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  • << <i>How about Alex Rios? I really cant say enough about him. Crushing the ball as of late....... >>



    This kid is the complete package too. A great fielder, with a canon for an arm. Reminds me of a young Dawson. It remains to be seen if he can do this consistently for a full season though, but I sure hope so.
  • The Jays drop one to Florida. They just can't beat the frickin' Marlins. They are now 4-12 against them lifetime. Last night, they were 0 for 9 with runners in scoring position. Ouch.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Uh oh, swept by the Marlins....and Halladay got beat too. Even the bats have gone relatively silent. My optimism is waning....

    Bring on AJ Burnett.....Now!!!!

    Eyebone
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have been patiently waiting for Burnett to come back, I got him on my fantasy roster. Hopefully he will be back to form (Just not against the Sox though)


  • << <i>I have been patiently waiting for Burnett to come back, I got him on my fantasy roster. Hopefully he will be back to form (Just not against the Sox though) >>



    perkdog,

    He's slated to pitch on Thursday night. He has been lights out in his rehab starts 11 IP 2 hits 1 run. Let's hope this is a good omen.
  • Not a pretty win over the Braves, but we'll take it. B.J. Ryan with save #18. Ted Lilly vs Tim Hudson tonight.
  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    Nice win tonight for their first series sweep of the year. It was looking a little dicey in the 9th, but Ryan got the job done for save #19.
  • phreakydancin:

    Yeah, I was a little concerned in the ninth. Ryan was going on fumes. He has pitched a ton in the last little while. The Jays need a blowout to rest the pen.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Ryan going again tonight against the Nationals. A solid start from him could have my waning optimism back on the upswing.image

    I also read today that JP is going to give the Jays a month....if they aren't right in the race with the Bosox and Yankees by that time then he will look to move a big contract or two.

    Eyebone
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough


  • << <i>Ryan going again tonight against the Nationals. A solid start from him could have my waning optimism back on the upswing.image

    I also read today that JP is going to give the Jays a month....if they aren't right in the race with the Bosox and Yankees by that time then he will look to move a big contract or two.

    Eyebone >>



    Eyebone,

    I think you mean Burnett is starting tonight. Yes, another solid start would go a long way.

    I'm concerned about the Jays. To get in the playoffs now (with how well the Tigers are doing), I think they are going to have to win the division -- which will mean (gulp) beating out the Yanks and Bosox.

  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Writer:

    Thank you for catching my error.....not sure Jays management would be too excited with Ryan starting now would they? image

    Well, it just finished and though I only saw the top of the ninth I can say for sure my optimism is back.....Burnett just tossed a six-hitter. To hear Rod Black gushing on TSN though one would think he pitched a perfect game. In fact, as mentioned, I turned the TV on as he faced the lead off man in the ninth so I was not aware of the score or hits for either side though I was aware that with Burnett still pitching 2.5 hours after opening pitch that he was doing well. After listening to Black for 30 seconds I though perhaps Burnett was going for a no-hitter, or, gasp, maybe even a perfect game. This is how over-the-top this clown is. All Jays fans are exceited that he seems to have returned healthy and able from his injury, but come on.

    Sadly, I think you are correct again Writer....the Tigers look like they are for real so the AL East may not even represent the wild card this year, meaning the Jays are likely out of luck for a post-season birth (I simply cannot imagine they will beat both the Yanks and Bosox over 162 games). However, I will be content with a solid season that meets/exceeds pre-season expectations.....say 92-94 wins. If the Jays play well over the long haul then that is all I can ask. It is a solid team that plays an entertaining and hustling style; this is enough for me.

    Eyebone
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a game for Burnett, good for you guys to see him back.
  • A masterpiece by Burnett. Lets hope this is an omen of good things to come for the rest of the year. Man, those Red Sox, do they ever lose? Ted Lilly goes tonight. Fingers are crossed.

    I'm with you, eyebone. Of course, I would like to see the Jays win their division, but I'll settle for a good, solid pennant race come September. It's hard not to like the guys on this team though. Gibbons has them playing their butts off.
  • Lilly = six shutout innings. The Jays are looking good this series. Not if Boston or New York would lose a game ...

    Halladay goes today. Knock on wood for a sweep.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whats up with Alex Rios? Night off because he fouls a ball off his leg and now its an infection, and he's in the hospital? What is going on there?


  • << <i>Whats up with Alex Rios? Night off because he fouls a ball off his leg and now its an infection, and he's in the hospital? What is going on there? >>



    It's some strange infection that they are trying to figure out. Apparently, the trainer couldn't even find the cut on his leg where the infection might have started. I'm crossing my fingers that he isn't out for long. Although, Catalanatto, Reed Johnson, and Hinske have all done a nice job.

    The Jays win again last night, but the Red Sox win too. Jeepers.
  • Hey Writer.
    I wouldn't go as far as saying Hinske is doing a nice job, I'll agree with the other 3, but not Hinske.
    I was at Sunday's game and watched Hinske hit 2 incredibly lazy ground balls to first base and strike out in an at bat that made him look like he was facing Steve Carlton yet it was Steve Traschel. Really, really wish they could trade him. I realize he had 3 hits last night, but his 1 multi-hit game every 3 weeks isn't enough to give that guy any playing time.
    Still, they look good, although sweeping the Nationals with the line-up they have out there right now (Ward batting clean-up?), shouldn't be ignored--can they beat the Sox yet, we'll see? As well, back to back poor starts for Halladay (for his standards), has me a little worried.
    Only time will tell.
    Jay
  • Finally, the Jays gain a game on the Red Sox. A little worried about Wells though. They say he might have hurt his hamstring last night.
  • I guess I spoke too soon about Hinske, another JACK today as the Jays keep rolling along...
    Jay
  • Writer11Writer11 Posts: 738
    I'll never knock Hinske. I just think he is a wonderful human being. I go to Spring Training every and Hinske spends hours signing autographs. He makes sure every last person gets one. He even engages in conversation. Hinske might have struggled the past few years, but it was NEVER for a lack of effort. I never cheer against anyone who is going all out, all the time. The Jays have told him to switch positions twice in the past two years (first to 1B and then to the outfield) and he didn't go all Alfonso Soriano on the Jays. He accepted it without a word of protest. It pained me to see Hinske booed last year. Sure the perfomance might not have been there, but he is just a really nice guy. And to me, that counts for something.
  • Couple more hits for Hinske today as well Writer.
    I never said he was a bad guy, it wasn't his fault he got offered a ridiculous contract but because of him (and his lack of offense), he's holding the Jays back a bit as far as being able to go out and get somebody else. It may not be until the middle/middle end of next year where they can do anything because of what they are paying him and it's possible both he and Vernon will be gone (but we'll see about Vernon, Hinske is gone no question unless he does something that would make everything right with the guy, and that would be signing a 4 or 5 year deal for about 500 K per year but you know that's not going to happen with the way agents run the player's career). I liked him as a rookie, and even the following year I thought he could bounce back, he just has too many holes in his swing (although he was able to take advantage of a poor Phillies pitching staff). I certainly didn't mean to attack the guy, I just wish they didn't have the burden of his contract (and believe me, I don't think a day goes by where JP doesn't regret that one either).
    I hope he bounces back, although a bad game by Burnett today didn't help things. Another series win though, so I won't complain.
    Jay
  • '80stoyguy,

    I know you weren't attacking Hinske. No worries.

    If I were to look at Hinske's production objectively, I would probably make the same conclusions. I just think he's a heckuva guy. I can't help but hope for the best for him. But you're probably bang on in your assessment.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Well.....that was interesting wasn't it? Ryan almost gave it away. I guess the guy is allowed the odd poor performance, as prior to his appearance last night his ERA was 0.45!! Don't know what it is now--not that it really matters--but it obviously took a serious hike.

    Glad to see Halladay have an excellent start. As somebody mentioned he had two consecutive sub-par starts prior to last night's gem. I read a pre-season account from one baseball scout/executive that Doc had lost a couple of mph on his fastball over the past year or so. This baseball guy said he loved Halladay's desire, composure and old-school style and really wanted him to succeed, but he feared that Doc would start to gradually lose his effectiveness as a real stud; that over time hitters would start to get to him. This hasn't really happened thus far....sure hope the guy is wrong as the Jays next two/three years hinge largely on him winning 20 or thereabouts.

    Eyebone

    PS. Rod Black marginally better last night.
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
  • Writer11Writer11 Posts: 738
    Eyebone,

    Good post. I don't worry too much about Halladay. The guy knows how to pitch even if he doesn't strike as many people out anymore. I can't think of anyone I would rather have at the top of my rotation. Great standup teammate too.

    I'm going to cut Ryan some slack. One of the runs was scored on a strike out where the ball got by Benji. Ryan has been out of this world this year. His ERA is now 0.86.

    Hinske hit another tater. Got to love this guy.
  • LOL, I knew you'd rub that in Writer!
    Jay
  • Writer11Writer11 Posts: 738
    Lord help us ... why can't we beat teams like the Royals and Marlins? Let's hope that the good Lilly shows up tonight.
  • Too bad Halladay couldn't start every game. Another win yesterday. He's now 12-2 with a 2.92 ERA.
  • OK, here's my beef: I surf to ESPN.com yesterday and there is a debate on who is going to win the AL East - BoSox vs. Yanks. I open my Sports Illustrated today and there is a list of players who are available for trade, beside each player they show a list of contenders and whether they have a chance at landing that player. The Jays aren't mentioned as contenders in either article. Now, I'm not saying that Jays are going to beat the Yankees or the BoSox, but I would at least like to consider them a factor in the AL East race. They're a long shot, but they're only 4.5 back of Sox and 2 back of the Yanks. That's my vent. Thanks for listening.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Writer:

    My SI came in today....I saw the checklist and was thinking exactly the same thing as you. God damn it, I think it's time to burn down the White House....again.image Failing that then SI headquarters......

    Eyebone
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    If I were a Jays fan it would have pi$$ed me off reading that too. How can SI, ESPN, or anyone else overlook that team as a contender ?
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

    image
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    The Jays are most certainly a contender - before the season started, I figured it would be Boston and Toronto at the end, and I'm not changing my mind now. Burnett has to pitch consistently well, and they need Rios back soon, but that's it.
    image
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good point about the Jays Jerry. At the beginning of the season I figured it would be the Yankees and the Blue Jays fighting it out for one and two. Of course, that is still a real possibility image

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Jays are a solid team and its foolish to count them out. The Sox better watch out that All-Star break obviously was no good for them. I read Rios is having a hard time with that leg and might be out until the end of the month, he is going to have to do a rehab stint to get him back in game shape wich will delay him even more. Its a shame he missed the all star game, the kids got talent.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Good game last night...Overbay and Wells are great players.

    Halladay going for #13 today...should make a very interesting game.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I quess another Jay's player got a staff infection in his foot, they needed to decontaminate the clubhouse. Pretty nasty stuff going on in Toronto image
  • Absolutely disgusting game taking place right now, tied 6-6 in the 8th. Brandon League comes in as the guy they depend on to get a hold? What is Gibbons thinking? So he gives up back to back jacks and THEN Gibbons brings in Ryan in a tie game?!?! And why did Halladay only throw 85 pitches? I realize he threw 2 innings at the all-star game but why even go to that crap game? This is the reason Bud Selig may be the worst commish in the history of the game--lambasting players (Ramirez), because they don't want to go to the fricking all star game, in which the players are voted in by fans? I mean Halladay blows it because he's got a tired arm, WTF?
    Joke, joke, joke, absolutely brutal.
    Jay


  • << <i>Absolutely disgusting game taking place right now, tied 6-6 in the 8th. Brandon League comes in as the guy they depend on to get a hold? What is Gibbons thinking? So he gives up back to back jacks and THEN Gibbons brings in Ryan in a tie game?!?! And why did Halladay only throw 85 pitches? I realize he threw 2 innings at the all-star game but why even go to that crap game? This is the reason Bud Selig may be the worst commish in the history of the game--lambasting players (Ramirez), because they don't want to go to the fricking all star game, in which the players are voted in by fans? I mean Halladay blows it because he's got a tired arm, WTF?
    Joke, joke, joke, absolutely brutal.
    Jay >>



    Jay,

    Agree with you on League. What the heck was he doing in there with a two-run lead in the 8th inning? Then after Sexson launches one, they let him stay in and pitch to Everett. Then the game is tied and Gibby decides to go to Ryan. I don't get it. Oh well. We won. That's the bottom line. A "W" is a "W."

    I've been watching League for a couple of years and he seems to be a thrower not a pitcher. He might be able to blow a 97 MPH fastball right down the pipe by hitters in Triple A, but that doesn't cut it in the majors.

    As for Halladay, did you hear Ricciardi on the telecast? In a nice way, JP was saying he was pissed that Guillen used Doc for more than one inning in the all-star game.

    This team is like a roller coaster ride. Just when you get ticked off at them for an error or base-running blunder, they make two diving catches (Wells and Hinske in the 13th). It's hard not to like these guys, but they are a little hard on the ticker.




  • << <i>Good game last night...Overbay and Wells are great players.

    Halladay going for #13 today...should make a very interesting game. >>



    Ax,

    Glad you mentioned Overbay. Glaus has been a nice addition, but he seems to get all the press in Toronto. In watching this team from the start of the year, I think Overbay is their best hitter and he deserves a Gold Glove for all the errants throws he fielded from Russ Adams at the start of this year. This guy is the second coming of John Olerud. A .290 - .310 hitter, 15 to 25 HRs, 90 to 110 RBIs. He's been a great addition.

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Tough game today, those long extra inning games must be tough, then have to come right back early tomorrow and do it all over again.

  • Writer.
    Good points, League maybe shouldn't be pitching in the "major leauges!"
    Unfortunately it all comes down to the Jays having a manager that doesn't get the respect that a Francona or a Torre gets. Guillen basically says to Halladay how many innings can you go and Halladay says 20 to 25 pitches--has a great first inning, so Guillen puts him back in? This is after of course Guillen's top starter Contreras bows out? The Jays are very lucky today that they pulled it out, that stupid all-star game could have had them lose 2 straight to the M's--maybe now Halladay got his 2 innings in and next year he won't show up (here's hoping), but something has to be done. I realize it's only one game (today's game), but they could end up just 1 game out of the wild card--you have to win them all, or as many as you can, and this one would have been a stinger had they not come through in the end.
    Jay
  • Phew ... another nervous win. Is there a better clutch hitter in the game than Frank Catalanotto? This guy is money in clutch situations. I'm a little worried about Glaus. I guess he hurt his knee.
  • A good win last night, 10-1. I'm a bit nervous tonight with Marcum pitching (his first big league start), let's hope the offence can tack up 7 or 8.

    Glaus is going to be out until the Yankee series apparently.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭
    Uh, oh....there may be a mutiny in the works....

    Eyebone
    "I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
  • Let's hope this only involves Hillenbrand. This weekend will tell. Stay tuned.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Writer,
    Whats going on up there with Rios? I got him on my fantasy team and despertaly need his bat back in my lineup!

    Thx


  • << <i>Writer,
    Whats going on up there with Rios? I got him on my fantasy team and despertaly need his bat back in my lineup!

    Thx >>




    Rios is scheduled to start a rehab assignment in the next few days, but they aren't putting a timetable on him as to when he will be back. They are hoping to have him back in the next week to 10 days. They showed some footage of him in BP last night. He has lost a lot of weight. Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear. We Jays fans hope he is back soon as well. He's a great five-tool player.

    Exciting win tonight though. Wells hit a walk-off HR.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That was a big win for the Jays .... with all of the crazy off field stuff going on. The first homer all year that Rivera gives up and it has to be tonight. Good for you guys ....... i guess image

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  • << <i>That was a big win for the Jays .... with all of the crazy off field stuff going on. The first homer all year that Rivera gives up and it has to be tonight. Good for you guys ....... i guess image >>




    Should be an interesting game tonight ... Burnett vs Wright. Two unpredictable starters. Burnett has either been completely lights out or awful. The scary thing for the Jays is, our two most reliable relievers: Ryan and Speier are likely unavailable.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice win, Burnett put up a decent performance. Too bad Halladay didn't figure in the win the other night, he didn't get many K's but had a good game, not sure why Gibbons yanked him after 2 easy outs.


  • << <i>Nice win, Burnett put up a decent performance. Too bad Halladay didn't figure in the win the other night, he didn't get many K's but had a good game, not sure why Gibbons yanked him after 2 easy outs. >>



    Hey perkdog,

    Gibby has taken a lot of flak for going to his pen a little early. Although, I can't disagree with his decision to yank Halladay and put in Ryan to face Giambi on Thursday. Giambi was 0 for 13 with 7 Ks against Ryan heading into that at bat.

    By the way, I'm hearing that Rios might be back by the end of next week.
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