Private Gold - Pikes Peak. Guess the grade.
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Tried to capture the coins luster. Sorry, but after all thgose years shooting copper, I need to get the hang of gold. Can you guess the grade??
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And who am I to disagree with RYK. I say whatever he says.
here's your cousin in the smithsonian....
Nah, there is some rub on the Aspen at 9500 feet.
Great coin. I love the original coloring.
Interestingly, the mountain design on the $20 (in Hyperion's post) and on the $10 in the OP are completely different.
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As if I have enough for this very cool coin. Just send it, we'll settle up later.
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coin low au to xf from the pictures.
but watch. magical NGC will say it is ms61.
somehow i think graders are being too kind with this material.
smithsonian examples of similiar type show coins with full
blazing luster like P or S mint coins.
so.. why did this one lose almost all its luster..
have so many marks like a xf-45-au50..
and why will two forum members out of 20 will agree with NGC
their super high grade.
watch! and see.
I think the "evident cleaning" consists of hairlines on the slab. The coin in question was actually marginally finer than the NGC MS60 that sold recently at ANR.
cough cough
<< <i>but watch. magical NGC will say it is ms61.
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The wear is too obvious to call it MS. If NGC calls it MS they are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But a guess on the designers of this coin. They never actually saw Pikes Peak did they?
It is one thing for someone to throw up a grade number on the basis of a photo. It's a game. Most of us* who responded probably never owned this issue, let alone any Clark Gruber, let alone any territotial gold issue and deserve the benefit of a doubt. They are very scarce and very expensive. It is, on the other hand, another thing to offer an authoritative opinion on the grade and indict the entire grading process on the basis of the photo, especially when one has not seen the coin in person and likely has not not seen another example in person.
*Disclosure: I have owned a Clark Gruber $10 in the past and probably have seen about a dozen in person.
that is what the original poster asked.. so....
but unless there is something i am ignorant of..
like planchett quality back then... or something else.. damaged dies..
that makes it look the way it does..
than i am wrong and welcome being schooled on the subject for free
by an expert!
You'll have to find an expert to school you! Learning about grading coins is about seeing them in your hand, comparing them to others in your hand, seeing multiple examples of the same date/MM, learning how fraudsters circumvent the grading process, and preferably under the guidance of a real expert, not some schmoe you met on an online forum (ie. me). Looking at a lot of pictures of coins online does not make you proficient at grading. If anything, it gives you a false sense of confidence. Looking at hundreds and hundreds of Heritage lots and discussing them with an expert puts you on the right track.
Schooled for free...wouldn't that be nice. There ain't no free lunch in coins...in fact, the closest thing probably is lot viewing at a Heritage Signature auction, but the schooling requires effort and work on the party who wants to learn.
Back on topic: These territorials were often struck on inferior quality planchets and softly struck at that. Sometimes the luster is masked by the thick patination. It does little good to compare these with a 1901 Philly eagle as one's standard, and it certainly helps to have seen some of these before to have a clue as to what the standards are.
I have the more common ten, the 1861 C & G Ten, mine ia an XF.
How did you aquire the coin?
one can look at the coin from a fairly accurate pic and see obvious rub and wear.
you can see hits and other misc chatter everywhere.
heck, from the picture and the way the lines go, it appears cleaned.
what is the big gouge by the peak on the obverse near the "S" in PIKES?
i can see that as a planchett problem.
but the others are gouges and scrapes and what i normally call circulation.
yes, i can tell this all from the pics.
i cannot for the life of me, from the pics, determine the luster accurately.
but, from the pics, i have enough to go on to say the coin aint MS.
from the pics. do pics lie? heck, a lot of us depend on pics to fully enjoy our coins!
you can increase the size and get a real good look at it. good pics too more or less
presented to us.
edited to add: but if there is some "style of grading" used on these... it appears
a lot of us are ignorant.
the darn coin would sell for the same price labeled as xf45 or ms61.
people in the know would pay accordingly to their mental grading style.
that says it all by a previous poster.
Pictures can/do lie. Rely on them to enjoy your coins, but be very careful buying coins on the basis of the photo without a transparent return policy.
<< <i>I don't care what the grade is. Would you like to sell it?
Ditto
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