One of the largest freakin shows all year and there is no market for them. I am still learning as Mr Wayne Herdon told me to relax and learn instead of buying, but my problem is how can we as coin hobby collectors chase coins, pay for coins and then we can't get any return back later.
All I wanted was to trade for a $1k gold coin, hell the tv show are selling the $20 bu Gaudens/Libertys for $700 a coin. TY
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Well put the ms68 up on eBay and use the proceeds to buy your gold coin AND more. I bet those dealers were probly just tryin to rip you; they likely knew they could get a lot more than $9 for it.
Im sorry I thought their were 7 last time I read it somewhere. I bought a roll way back in 1999 from the US mint, sent in 10 of them, I was even hoping to get a PL on the coin, I showed it to that young guy at the ICG table yesterday and he told me, boy its nice, but the reverse could pass for PL for sure, but the obverse has the Regular Clad appearance. ICG and other grading companies will not at this time grade only one side for moderns as I understood him. TY
Thanks for the great replies, I will consider TeleTrade, can someone PM with a sure way that ebay buyers/sellers sell their coins in one great catagory? I should sell in Statehood quarters but is there a certain catagory you guys click on right away that gets more exposure? TY
<< <i>My advice, if you want to sell it, is go to one of the market makers, eBay, Teletrade or Heritage.With a POP of #4 and unpredictable demand, the price will probably be between $2-6K
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I think these 2 sentences really sum the state of Morderns and the lack of REAL marketmakers. My fav quote: "unpredictable demand".
You are out of your disusional minds if you don't think they won't make more of these coins that ARE available by the bag load. They are too new. Plus, not everyone knows to run out and get there coins certified.
Your living a fools life if you don't think the % of these that will be slabbed over the next 5 years will blow away the % of all the MS Seated MS68's that will be graded..... >>
And your point is???? Of course there will be more slabbed over the next 5 years. Will most be MS68s? Based on current trends I would say not. Bags don't generally yield large numbers of high grades. Kind of stating the obvious but thanks anyway for explaining it to me.
I understand that there are logical reasons to avoid these coins and that everyone running them down is not doing it for selfish or silly reasons. I merely think that the primary reason people run these down is that many people have a very visceral hatred for the coins.
If i was losing classic customers to modern dealers I would hate them too. But I am an outsider who likes half eagles looking in with little to no bais except experience in other areas.
In some cases their judgement is clouded and they can not entertain the idea that not all moderns are the same.
i will agree. but what percentage of moderns are actually desirable from the standpoint of a condition rarity? hard for me to tell without a ton of studying. these forums help a lot.
I don't believe it is insanity to collect even the newer coins in high grade.
hm
Don't buy any coin for higher prices and don't believe that moderns are either poor values or uncollectible.
heck man, all coins are worth collecting. so are dirt samples. to each his own.
will this coin be a real treat to own in 10 years? my guess is probably not.
My $3,200 offer stands for the coin. Considering BrokenArrow was looking for a mere $1,000 yesterday at the show (and couldn't get it???) and can get $3,200 today.... I'd say he is sure lucky no one bought his coin yesterday. Wondercoin.
P.S. THE COIN HAD BETTER BE AT LEAST POP 5 AT THIS TIME (I.E. THIS PARTICULAR COIN HAS LIKELY NEVER EVEN BEEN ADDED TO THE POP REPORT), BECAUSE THIS PARTICULR COIN HAS SHOWN "POP 4" FOR SOME TIME NOW AND THE (4) COINS ARE IN THE #1 AND #2 STATE QUARTER COLLECTIONS, A PRIVATE COLLECTION BACK EAST AND A 4TH COLLECTION I AM ALSO AWARE OF BEST I KNOW TODAY.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
FC: Of course, I would not state that the original poster does not own this coin - it is possible the PCGS Pop Report fails to show his coin on it. However, if he does provide his serial number to us (either on this thread or privately through PM) I will make sure PCGS looks into this and (likely) corrects its pop (assuming the 4 coins still reside where I believe they have been for several years now) as I believe all (4) coins are accounted for, including the (2) in the top (2) registered sets (while the #1 Donn Murphy set.is "closed", Donn exhibited his GA(p) MS68 a couple years ago when PCGS showcased his collection at a Long Beach Show I attended).
Wondercoin
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<< <i>i think that quarter is worth a quarter. the people who would pay 4000 for it will find out in 2-5 years just how dumb they were.
edited to add: laura is right. cladking can argue till he is blue and wont change my mind. the quarter is to darn new.
edited to add: and lets all remember PCGS might very well be telling their graders not to be creating wealth on these silly quarters.
go find a ms65 for 25 cents. >>
...........................Well let me come back into the mix here to say that the quarter in question deserves a bit more than just a quarter.I have stated it doesn't deserve a $4,000 price tag. As a modern collector there needs to be more semblance or balance of price structure.True the coin might warrant the grade but that is not the argument.......................JMO
the 3rd being the collection back East. The 4th is a coin I believe I know exactly where it is. I could not confirm 100% if the collection back East still retains his coin, but, have no reason to suspect otherwise.
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
can someone PM with a sure way that ebay buyers/sellers sell their coins in one great catagory? I should sell in Statehood quarters but is there a certain catagory you guys click on right away that gets more exposure?
If you don't have any experience selling on ebay, I would recommend Russ. He is honest, has experience, a loyal following, and treats his consignors professionally.
Ditto on the recommendation to ship the coin to Wondercoin ASAP. If it were me, the coin would have already been to the post office (we have one nearby with Sunday hours ).
As a classics collector, who has seen the light, I am personally tired of other classics collectors coming on and patronizing the modern collectors. Leave them be, for goodness sake. They are happy collecting their coins, I am happy collecting my coins, everyone is happy. What next? Double eagles collectors coming here and telling me half eagles ain't worth squat? Seated dollars collectors telling Peace dollar collectors that their coins are not worth more than melt. Frankly, I am grateful that there is serious collectors spending serious money on the modern stuff. Imagine if they all decided to collect 19th century gold coins, or Morgans, or Liberty nickels. With their numbers and their apparent financial firepower, they could make it a lot harder for me to complete my sets. And you, too.
<< <i>My $3,200 offer stands for the coin. Considering BrokenArrow was looking for a mere $1,000 yesterday at the show (and couldn't get it???) and can get $3,200 today.... I'd say he is sure lucky no one bought his coin yesterday. Wondercoin. >>
That kind of blows a hole in the no market makers argument.
P.S. From time to time, a pop can be wrong at any of the grading services. Just Friday, I assisted to correct the pops on (2) coins in the pop report. We are working to correct the pops on other state quarters right now (see the 530 post thread on the Registry board). Personally, I very much hope the coin is pop 5 - a fresh GA(p) coin has not surfaced in a very long time.
Wondercoin
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Ok here we go again, you guys are terrible. I am offered $9 for a coin yesterday and now I am offered $3,200.00. I have a right to keep certain things private, but as I said before I do have a ms Pcgs 68 Georgia Quarter Mint D.
I don't know about any POP reports and don't care. Maybe I have a rare coin that I am being sniped from different angles. I did get a PM from Wondercoin earlier and there was no mention of a offer, now he is calling me out on the board.
You guys worry newbies like myself and others, my money is hard earned and don't need to be taken advantage of. TY
Wondercoin and everyone else I do respect your opinions and hope you respect mine. How much should I lose on my 1995 W bullion eagle? Only 31,000 in the world. TY
BA: I am not "calling you out" on this. I am a serious buyer for the coin at $3,200. But, in your latest post you now mention the "d" mint (whereas my offer was for the "p" mint you mentioned in the original post? That "d" mint coin is pop 2 coin and worth even more money than my $3,200 offer - way more. Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
<< <i>I don't know about any POP reports and don't care >>
that makes two of us, but there are many here on these boards who follow this type of thing closely and rely on it's accuracy. You have a very low population coin and they are simply asking for a submission number to verify so the population reports could be more accurate. It is not going to divulge anything personal by letting wondercoin check the submission.
<< <i>Ok here we go again, you guys are terrible. I am offered $9 for a coin yesterday and now I am offered $3,200.00. I have a right to keep certain things private, but as I said before I do have a ms Pcgs 68 Georgia Quarter Mint D.
I don't know about any POP reports and don't care. Maybe I have a rare coin that I am being sniped from different angles. I did get a PM from Wondercoin earlier and there was no mention of a offer, now he is calling me out on the board.
You guys worry newbies like myself and others, my money is hard earned and don't need to be taken advantage of. TY
Wondercoin and everyone else I do respect your opinions and hope you respect mine. How much should I lose on my 1995 W bullion eagle? Only 31,000 in the world. TY >>
The very first paragraph of this thread says..
<< <i>.Ok As I stated before, I feel some Dealers are ripoffs. I took My Pcgs ms 68 Georgia Quarter mint p and wanted to trade with a few dealers and both jerked me around and told me my coin was worth $9. Why would pcgs have this coin I own in their price guide @ $4,000.00? And I'm told it isn't worth notta? >>
Those who think a ton more of these will be found and slabbed are NOT the ones who search for them. Those who think it is indeed a rare coin worth a lot of money, ARE the ones who search for them.
So do you believe the people who know what they are talking about, or the people who don't know what they're talking about?
With the GIGANTIC mintages on these quarters, there will be many extremely upset collectors in the years ahead as thousands of formerly rare grades become common.
So do you believe the people who know what they are talking about, or the people who don't know what they're talking about?
maybe they searched bags that were full of coins struck from later die states, were transported harshly from place to place, or otherwise did not have the best sources?
how does one get the first few coins struck by the mint for each die when i thought it was more or less random who they end up with (meaning banks i suppose).
so i guess a group of 100 people would need, oh, a few decades of searching to go through 15% of the mintage?
<< <i>With the GIGANTIC mintages on these quarters, there will be many extremely upset collectors in the years ahead as thousands of formerly rare grades become common. >>
First of all more than 98% of most modern issues will be in circulation within three years. These do not really require searching since the coins degrade rapidly. In any case within 6 years there will be no uncs of the typical quarter remaining in circulation as an unc. Go look if you don't believe it. This meand you only have to check the coins that were set aside. With many moderns there were none set aside so you're all done assuming there were no mint sets for that issue. Now comes the part that really makes the search easy; if there are no high grade coins in a good sam- ple of a source than there's no need to check these further. If you check a few dozen of the mint $100 mint bags from a wide area of the country and you can't even find an MS-66 then you can be quite sure that you don't even need to look in these bags any more. If you check hundreds of mint sets from dozens of locations and there's nothing there then you don't have to look there anymore either. When you do find something then you start digging there.
If all these sources yielded high grade coins then the pop would probably be far higher. Do you really think millions of collectors can look for 6 1/2 years for the P GA and come up with only two coins if it were common?
Searching these coins is much easier than some people apparently think. One doesn't have to sit down with a microscope and methodically go through every modern ever made. One merely needs to look.
Indeed, condition rarity coins such as the 1945-P dime in Full Band slowly became recognized as rarities once the FB became a grading criteria. It does take decades for the realization that most dates/mm are quite common and few are scarce even rare.
Even experienced searchers may not see the entire gammut of the run of bags, mint sets, rolls, etc. to be sure which will be rare and which will be common.
Quite frankly, I think it is the luck of the draw! The ones that become the rarest of all are the ones people least expect!
<< <i>Indeed, condition rarity coins such as the 1945-P dime in Full Band slowly became recognized as rarities once the FB became a grading criteria. It does take decades for the realization that most dates/mm are quite common and few are scarce even rare.
Even experienced searchers may not see the entire gammut of the run of bags, mint sets, rolls, etc. to be sure which will be rare and which will be common.
Quite frankly, I think it is the luck of the draw! The ones that become the rarest of all are the ones people least expect! >>
You're quite right. There are a few ways people have missed the moderns though and most come down to one simple fact; people haven't been looking. Oh sure ever since about 1998 there have been more and more looking but in the old days it was a mere handful.
There are many of the old moderns which were not checked AND not saved. You can check all the '69 quarters you want but you'll find them all beat up in circulation. You'll also find there's quite a bit of work to check even one of them because there are a lot of other quarters in circulation too. You can't go out on the market and buy rolls of cir- culated coins to check because they aren't available you can't go out and buy original rolls and bags either because these are quite scarce. This leaves the mint sets to check. Large numbers of these are simply gone. People didn't care about them so most have alreadt met an untimely demise. You'll find that you'll need about 12 of the survivors just to find a nice attractive '69-P 25c. Good luck finding a gem or superb coin.
These sets are rarely seen more than seven or eight at a time anymore. Original sets are getting decidely tough.
Each modern has its own story to tell. Each modern was treated a little differently by collectors. Those who are interested in these coins do know that it really is luck of the draw in finding these. They also know that if you find a gem there will be another near- by. Sometimes these nearby coins will be even nicer than the first find.
I did get a PM from Wondercoin earlier and there was no mention of a offer, now he is calling me out on the board.
Are you off of your meds??? A well respected dealer and board member is offering to help you significantly, and you feel like you're being "called out"?? Are you in 6th grade or something?
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
Ty, the answer to that question is "You are trying to sell a high grade, top pop modern at a major coin show." There were probably close to 500 tables at the show with millions of coins and it very well could be that there wasn't a single certified GA quarter in the room (and probably no high grade, top pop certified state quarters either). Some would interpret the fact that they can't be found at one of the largest numismatic conventions in the country to mean they are extremely rare and valuable. While that very well may be the case with respect to what you have assuming you're describing it correctly, the real reason few, if any, were present is that the coin show circuit dealers rarely handle this type of material and the collectors who buy it don't shop for them at coin shows.
If you try to sell something to someone who doesn't want what you have, doesn't participate in that market and has no customers for it, you can be assured they will not offer you very much for it. This is not that dealer's fault. If you want a fair price for your item, then you need to take it upon yourself to find someone (either a dealer or collector) who is interested in what you have. It is sort of like trying to sell your car at the grocery store.
Instead of this post-show thread, a better approach would have been to post the following question before taking the coin to the show:
"I have a GA-__ quarter in PCGS MS-68 that I'd like to sell. What are my best options for selling this coin?"
You'd have received the advice about wondercoin, eBay, TeleTrade, etc. and saved yourself the frustration you experienced.
I hope you don't mind my asking this question, but I'm curious to know why you didn't run your GA quarter on eBay and/or post it on the BST board here? I see you have listed a GA-D in NGC 67 and a GA-P in PCGS MS 66 on eBay a few times recently and linked to the auctions from the BST. Either of these venues would have been ideal for your 68.
Also, please confirm that you really did mean to type "68" and that this was not the 66 that you were offering on the BST and eBay. The reason I ask is that the last GA-P in PCGS 66 to go through TeleTrade sold for (coincidentally) $9.
If Wondercoin is offering you several thousand for your quarter, then definitely take the offer.
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All I wanted was to trade for a $1k gold coin, hell the tv show are selling the $20 bu Gaudens/Libertys for $700 a coin. TY
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Well put the ms68 up on eBay and use the proceeds to buy your gold coin AND more. I bet those dealers were probly just tryin to rip you; they likely knew they could get a lot more than $9 for it.
Many of us like you just fine.
Camelot
I guess I wont even try to sell my 1986 VF Memorial Lincoln Penny.
Camelot
<< <i>My advice, if you want to sell it, is go to one of the market makers, eBay, Teletrade or Heritage.With a POP of #4 and unpredictable demand, the price will probably be between $2-6K
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I think these 2 sentences really sum the state of Morderns and the lack of REAL marketmakers. My fav quote: "unpredictable demand".
You are out of your disusional minds if you don't think they won't make more of these coins that ARE available by the bag load. They are too new. Plus, not everyone knows to run out and get there coins certified.
Your living a fools life if you don't think the % of these that will be slabbed over the next 5 years will blow away the % of all the MS Seated MS68's that will be graded..... >>
And your point is???? Of course there will be more slabbed over the next 5 years. Will most be MS68s? Based on current trends I would say not. Bags don't generally yield large numbers of high grades. Kind of stating the obvious but thanks anyway for explaining it to me.
it appears you posted a heck of a thread, and bear is right.
none of us are liked by everyone.
If its an expensive and condition rare Modern, you have got to hope that
the specialist needs and wants the coin because he has a customer for it.
Camelot
<< <i>it looks like wondercoin has made an offer of $3200. for this coin. i would have it on its' way there asap. >>
Seriously.
I have to agree ... you have a willing buyer if he can inspect first ...
and as far as being liked goes, borrowing some logic from the 80/20 rule ...
if 80% of the people like me 20% of the time, and 20% of the people like me 80% of the time
... well, then I'm probably not in too bad of shape.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
If i was losing classic customers to modern dealers I would hate
them too. But I am an outsider who likes half eagles looking in
with little to no bais except experience in other areas.
In some cases their judgement is clouded and they can not entertain the idea that not all moderns are the same.
i will agree. but what percentage of moderns are actually desirable
from the standpoint of a condition rarity? hard for me to tell without
a ton of studying. these forums help a lot.
I don't believe it is insanity to collect even the newer coins in high grade.
hm
Don't buy any coin for higher prices and don't believe that moderns are either poor values or uncollectible.
heck man, all coins are worth collecting. so are dirt samples.
to each his own.
will this coin be a real treat to own in 10 years? my guess is
probably not.
P.S. THE COIN HAD BETTER BE AT LEAST POP 5 AT THIS TIME (I.E. THIS PARTICULAR COIN HAS LIKELY NEVER EVEN BEEN ADDED TO THE POP REPORT), BECAUSE THIS PARTICULR COIN HAS SHOWN "POP 4" FOR SOME TIME NOW AND THE (4) COINS ARE IN THE #1 AND #2 STATE QUARTER COLLECTIONS, A PRIVATE COLLECTION BACK EAST AND A 4TH COLLECTION I AM ALSO AWARE OF BEST I KNOW TODAY.
all 4 are accounted for?
brokenarrow, what is the serial number on the slab?
Wondercoin
<< <i>i think that quarter is worth a quarter.
the people who would pay 4000 for it will find out in 2-5 years
just how dumb they were.
edited to add: laura is right. cladking can argue till he is blue
and wont change my mind. the quarter is to darn new.
edited to add: and lets all remember PCGS might very well be telling
their graders not to be creating wealth on these silly quarters.
go find a ms65 for 25 cents. >>
...........................Well let me come back into the mix here to say that the quarter in question deserves a bit more than just a quarter.I have stated it doesn't deserve a $4,000 price tag. As a modern collector there needs to be more semblance or balance of price structure.True the coin might warrant the grade but that is not the argument.......................JMO
With the right people knowing it's available I'm sure $3200.00 could be toped
Great coin BrokenArrow
<< <i>all 4 are accounted for? >>
3 are to the best of my knowledge
the 3rd being the collection back East. The 4th is a coin I believe I know exactly where it is. I could not confirm 100% if the collection back East still retains his coin, but, have no reason to suspect otherwise.
Wondercoin
If you don't have any experience selling on ebay, I would recommend Russ. He is honest, has experience, a loyal following, and treats his consignors professionally.
Ditto on the recommendation to ship the coin to Wondercoin ASAP. If it were me, the coin would have already been to the post office (we have one nearby with Sunday hours
As a classics collector, who has seen the light, I am personally tired of other classics collectors coming on and patronizing the modern collectors. Leave them be, for goodness sake. They are happy collecting their coins, I am happy collecting my coins, everyone is happy. What next? Double eagles collectors coming here and telling me half eagles ain't worth squat? Seated dollars collectors telling Peace dollar collectors that their coins are not worth more than melt. Frankly, I am grateful that there is serious collectors spending serious money on the modern stuff. Imagine if they all decided to collect 19th century gold coins, or Morgans, or Liberty nickels. With their numbers and their apparent financial firepower, they could make it a lot harder for me to complete my sets. And you, too.
<< <i>My $3,200 offer stands for the coin. Considering BrokenArrow was looking for a mere $1,000 yesterday at the show (and couldn't get it???) and can get $3,200 today.... I'd say he is sure lucky no one bought his coin yesterday. Wondercoin. >>
That kind of blows a hole in the no market makers argument.
Russ, NCNE
Camelot
Wondercoin
I don't know about any POP reports and don't care. Maybe I have a rare coin that I am being sniped from different angles. I did get a PM from Wondercoin earlier and there was no mention of a offer, now he is calling me out on the board.
You guys worry newbies like myself and others, my money is hard earned and don't need to be taken advantage of. TY
Wondercoin and everyone else I do respect your opinions and hope you respect mine. How much should I lose on my 1995 W bullion eagle? Only 31,000 in the world. TY
the difference is you have found a market maker by the name
of wondercoin.
a public offer... can't beat that!
<< <i>I don't know about any POP reports and don't care >>
that makes two of us, but there are many here on these boards who follow this type of thing closely and
rely on it's accuracy.
You have a very low population coin and they are simply asking for a submission number to verify so the population reports
could be more accurate. It is not going to divulge anything personal by letting wondercoin check the submission.
I think it's time to cease your whining and pony up the coin for more than three times what you were willing to accept yesterday.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Ok here we go again, you guys are terrible. I am offered $9 for a coin yesterday and now I am offered $3,200.00. I have a right to keep certain things private, but as I said before I do have a ms Pcgs 68 Georgia Quarter Mint D.
I don't know about any POP reports and don't care. Maybe I have a rare coin that I am being sniped from different angles. I did get a PM from Wondercoin earlier and there was no mention of a offer, now he is calling me out on the board.
You guys worry newbies like myself and others, my money is hard earned and don't need to be taken advantage of. TY
Wondercoin and everyone else I do respect your opinions and hope you respect mine. How much should I lose on my 1995 W bullion eagle? Only 31,000 in the world. TY >>
The very first paragraph of this thread says..
<< <i>.Ok As I stated before, I feel some Dealers are ripoffs. I took My Pcgs ms 68 Georgia Quarter mint p and wanted to trade with a few dealers and both jerked me around and told me my coin was worth $9. Why would pcgs have this coin I own in their price guide @ $4,000.00? And I'm told it isn't worth notta? >>
Now you say ...
Mint D
Just which is it????
<< <i>How much should I lose on my 1995 W bullion eagle? Only 31,000 in the world. TY >>
Wondercoin has already stated he's paying $4800, providing it's in good shape.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Now you say ...
Mint D
Just which is it???? >>
OOPS!
Russ, NCNE
Wondercoin
<< <i>I bet its a PR68 not a ms68!! So its likely a proof coin? >>
That's what it's beginning to look like. If that's the case, $9 was generous.
Russ, NCNE
Those who think a ton more of these will be found and slabbed are NOT the ones who search for them.
Those who think it is indeed a rare coin worth a lot of money, ARE the ones who search for them.
So do you believe the people who know what they are talking about, or the people who don't know what they're talking about?
5k + Coin
Since PM's are flying I'm a buyer as well
maybe they searched bags that were full of coins struck from
later die states, were transported harshly from place to place,
or otherwise did not have the best sources?
how does one get the first few coins struck by the mint for
each die when i thought it was more or less random who
they end up with (meaning banks i suppose).
so i guess a group of 100 people would need, oh, a few decades
of searching to go through 15% of the mintage?
<< <i>With the GIGANTIC mintages on these quarters, there will be many extremely upset collectors in the years ahead as thousands of formerly rare grades become common. >>
First of all more than 98% of most modern issues will be in circulation within three years. These
do not really require searching since the coins degrade rapidly. In any case within 6 years there
will be no uncs of the typical quarter remaining in circulation as an unc. Go look if you don't believe
it. This meand you only have to check the coins that were set aside. With many moderns there
were none set aside so you're all done assuming there were no mint sets for that issue. Now
comes the part that really makes the search easy; if there are no high grade coins in a good sam-
ple of a source than there's no need to check these further. If you check a few dozen of the mint
$100 mint bags from a wide area of the country and you can't even find an MS-66 then you can be
quite sure that you don't even need to look in these bags any more. If you check hundreds of mint
sets from dozens of locations and there's nothing there then you don't have to look there anymore
either. When you do find something then you start digging there.
If all these sources yielded high grade coins then the pop would probably be far higher. Do you
really think millions of collectors can look for 6 1/2 years for the P GA and come up with only two coins
if it were common?
Searching these coins is much easier than some people apparently think. One doesn't have to sit
down with a microscope and methodically go through every modern ever made. One merely needs
to look.
Even experienced searchers may not see the entire gammut of the run of bags, mint sets, rolls, etc. to be sure which will be rare and which will be common.
Quite frankly, I think it is the luck of the draw! The ones that become the rarest of all are the ones people least expect!
<< <i>Indeed, condition rarity coins such as the 1945-P dime in Full Band slowly became recognized as rarities once the FB became a grading criteria. It does take decades for the realization that most dates/mm are quite common and few are scarce even rare.
Even experienced searchers may not see the entire gammut of the run of bags, mint sets, rolls, etc. to be sure which will be rare and which will be common.
Quite frankly, I think it is the luck of the draw! The ones that become the rarest of all are the ones people least expect! >>
You're quite right. There are a few ways people have missed the moderns though and
most come down to one simple fact; people haven't been looking. Oh sure ever since
about 1998 there have been more and more looking but in the old days it was a mere
handful.
There are many of the old moderns which were not checked AND not saved. You can
check all the '69 quarters you want but you'll find them all beat up in circulation. You'll
also find there's quite a bit of work to check even one of them because there are a lot
of other quarters in circulation too. You can't go out on the market and buy rolls of cir-
culated coins to check because they aren't available you can't go out and buy original
rolls and bags either because these are quite scarce. This leaves the mint sets to check.
Large numbers of these are simply gone. People didn't care about them so most have
alreadt met an untimely demise. You'll find that you'll need about 12 of the survivors just
to find a nice attractive '69-P 25c. Good luck finding a gem or superb coin.
These sets are rarely seen more than seven or eight at a time anymore. Original sets
are getting decidely tough.
Each modern has its own story to tell. Each modern was treated a little differently by
collectors. Those who are interested in these coins do know that it really is luck of the
draw in finding these. They also know that if you find a gem there will be another near-
by. Sometimes these nearby coins will be even nicer than the first find.
Are you off of your meds??? A well respected dealer and board member is offering to help you significantly, and you feel like you're being "called out"?? Are you in 6th grade or something?
What am I doing wrong....
Ty, the answer to that question is "You are trying to sell a high grade, top pop modern at a major coin show." There were probably close to 500 tables at the show with millions of coins and it very well could be that there wasn't a single certified GA quarter in the room (and probably no high grade, top pop certified state quarters either). Some would interpret the fact that they can't be found at one of the largest numismatic conventions in the country to mean they are extremely rare and valuable. While that very well may be the case with respect to what you have assuming you're describing it correctly, the real reason few, if any, were present is that the coin show circuit dealers rarely handle this type of material and the collectors who buy it don't shop for them at coin shows.
If you try to sell something to someone who doesn't want what you have, doesn't participate in that market and has no customers for it, you can be assured they will not offer you very much for it. This is not that dealer's fault. If you want a fair price for your item, then you need to take it upon yourself to find someone (either a dealer or collector) who is interested in what you have. It is sort of like trying to sell your car at the grocery store.
Instead of this post-show thread, a better approach would have been to post the following question before taking the coin to the show:
"I have a GA-__ quarter in PCGS MS-68 that I'd like to sell. What are my best options for selling this coin?"
You'd have received the advice about wondercoin, eBay, TeleTrade, etc. and saved yourself the frustration you experienced.
WH
I hope you don't mind my asking this question, but I'm curious to know why you didn't run your GA quarter on eBay and/or post it on the BST board here? I see you have listed a GA-D in NGC 67 and a GA-P in PCGS MS 66 on eBay a few times recently and linked to the auctions from the BST. Either of these venues would have been ideal for your 68.
Also, please confirm that you really did mean to type "68" and that this was not the 66 that you were offering on the BST and eBay. The reason I ask is that the last GA-P in PCGS 66 to go through TeleTrade sold for (coincidentally) $9.
Thanks,
WH
Authorized dealer for PCGS, PCGS Currency, NGC, NCS, PMG, CAC. Member of the PNG, ANA. Member dealer of CoinPlex and CCE/FACTS as "CH5"