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1914 Proof Set..Guess The Grade Or Just Enjoy!!

Someone asked me to post pics of this Proof Set. Guess the grade if you like. I'll post the grades later.
Any scratches are on the slabs.
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PF-66
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PF-67
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PF-66
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PF-66
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PF-66
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  • oh wow, from the same envelope from the mint?
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    [drool]SCHWEET!!![/drool]
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭
    Now, that is awesome image
    Love the toning image
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  • The coins are GREAT !...........

    I think the original envelope is what does it for me !


    DAN
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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Wow, very cool. Some truly unmolested coins there. That envelope only adds to the allure. I really like the quarter and the half.

    Tom
    Tom

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The coins are GREAT !...........

    I think the original envelope is what does it for me !


    DAN >>



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  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    I'll just enjoy image
  • TUMUSSTUMUSS Posts: 2,207
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  • Holy Crap ™
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  • where did that come from? are they for sale?

    david
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Nice set.
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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>where did that come from? >>


    The Mintimage

    I'll post the grades now. I just don't understand the grading on this set, at all? They have only been submitted once and this is the first time the set has been in holders.
    .01...PF-66
    .05...PF-67
    .10...PF-66
    .25...PF-66
    .50...PF-66
    With all the overgraded coins I see I think they were pretty hard on this set. I guess they don't like totally original and unmolested coins?
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  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    C'mon Elwood, tell the kids where the lucky owner bought it!

    This proof set is even more gorgeous in person -- an incredibly cool property. When it was offered at auction in July 1977, it was with a collection of intact proof sets stretching from 1867 to 1916, a set of exactly 2 coins. Before that, Lester Merkin had it and some fuzzy-haired guy catalogued it.

  • That is one of the neatest things I've seen in a long time! Thanks for sharing!!
  • and only 4 cents to mail them !!

    Are the stamps rare ?


    Dan
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  • image Holy Crap. WOW, beautiful coins and the envelope.

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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>C'mon Elwood, tell the kids where the lucky owner bought it! >>



    OK.....J.K.

    Here's a plug. Purchased from ANR at the FUN Show.

    My thanks to ANR and the Consignor!!!!
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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>Before that, Lester Merkin had it and some fuzzy-haired guy catalogued it. >>


    The fuzzy-haired guy happened to be Walter Breen and here is the envelope from that sale, with Breens written description.
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  • Absolutely stunning!!!!!!
  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Indescribably delicious! Congratulations, what a fantastic set of coins.
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  • Superb set! The grades look OK from here. If I had all the coins under my lamp and took photos of them and had them hanging around for a few days I might disagree with the grades (hint, hint!). I like each coin individually, but like the set more than the sum of the parts. Synergy!
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For all persons who think proof sets and proof coins are not anything special, I dare them to say that about this 1914 set. What a gorgeous set of coins and the original packaging just makes it all the more special. I would love to get my hands on a proof set like the pictured 1914 set.
  • mhammermanmhammerman Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭
    Well, how come there are no $5 or $10 indians in this proof set...how were these issued to collectors? Did you have to know somebody? Were they issued in Mint Sets?

    Curious


    Oh yes...outstanding set!!!
  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭✭
    Simply outstanding set.....

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  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>Well, how come there are no $5 or $10 indians in this proof set... >>


    I don't think there were actual "Proof Sets" (as we think of today) that were issued. You had to buy each coin individually. In this case the collectro ordered all but the gold coins. I believe some of the 19th Century proof sets were sold as sets or as presentation sets in special boxes or leather cases.

    Maybe someone with more knowledge on the subject can respond??
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  • WOW! what a set. you should be very proud to be their caretaker.

    Dan
    The glass is half full!
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  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    For info on prices of gold proof sets of this era, check out QDB's History of US Coinage, pp477 and following.

    Gold and silver proof sets were different products, just like a 3 pieces and a 5 piece commem set might be different products today. Most, predictably, only wanted the silver. You'd have to be nuts or incredibly rich to collect double eagles then, right? Imagine collecting $100 bills fresh from the bank by plate block today. Now imagine having to pay $110 for the same bill. Proof Lib $20s were bringing about $21 a piece at auction in this period (seriously!)

    Here's a for instance: Robert Garrett, who ran track on the 1896 Olympic team, paid Henry Chapman $38.50 for a 1910 gold proof set on May 11, 1910. The face value was $37.50. A silver proof set with 91 cents face value cost $1.50. The 1911 proof sets cost Garrett the same amount and Henry Chapman told him that that was "the exact cost at the mint."

    Garrett got a break on the 1914 sets. The gold proof set + the silver proof set cost him $39.75.

    Elwood paid more. Silly coin collector.
  • Holy hell... What a stunning set....
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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UFB!!! Even the empty envelop is worth something!

    WS
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,614 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    Gold and silver proof sets were different products, just like a 3 pieces and a 5 piece commem set might be different products today. Most, predictably, only wanted the silver. You'd have to be nuts or incredibly rich to collect double eagles then, right? Imagine collecting $100 bills fresh from the bank by plate block today. Now imagine having to pay $110 for the same bill. Proof Lib $20s were bringing about $21 a piece at auction in this period (seriously!)

    Here's a for instance: Robert Garrett, who ran track on the 1896 Olympic team, paid Henry Chapman $38.50 for a 1910 gold proof set on May 11, 1910. The face value was $37.50. A silver proof set with 91 cents face value cost $1.50. The 1911 proof sets cost Garrett the same amount and Henry Chapman told him that that was "the exact cost at the mint."
    >>



    Worse yet, if you bought gold sets in the 1860s, you had to pay gold for gold. If you paid with currency, the sets cost over $100!
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way cool! The envelope adds so much personality and depth to what is already an awesome set. What do the wax seals on the envelope say? Are they basically the equivalent to the paper packaging tape we need to use for registered mail today? Is there complete record of the provenance of the set back to the Rev. William Richmond written on the envelope? Does he have descendents in Summerville, SC, that should be paid a visit? image
  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>What do the wax seals on the envelope say? >>


    To tell you the truth I haven't look that closely at the seals. I put the set away when I got home and just brought it out to takes pics and enjoy. Haven't opened it up to look at the tissues either.
    I'm headed out to lunch. Let you know when I get back.
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Outstanding set. image

    That is one I would never part with, and pass on to my kids. With all the history, truely a priceless item. Which would be near impossible to replace.

    Where on earth did you get it?
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great Set!

    I can't remember ever seeing an early Proof set with the envelope included.

    I hope that you are not going to break this set up. It should be kept intact, AND the whole should be worth more than the parts. But sadly that is not always the case. So many of these sets have been broken through the years that they are now becoming quite scarce.
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  • F117ASRF117ASR Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭
    Amazing! Absolutely fantastic! I wonder if there are any more out there in their envelopes just waiting to be discovered
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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is totally cool! Quick question...does anyone know how the Mint packaged the items in the origianl envelope? Smaller envelopes or ?? I know this is a minor detail and am not looking to ask anything that would detract from the OP of the coins, just curious that is all.

    Thanks!

    K
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    That is one of the coolest things ever.
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  • nepbrs44nepbrs44 Posts: 600 ✭✭
    That is Soooooooooooooo Neat!!image
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    elwood, thats an incredible set indeed!!!




    << <i>C'mon Elwood, tell the kids where the lucky owner bought it!

    This proof set is even more gorgeous in person -- an incredibly cool property. When it was offered at auction in July 1977, it was with a collection of intact proof sets stretching from 1867 to 1916, a set of exactly 2 coins. Before that, Lester Merkin had it and some fuzzy-haired guy catalogued it. >>



    John, it's always nice to see you popup on the board. It is also no wonder this set came from ANR.image
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  • WOW! What a beautiful set to behold! And the envelope to boot! Congratulations!
  • TO HELL with what pcgs thinks about this set....they are now preserved in plastic.
    If that set was mine i would make a barnwood display case for it and the paper work.
    It would be so far back in my "BLACK HOLE" and i would only take it out to drool on my birthday.
    SLURP!!
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  • Wow, Beautiful...
    ...
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And now.....back to my miserable dreck. image

    Thanks for the pic. Amazing find.
  • elwoodelwood Posts: 2,414


    << <i>What do the wax seals on the envelope say? >>


    Here's a close up. It says SUPT. U.S.MINT PHILA.
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    << <i>That is totally cool! Quick question...does anyone know how the Mint packaged the items in the origianl envelope? Smaller envelopes or ?? >>


    Each coin was wrapped individually in their own little wrappers (tissue). They are included with this set but I haven't wanted to unseal the plastic they came in to take a look. I'm saving that as a treat. Someday I'll take a look. Original tissues are very rare and few still exist.



    << <i>I hope that you are not going to break this set up. It should be kept intact, AND the whole should be worth more than the parts. But sadly that is not always the case. So many of these sets have been broken through the years that they are now becoming quite scarce. >>


    Bill....That is one of the reasons I purchased the set. To keep it intact. Several of the recent sales of Original Proof Sets, that I know of, have now been broken up. I think it is a shame.image
    Sometimes it is to Cherry Pick a coin or two out of the set and sometimes it is to replace one of the original, lesser quality, coins in the set with a nicer quality coin. If a person was to do the this it sure would be nice if they'd keep the original coin also, but in many instances it is sold off therefore breaking up the set.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    a lil revival here to enjoy
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭
    I guess I missed the posting of this set the first time around because I sure would have remembered it. image

    I hope that this set is still intact. Beautiful.


    Mike
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had the coins still been in the sealed envelope, would the set be eligible for First Strike™?
  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    WOW
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for bring it back- love that set!
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