.8 million riverfront condo downtown.
Still, the Saints certainly won't get off cheaply. Bush was almost universally rated as the No. 1 prospect in April's draft before the Houston Texans made the surprising decision to take defensive end Mario Williams instead. So Bush likely will seek a deal that approaches Williams' six-year, $54 million contract, with a reported $26.5 million in guaranteed money over the first two years.
The Saints have agreed to contracts with four of their eight draft picks so far. They still need to work out deals with Bush, second-round pick Roman Harper, fourth-rounder Jahri Evans and sixth-rounder Mike Hass.
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Bush still hasn't signed and Tinkerbell pulls the biggest flip-flop ever
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<< <i>"Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well."
lmao
Steve >>
Anyhoo...
Back on topic, they were talking on the radio this morning about the draft. Per sources in the organization, the Texans came to general terms with both Bush and Mario. They asked Kubiak who he wanted and of course, it was Mario.
And an interesting tidbit was also brought to light. Allegedly, the reason no other teams attempted to trade up and get Bush was because of his lies regarding the house his family was living in last year. Had he just been up front about the situation, everyone would have understood... Very interesting
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<< <i>...but the news emerging this week that Bush could hold out the entire upcoming season, a rumor that crashed into cyberspace just as New Orleans Saints training camp nears, reeks of an agent ploy to put pressure on the team. Maybe the agent did not leak it directly. Maybe the agent did not leak it at all. There is just something about this that smells of attempted manipulation and high-intensity spin.
If Bush's people indeed are responsible for the threat becoming public, they are kidding, right? Contemplate holding out? For the season? Do they realize what team drafted him? Do they understand what city he is in? Do they comprehend that such threats -- as empty as they may be -- make Bush resemble a millionaire prince complaining to housekeepers that his tea is too tepid? >>
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The whole idea of these first rounders holding out is a bunch of crap if you ask me, if Im a coach and a rookie fails to show up for camp because of a hold out then make him miss the season. Mario Williams was signed sealed and delivered before he was officially drafted so whether you agree with Houston picking him or not it sounds like they saved themselves a bunch of BS.
<< <i>Young, the third overall pick in April's NFL Draft, agreed to a five-year deal with an option year. The overall value of the contract could be worth as much as $58 million, and it includes $25.7 million in guaranteed money. The value of Young's deal exceeds the contract signed by the NFL's No. 1 pick, defensive end Mario Williams. >>
Saints start training camp in 2 hours and Bush is still nursing his ego
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Bush knows he deserves to be the highest paid player in this draft, and he's going to hold out until he gets paid.
Not ego, its called business.
Just because some people are willing to sign whatever offer they are given doesn't mean everyone is that gullible. He knows the Saints need him a lot more than he needs them. He won't sit out any games - the saints will give in to his demands.
Bush is great from college, but alas he's only a running back. There are 4 guys I'd gladly pay more than Bush, and the Saints already have some WR's and a solid RB. Bush may be the next perfect flakbak(ala Marshall Faulk) but, then again he could be a bust, he won't be running away from NFL players that's for sure.
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He has the speed, and a second gear once he gets to the second level that will leave defenders behind, just like he did in college.
The saints know this, its why they are willing to negotiate with him...if they didn't think he had the skill set to be very, very special, they'd tell him to get lost.
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And for someone who supposedly despises Reggie Bush, you sure do post a lot about him.
I think it's apparent you wish your Texans had drafted him instead of Williams...otherwise, why else would you care so much about what this guy is doing?
I'm not going to answer that because you have to many provisions to cover your rear.
I was for guarantees before I was against guarantees.
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I just reread this thread and I encourage everyone, including you Tinkerbell, to do the same.
First clear your mind.
Look how the thread transpired... How he took several shots at me while I don't even respond.
Then see how it all evolves and comes full circle. It really is worth the <10 minute read
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Like threatening to sit out the season? Yeah, I would call that pretty nasty
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<< <i>And for someone who supposedly despises Reggie Bush, you sure do post a lot about him.
I think it's apparent you wish your Texans had drafted him instead of Williams...otherwise, why else would you care so much about what this guy is doing? >>
Kind of like you and the Yankees eh? Your the last guy that can talk about man crushes.
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Bush needs to hold out for as long as possible to max his payday.
As I heard on TV, there are people living in poverty in every city, why should that be used as an excuse by Saints ownership why he should take a lesser deal?
The teams already have such an advantage - cutting people at will, etc. that maxing his contract is take a stand for the players against greedy and overcompensated ownership.
If he needs to sit out all year to accomplish this - more power to him.
I honestly think the Saint's ownership will cave in. I mean, for them to even have drafted Bush was a coup de tat. Let's face it, they really lucked out. I personally didn't think it was the best possible pick for the team as it is structured pre draft(I would've traded down and picked up Vernon Davis; but hey that's me) but he was the best available at the pick. Needless to say, this team has the ability to be truely explosive with Deuce, Reggie, Joe horn, Stallworth, and IF Brees can actually throw it when it isn't a contract year. Who knowsabout that last part. But compared to Brooks...lol, Brooks is a bum.
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<< <i>I honestly think the Saint's ownership will cave in. I mean, for them to even have drafted Bush was a coup de tat. Let's face it, they really lucked out. I personally didn't think it was the best possible pick for the team as it is structured pre draft(I would've traded down and picked up Vernon Davis; but hey that's me) but he was the best available at the pick. Needless to say, this team has the ability to be truely explosive with Deuce, Reggie, Joe horn, Stallworth, and IF Brees can actually throw it when it isn't a contract year. Who knowsabout that last part. But compared to Brooks...lol, Brooks is a bum. >>
I lived in Pensacola, FL for 6 months last year during the Katrina event. Got a chance to listen to New Orleans radio every day.
This one fact must be considered. Tom Benson, the owner is one wacky SOB. He is unpredictable and wouldn't think twice about letting Bush sit out.
Hell, the team would probably be gone already if the NFL had not stepped in.
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Pensacola is in the western panhandle, ten miles from Alabama, three hours from New Orleans.
Wildwood I think is in the peninsula, basically a little northwest of Orlando.
My permanent home is on the Southwest coast, pretty much halfway between Tampa and Miami.
BTW topps - I'm waiting to hear about the Eagles - Giants tickets. My partner is going to only one game this year and usually takes the home opener which is the Giants. If he takes another game then I can sell them to you. I should hear in a few days - the tickets are being sent out this week.
<< <i>the tickets are being sent out this week. >>
I got mine on Thursday
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Awesome news!!! My brother lives in the WildWood area and I'm planning to move down to FLA once my college and apprenticeship are finished. That's a good 5 years down the road though. Also, I might be interested in a Philly/DC game only IF the Giants game isn't available. My buddy has a skybox at FedEx field so I figure with him hooking me up, I'll get him something that we'll go to out of my pocket. But hopefully, I can snag the Gints tics. Man I can't wait for the NFL to startup.
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I think one fact that we have failed to consider here is that Bush and his crew negotiated with Houson before the draft and could not reach an agreement, which may have been the real reason for the Texans not draftng him.
From profootballtalk.com on the Bush signing-
"The real question is the actual value of the contract. As one league insider told us after news broke that the Bush contract would be sandwiched between the value of the package given to Young and No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams, "We'll soon see how much money [Joel] Segal cost Bush by not taking the money the Texans were willing to pay to the top pick."
From what I've heard, there were a lot of moving parts. We came to general terms with Williams and Bush but our Owner had some issues with Bush not coming clean regarding the house his family was living in for free last year. Also, they asked who Kubes (an offensive minded coach) wanted and without hesitation, he said Mario. And finally was his durability. As highlighted numerous times through out this thread, Bush has never been an every down player.
All things considered, we decided to pass on the "sexy" pick and took Mario.
I don't care about jersey sales, endorsements, or hype. Defense wins championships.
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So did the Rams.^^ With easily a more potent offense than their underrated defense. Bush could be great. But those same words COULD be said for more than 2 whole draft rounds. Who knows, I didn't like the Williams pick b/c(I live in the DC/MD area so ACC is like...all I see xecpt my required ND games) he was prone to not showing up against the big guys in the conference. Will he pan out? Eh, he maybe a shot in the dark or he may fulfill his athletic capabilities and do a lot of damage.
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<< <i>I don't care about jersey sales, endorsements, or hype. Defense wins championships. >>
Except in the case of the Rams...yes their defense was ranked high during their playoff and super bowl runs, but it was primarily due to the fact they got in front of teams so early that opposing teams had to pass to catch up.
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Well they had some good pass rushers and a fairly deep secondary. Plus, when your going against an offense like that if you punt twice you can easily be down by 14. Their defense was VERY underrated in my opinion. But alas, I know very little about the Saints team outside of the offense so far this year. I know they didn't get pressure on opposing QBs as much as they should have last season. Thats' all.
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Mario Williams - $54,000,000 BASE (could be worth $63M with incentives) with $26,500,000 guaranteed Reggie Bush - $63,000,000 including incentives with $26,300,000 guaranteed
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<< <i>Looks like you should have bet huh sparky? >>
:eyeroll:
Okay flip-flopping, ship-sailing Tinkerbell
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money." "No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars." "Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well." "It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet." "Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?" "either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off." "Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
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<< <i>You made a ridiculous, provision-laden bet, I countered with a simple one, you refused.
End of story, and my last post in this thread.
Goodnight! >>
The spinning, flip-flopping, ship-sailing Tinkerbell is at it again
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The orginal proposal:
"Do you want to make an avatar/icon bet that Bush does not get more money (overal contract and guaranteed) than Williams?
Yes or no."
To which I get the following responses:
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money." "No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars." "Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well." "It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet." "Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?" "either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off." "Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
To which Tinkerbell comes full circle and says:
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
And this is after the following insults (not including all of them since that's all Tinkerbell says):
"what, are you chickening out?" "or the forum will know what a crybaby you truly are." "so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet." "CHICKEN" "it's ok, we all know you're a whiny little wimp - your cowering from this bet just PROVES it." "Get lost, twerp. You're a fraud." "If you aren't saying yes to this bet, then be quiet little man." "chicken chit." "either accept it or chicken out." "you're being the coward here little man." "Get lost chicken chit." "Too bad stown's all talk and no action." "stownie's a coward."
BEST. OWNAGE. EVER.
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The flip-flopping, bandwagoning, all-bark-and-no-bite, tattle-tale Tinkerbell was against the guarantee before he was for it
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Comments
The orginal proposal:
"Do you want to make an avatar/icon bet that Bush does not get more money (overal contract and guaranteed) than Williams?
Yes or no."
To which I get the following responses:
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money."
"No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars."
"Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well."
"It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet."
"Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?"
"either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off."
"Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
To which Tinkerbell comes full circle and says:
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
And this is after the following insults (not including all of them since that's all Tinkerbell says):
"what, are you chickening out?"
"or the forum will know what a crybaby you truly are."
"so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet."
"CHICKEN"
"it's ok, we all know you're a whiny little wimp - your cowering from this bet just PROVES it."
"Get lost, twerp. You're a fraud."
"If you aren't saying yes to this bet, then be quiet little man."
"chicken chit."
"either accept it or chicken out."
"you're being the coward here little man."
"Get lost chicken chit."
"Too bad stown's all talk and no action."
"stownie's a coward."
BEST. OWNAGE. EVER.
I really dont think Bush will sit out the year, he wants $$$$$$$$ and the Saints want their freakin first round pick in camp. Not picking sides and I shouldn't stick my nose in your bussiness but agree to the bottom line #'s or move on and bash each other on something different.
<< <i>How about right here, right now settle this. Bottom line Mario Williams from signing bonus up to final year of said contract VS Bush signing bonus up to final year contract (If he signs this year) Either agree or disagree, no sense in continuing this banter.
I really dont think Bush will sit out the year, he wants $$$$$$$$ and the Saints want their freakin first round pick in camp. Not picking sides and I shouldn't stick my nose in your bussiness but agree to the bottom line #'s or move on and bash each other on something different. >>
Until just a couple of hours ago, she refused to count gauranteed money without any explination. I was, as he stated, "a COWARD" (along with other bad words) for suggesting it.
The easiest way would be how I first outlined it:
1) The Saints must sign Bush to a Contract which will exceed $54,000,000 with a signing bonus in excess of $26,500,000.
2) The loser must keep the avatar/icon of the winner's choice for the entire football season. Said avatar/icon cannot violate CU's TOS
Tinkerbell whined and moaned about the guarantee part, even though he came back full circle and said that's a part of total money...
Anywho...
I couldn't make it more simple for him. Bush signs for $54,000,001 with $26,500,001 guaranteed, period. Tinkerbell whined saying these were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many provisions.
Makes sense, no?
Well Tinkerbell's brain can't get past 1st gear, so he just goes around and around and around chasing his tail and eventually comes back EXACTLY WHERE WE STARTED.
I mean, for all of the yapping he did, this has to be the funniest thread I've ever participated on. I have never, ever seen a flip-flop this bad in my entire life. Kerry's "I was for the war before I was against it" or whatever doesn't even hold a candle to what Tinkerbell did.
I mean, it just gets better and better. I wonder how she's going to spin this
You can't just do base salary because base means squat in the NFL. You can be cut at any time and not get paid. You sign for $100M without any gaurantees and get cut the next day, you are owed nothing, nada, ziltch.
The only way to make this a legit bet for this year and this year only, would HAVE to be:
1) Guaranteed money, only
2) Both base salary and guaranteed money
You can't get any simpler than that, Tinkerbell.
Pick one or quit yapping.
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<< <i>God, this bickering back and forth between Ax & stown, et al is absolutely comical at this point. I think PSA should create a separate board for these guys to post on! >>
I stopped posting to his ridiculous posts a while back...he's hard up for attention obviously. If you look at the number of his posts in a row without a response by me, you'll see he's out of his mind.
I moved on from this ridiculous bet days ago, yet stown feels the need to continue to drag it out.
Hopefully a mod will lock this thread, there's nothing else to see here.
<< <i>Look and see how many times I offered a straight up bet: most money ever. Being the yellow, cowardly punk you are, tried to throw in 'guaranteed money' and other such nonsense to turn the odds even more in your favor. I refused. >>
Which evolves into...
<< <i>Good god man are you really that dumb?
Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives.
How f'ing dense are YOU that you couldn't understand this very basic point, nitwit?
Get lost. I can't help that you are so DENSE that you can't understand what TOTAL CONTRACT DOLLARS mean.
OWNED like the 2 dollar ho you are. >>
<< <i>Hopefully a mod will lock this thread, there's nothing else to see here. >>
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Tinkerbell is going to go tell the mods like the Cindy Brady she is.
You want the proof of your total and complete ownage vanished, don't you?
Is steam coming out of your ears?
Have you feebly pounded your fists on your keyboard?
Have you turned bright red yet?
If this thread disappears, EVERYONE will know it's because you ran to the mod
You got slapped silly, proven to be a flip-flopper and a coward, and now seen as the whiny baby you truely are.
If you want to chicken out of the wager, Tinkerbell, that's fine. Stop bringing it up in other threads.
Well if that's the case, back on topic:
Bush still hasn't denied reports of him possibly holding out this season. What a classless chump.
Link
Bush talks 'proceeding on a normal course'
But Saints GM, Bush's agent mum about contract details
Tuesday, July 25, 2006
By Mike Triplett
The Saints' contract talks with tailback Reggie Bush are "proceeding on a normal course," according to General Manager Mickey Loomis.
But, with only two of the NFL's 32 first-round draft picks having signed contracts, the "normal course" almost certainly will take the negotiations into next week, if not longer.
Neither Loomis nor Bush's agent, Joel Segal, would comment on details of the negotiations. But history and common sense dictate that Bush won't be in Jackson, Miss., when the Saints report for training camp Thursday evening.
Last year, seven first-round draft picks had agreed to contracts heading into the first full weekend of NFL training camps. The top five picks in the draft signed on July 26, Aug. 15, Aug. 11, Aug. 29 and July 29, respectively.
A report on Yahoo.com last week cited a league source as saying Bush has toyed with the idea of sitting out the entire season if his contract demands are not met, but that scenario seems unlikely.
Bush, who has already secured several million dollars in national endorsement deals, could risk damaging his popularity if he skips the entire season. And he has already been putting down roots in New Orleans, both through his charity work and the purchase of a $1.8 million riverfront condo downtown.
Still, the Saints certainly won't get off cheaply. Bush was almost universally rated as the No. 1 prospect in April's draft before the Houston Texans made the surprising decision to take defensive end Mario Williams instead. So Bush likely will seek a deal that approaches Williams' six-year, $54 million contract, with a reported $26.5 million in guaranteed money over the first two years.
The Saints have agreed to contracts with four of their eight draft picks so far. They still need to work out deals with Bush, second-round pick Roman Harper, fourth-rounder Jahri Evans and sixth-rounder Mike Hass.
Bush still hasn't signed and Tinkerbell pulls the biggest flip-flop ever
lmao
Steve
Really?
A quick look at the thread shows that you have posted to it everyday.
yesterday more then 10 times!
So when exactly did you 'stop' posting to it?
You post at work, at home and prolly on the way home you stop at some internet cafe. Who do you think you are kidding here?
not me, that is for sure.
more then 20 posts in just the last 4 days alone.
W/O looking further 'I'd bet' you did not miss a day.
Steve
<< <i>"Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well."
lmao
Steve >>
Anyhoo...
Back on topic, they were talking on the radio this morning about the draft. Per sources in the organization, the Texans came to general terms with both Bush and Mario. They asked Kubiak who he wanted and of course, it was Mario.
And an interesting tidbit was also brought to light. Allegedly, the reason no other teams attempted to trade up and get Bush was because of his lies regarding the house his family was living in last year. Had he just been up front about the situation, everyone would have understood... Very interesting
<< <i>...but the news emerging this week that Bush could hold out the entire upcoming season, a rumor that crashed into cyberspace just as New Orleans Saints training camp nears, reeks of an agent ploy to put pressure on the team. Maybe the agent did not leak it directly. Maybe the agent did not leak it at all. There is just something about this that smells of attempted manipulation and high-intensity spin.
If Bush's people indeed are responsible for the threat becoming public, they are kidding, right? Contemplate holding out? For the season? Do they realize what team drafted him? Do they understand what city he is in? Do they comprehend that such threats -- as empty as they may be -- make Bush resemble a millionaire prince complaining to housekeepers that his tea is too tepid? >>
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<< <i>Young, the third overall pick in April's NFL Draft, agreed to a five-year deal with an option year. The overall value of the contract could be worth as much as $58 million, and it includes $25.7 million in guaranteed money. The value of Young's deal exceeds the contract signed by the NFL's No. 1 pick, defensive end Mario Williams. >>
Saints start training camp in 2 hours and Bush is still nursing his ego
Not ego, its called business.
Just because some people are willing to sign whatever offer they are given doesn't mean everyone is that gullible. He knows the Saints need him a lot more than he needs them. He won't sit out any games - the saints will give in to his demands.
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The saints know this, its why they are willing to negotiate with him...if they didn't think he had the skill set to be very, very special, they'd tell him to get lost.
<< <i>Hopefully a mod will lock this thread, there's nothing else to see here. >>
For someone who said they weren't ever going to post in this thread again and even went to the mods for a lock, you sure do seem to post here a lot.
Back on topic:
Interesting article
I think it's apparent you wish your Texans had drafted him instead of Williams...otherwise, why else would you care so much about what this guy is doing?
I was for guarantees before I was against guarantees.
First clear your mind.
Look how the thread transpired... How he took several shots at me while I don't even respond.
Then see how it all evolves and comes full circle. It really is worth the <10 minute read
Thanks for clearing that one up.
Like threatening to sit out the season? Yeah, I would call that pretty nasty
<< <i>And for someone who supposedly despises Reggie Bush, you sure do post a lot about him.
I think it's apparent you wish your Texans had drafted him instead of Williams...otherwise, why else would you care so much about what this guy is doing? >>
Kind of like you and the Yankees eh? Your the last guy that can talk about man crushes.
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As I heard on TV, there are people living in poverty in every city, why should that be used as an excuse by Saints ownership why he should take a lesser deal?
The teams already have such an advantage - cutting people at will, etc. that maxing his contract is take a stand for the players against greedy and overcompensated ownership.
If he needs to sit out all year to accomplish this - more power to him.
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<< <i>I honestly think the Saint's ownership will cave in. I mean, for them to even have drafted Bush was a coup de tat. Let's face it, they really lucked out. I personally didn't think it was the best possible pick for the team as it is structured pre draft(I would've traded down and picked up Vernon Davis; but hey that's me) but he was the best available at the pick. Needless to say, this team has the ability to be truely explosive with Deuce, Reggie, Joe horn, Stallworth, and IF Brees can actually throw it when it isn't a contract year. Who knowsabout that last part. But compared to Brooks...lol, Brooks is a bum. >>
I lived in Pensacola, FL for 6 months last year during the Katrina event. Got a chance to listen to New Orleans radio every day.
This one fact must be considered. Tom Benson, the owner is one wacky SOB. He is unpredictable and wouldn't think twice about letting Bush sit out.
Hell, the team would probably be gone already if the NFL had not stepped in.
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<< <i>How close is that to the wildwood area? >>
Pensacola is in the western panhandle, ten miles from Alabama, three hours from New Orleans.
Wildwood I think is in the peninsula, basically a little northwest of Orlando.
My permanent home is on the Southwest coast, pretty much halfway between Tampa and Miami.
BTW topps - I'm waiting to hear about the Eagles - Giants tickets. My partner is going to only one game this year and usually takes the home opener which is the Giants. If he takes another game then I can sell them to you. I should hear in a few days - the tickets are being sent out this week.
Keith
<< <i>the tickets are being sent out this week. >>
I got mine on Thursday
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From profootballtalk.com on the Bush signing-
"The real question is the actual value of the contract. As one league insider told us after news broke that the Bush contract would be sandwiched between the value of the package given to Young and No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams, "We'll soon see how much money [Joel] Segal cost Bush by not taking the money the Texans were willing to pay to the top pick."
All things considered, we decided to pass on the "sexy" pick and took Mario.
I don't care about jersey sales, endorsements, or hype. Defense wins championships.
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<< <i>I don't care about jersey sales, endorsements, or hype. Defense wins championships. >>
Except in the case of the Rams...yes their defense was ranked high during their playoff and super bowl runs, but it was primarily due to the fact they got in front of teams so early that opposing teams had to pass to catch up.
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Reggie Bush - $63,000,000 including incentives with $26,300,000 guaranteed
Source
$26.5M is more than $26.3M, right?
<< <i>Looks like you should have bet huh sparky? >>
:eyeroll:
Okay flip-flopping, ship-sailing Tinkerbell
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money."
"No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars."
"Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well."
"It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet."
"Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?"
"either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off."
"Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
End of story, and my last post in this thread.
Goodnight!
<< <i>You made a ridiculous, provision-laden bet, I countered with a simple one, you refused.
End of story, and my last post in this thread.
Goodnight! >>
The spinning, flip-flopping, ship-sailing Tinkerbell is at it again
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The orginal proposal:
"Do you want to make an avatar/icon bet that Bush does not get more money (overal contract and guaranteed) than Williams?
Yes or no."
To which I get the following responses:
"No, more money means more money. You want to get into stipulations like signing bonuses; I don't play that. Straight up: more money."
"No signing bonus crap, nothing but TOTAL contract dollars."
"Total money was the bet, and you want to bring in guaranteed money into the mix as well."
"It's obvious you aren't willing to take the 'total contract' bet, so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet."
"Not man enough to make a simple bet, without throwing in additional provisions?"
"either accept the bet of most money overall (none of this guaranteed money qualifier BS), or the bet's off."
"Nope, no signing bonus or guaranteed money provisions."
To which Tinkerbell comes full circle and says:
"Total contract dollars OBVIOUSLY means guaranteed money + any and all incentives."
And this is after the following insults (not including all of them since that's all Tinkerbell says):
"what, are you chickening out?"
"or the forum will know what a crybaby you truly are."
"so I will take that as you are too CHICKEN to accept the bet."
"CHICKEN"
"it's ok, we all know you're a whiny little wimp - your cowering from this bet just PROVES it."
"Get lost, twerp. You're a fraud."
"If you aren't saying yes to this bet, then be quiet little man."
"chicken chit."
"either accept it or chicken out."
"you're being the coward here little man."
"Get lost chicken chit."
"Too bad stown's all talk and no action."
"stownie's a coward."
BEST. OWNAGE. EVER.
The flip-flopping, bandwagoning, all-bark-and-no-bite, tattle-tale Tinkerbell was against the guarantee before he was for it