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MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
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The good news is my modern crossover order got done in 11 days!

The bad news is...
1 11148480 1969-S 50C USA DNC
2 11148481 1969-S 50C USA DNC
3 11148482 1969-S 5C USA DNC
4 11148483 1970-S 50C USA DNC
5 11148484 1970-S 5C USA DNC
6 11148485 1981-S 50C Type 2 USA DNC
7 11148486 1981-S 50C Type 2 USA DNC
8 11148487 1971-D $1 USA DNC
9 11148488 1971-D $1 USA DNC

Date Received: 03/17/2006
Date Shipped: 03/28/2006

I think they forgot to look at them!

I wonder why 2 years ago my yearly cost for submissions was over $25K, and last year it was only $2500. I realize I don't mean squat to PCGS's bottom line, but 5 for 60 on modern crossovers! I know my standards on coins haven't changed, but it sure looks like PCGS's have.
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ouch. I've got some knotted rope if you want to borrow it Marty.
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow ! An 0-for-9! That bites.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think they forgot to look at them! >>



    I think you're right. Unbelievable.

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Last spring on 81-T2s I was running 80% on crossovers, now I have been running 20%. Maybe they just don't want to inflate the pops!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Smitty79Smitty79 Posts: 1,313


    << <i>1 11148480 1969-S 50C USA DNC
    2 11148481 1969-S 50C USA DNC
    3 11148482 1969-S 5C USA DNC
    4 11148483 1970-S 50C USA DNC
    5 11148484 1970-S 5C USA DNC
    6 11148485 1981-S 50C Type 2 USA DNC
    7 11148486 1981-S 50C Type 2 USA DNC
    8 11148487 1971-D $1 USA DNC
    9 11148488 1971-D $1 USA DNC >>



    They're just trying to be more consistant on their grading. image
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  • centmastercentmaster Posts: 504 ✭
    It's always a red flag when crossover submissions get done so quickly. Not too much work involved there to look at them and just put them back in the box. Why don't they refund the money it would take to put the coins in the PCGS holder, or, on general principle, even the 35 cents of plastic per holder?
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    I feel yur pain !
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Yep, that one's an ouchie.
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Why don't they refund the money it would take to put the coins in the PCGS holder, or, on general principle, even the 35 cents of plastic per holder?

    Because there are enough willing to play the game with the current rules.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    I just sent in 10 xovers on invoice #9049333

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  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
    How else do you think they reduce their turnaround times?
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  • DD Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭
    I'd be curious if they cross if you send the SAME coins again...

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  • CnitasCnitas Posts: 373
    Maybe you should have had Russ send them in for you? image
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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I feel yur pain ! >>



    +1
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  • SUPERCARCOINSSUPERCARCOINS Posts: 1,152
    ......Got back results of crossovers i sent almost two months ago :

    All mint set Franklins -

    6 of 7 crossed
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    Marty, I think you may need a new license plateimage
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  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    As an experiment, you should submit them raw, and see how many "cross"!!
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    What did you expect with modern crap!!!!image

































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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    What were the original grades?

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  • INXSINXS Posts: 1,202 ✭
    Marty this is so unlike your submissions. You usually call them pretty good.
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    Ouch! That's gotta hurt. image
  • maddogalemaddogale Posts: 859 ✭✭
    25K on submissions????!!!!!!!!!!!image


    Just think what good CLASSICAL coins you could have bought with that money!!!!! (and no, I ain't talking about those damned dong coins either!! image)
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  • GoYankeesGoYankees Posts: 1,025 ✭


    << <i>I'd be curious if they cross if you send the SAME coins again...

    -Daniel >>



    I wonder if they keep a log of all of the other TPG slabs that DNC???
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    It's all part of the game.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I know my standards on coins haven't changed, but it sure looks like PCGS's have.

    I thought that david hall had stated that the shift in grading standards was a myth........ perhaps one needs a few more shots of koolaid?
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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    I forget but who but there is a board member that has a theory. He thinks in the next couple of days, there will be more BB's and DNC's because they PCGS wants to process more coins before the end of the quarter. Maybe he was right?

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  • raysrays Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know my standards on coins haven't changed, but it sure looks like PCGS's have. >>



    Could it also be the NGC's standards have changed (presuming they were in NGC holders)?
  • TrinkettsTrinketts Posts: 1,699 ✭
    The case very well could be NGC's standards... Take a look at the population reports for MS70 and PF70 coins from 2004,2005,2006... It is staggering.
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would be interested in knowing what the 71D IKEs were. Were they MS67s?
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forgot to say, I have yet to see an NGC graded IKE that I thought was properly graded.
  • PreTurbPreTurb Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭
    Yes, they're desperately trying to keep modern (and probably all) pops down - to keep the submitting interest high in hope of that "big score". High pops equal lower value, less incentive to submit. It's a business.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Memo: got to find some way to hold the supply of moderns down. '

    specially when folks like MadMarty and Russ keep "makining" new ones by searching original mint and proof sets.

    response; DNC them some more.

    All the revenue, pops stay the same image

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is this a final official sign from PCGS that NGC graded moderns are officially overgraded and will not cross? The modern market is really starting to show their opinion on NGC graded coins.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would be interested in knowing what the 71D IKEs were. Were they MS67s? >>



    No they were MS65s
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Keep "throwing those darts". You'll eventually hit the proverbial bulls-eye.image
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  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I have just one question......


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  • LincolnsRuleLincolnsRule Posts: 1,738 ✭
    Do you think you'll get kicked off the boards like someone else who claimed standards had changed?
  • AZLARRYAZLARRY Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Do you plan to crack them out then send them in raw?
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do you think you'll get kicked off the boards like someone else who claimed standards had changed? >>


    Nah, they tolerate whining about the grading. We'd all be gone otherwise image

    Yeah, try again Marty. I think it's all in who you draw that's doing the crossing that day.
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  • TheNumishTheNumish Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    The problem is with PCGS. I've followed the submissions Marty has shared with us and he is an expert at grading 1981 Type 2's and silver proof Kennedy's. If he thought they were nice enough to take a shot then some of them should have crossed. We all know Marty doesn't want to waste his money.
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Hmmmmmm....Somefin smells fishy in Newport Beach... and it's blowing out to sea...

    (BTW...trying to cross MS65 1971-D IKES?...I'm guessing they were toners??)
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  • ellewoodellewood Posts: 1,750 ✭
    Do you think you'll get kicked off the boards like someone else who claimed standards had changed?

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmmmm....Somefin smells fishy in Newport Beach... and it's blowing out to sea...

    (BTW...trying to cross MS65 1971-D IKES?...I'm guessing they were toners??) >>



    No, just plain white Ikes. I was amazed that it only took 10 days! I have had a modern darkside order that has been in since 1/21!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dont look at it as 0 for 9 just look like your batting 100% image
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    whats that huge red glow over Margaritaville??

    oh must be martys ass glowing from the spanking he just gotimage

    i suppose they charged for this also?
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭

    What Marty is not telling you guys is that he was trying to cross NTC coins at PCGS. I warned him back when we was trying to cross ACG coins at PCGS, but he never listens to me!

    BTW, you suck. No.....really......you suck!

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  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    OUCH!!! That one hurt! Have a beer and crack'em out.....send them in raw and let the chips fall
    where they may.



    << Forgot to say, I have yet to see an NGC graded IKE that I thought was properly graded.>>

    Well now,......Let's see....Submission#3460981 has (3) out of (8) Ikes
    and one is a 1972-P Type 2 in 65!image

    On the one before that (I can't remember the #)....the last (3) out of (8) Ikes....one was a 72-P Type 3 in MS66!

    So, that is (6) out of 16 and ALL were Ikes and ALL were NGC crossovers.
    I guess NGC must get them right some of the time!image

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  • MyWorldCoinTypeSetMyWorldCoinTypeSet Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭
    Are DNC's worse than AU58's?
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