I'm fed up with all these SSPs !

SYRACUSIAN · February 6, 2006 2:29AM

Lately, and after a long discussion on the subject,most regular Darksiders have reduced their SSPs to the absolute minimum and their offerings can be found in our weekly swap. We found out that it works better this way for everybody, unless it's a one off listing of an important number of items or simply one very rare coin.I sincerely ask some members ,especially the non regulars, to follow this example and avoid threads such as this and this, (that could have at least be in one thread if the swap doesn't sound satisfactory) or this,ie threads for very common coins by members who hardly ever contribute a single word on this board but have no trouble to abuse the patience and good will of the others by ttts and more SSPs.

I'm sorry ,but this kind of continuous annoying SSPs is plain spam and do not offer any special advantages to their always absent from other threads authors.There are Darksiders who sell big numbers of very nice coins almost weekly and yet they will never take advantage of our liberal system. Just my opinion on the subject, no intention to offend anybody,but I'm sure I speak in the name of many more.

coinpictures · February 6, 2006 2:41AM

While I agree in principle, I think there can be exceptions. For example, when I posted about opening a web page to sell coins. Sure it was SSP, but I was also looking for feedback and suggestions. Not only would I not want that to get lost in the weekly swap thread, but I wouldn't want to clutter up that thread for other readers with people providing feedback.

I think there can be some grey areas here...

-Dan

ajaan · February 6, 2006 2:45AM

Dan, yours was fine. You are a regularly contributing darksider. I think syracusian is more concerned about those who only visit the WAC to sell things. The BST board is for those.

Also, the SSP was originally, I'm talking 3-4 years ago, set up with the stipulation that the SSPer will every so often hold a giveaway as 'punishment'. It doesn't have to be an expensive coin, but it is the thought that counts. This half of the equation seems to be ignored a lot lately.

theboz11 · February 6, 2006 2:46AM

<< " think there can be some grey areas here" >>

Why single out Canadian collectors

rhound1977 · February 6, 2006 2:46AM

The same ole stuff does get kinda old, I usually ignore many of them but I like the Weekly Swap thread, infact I may add to it later today, been doing some house cleaning.

cacheman · February 6, 2006 3:18AM

In a nutshell, this forum went "Liteside" about eight months ago and has gone downhill from there....with the exception of a few here, the original intent for why we collect darkside has been completely lost under a slag pile of plastic and ebay mediocrity. JMHO.

1jester · February 6, 2006 3:24AM

I couldn't agree more!! We used to have only several SSPs max in a week's time, and now the board is about 1/4 SSPs, and many of them by non-contributors. Let's please keep all the coins offered to the weekly swap threads. Thank you.

PS: for the record, I do have an SSP on the board now, and I've had about exactly 2 SSPs in the 4 years I've been here.

Smittys · February 6, 2006 3:49AM

As I can see this is pointed at me, maybe not directly but in most. I can't seem to do anything right
on the darkside. I ask questions on value I get buy the book.
Most have been friendly however others think I'm just here to sell.
I read the darkside entries everyday, don't respond much because I'm learning and have
nothing to add.
I just put SSP's when I get something that I think one of the darksiders might can and i try to sell
cheap. So far all that have bought or traded have been pleased.
Maybe I do need to read more up on the weekly swap but I thought it was more a swap then
selling board.
If I have offended anyone I applogize.

1jester · February 6, 2006 4:10AM

Smittys, I'm sorry you were offended by my response. I didn't mean to single you out; in fact your presence on the Darkside is so rare that I didn't even take notice, even of your SSPs. I tend to agree more with what Cacheman said, in that it's not only the SSPs, but rather a lot of bragging about the coins people are buying, and how much of a rip they were, and how people are tending to become more aggressive and arrogant over here. This is a downward slide that I really regret seeing. I don't think the comments are aimed at you in particular. I'm sorry you feel singled out. Please stick around!

Steve27 · February 6, 2006 4:23AM

I think Scott hit the real problem "... the original intent for why we collect darkside has been completely lost under a slag pile of plastic and ebay mediocrity. JMHO."

SYRACUSIAN · February 6, 2006 4:32AM

Smittys, I have no problem with anybody in particular, your SSPs happened to be a recent example, so I used them to illustrate my point. The weekly swap is by far the thread with the biggest number of views, even if PCGS doesn't provide the number of views anymore, but trust me, nothing gets lost there. And if it doesn't sell one week, you can always copy and paste them at the next week's swap. You can even start it yourself if it's Friday and the previous one has ended.

The problem with so many SSPs is not the lacking giveaway(s), but the fact that interesting ,albeit more esoteric threads, get pushed behind and they easily go to the second and third page ,thus losing the chance to be read by many members. For me it's very simple, if you have items for sale, post them at the swap, which indeed is an euphemism,as it is mostly composed by buying and selling posts, although swaps often occur as well. Tonight, a regularly contributing member (other than Jester, who indeed hasn't done more than two SSPs ever since I registered and both with very interesting coins), is selling some top of the line coins and yet, he hasn't posted a word about them, apparently he knows that the real interested parties would have discovered them anyway.

I certainly don't pretend to be a moderator or a self appointed policeman of these boards, far from it. But if all the members who occasionally have a coin or two to sell post their own SSPs, then the Darkside would risk to become an extremely boring place. Clankeye said the other day that it has a way of self-regulating itself, but in my opinion it also needs a push from time to time, at least from those who care about it. Finally, today I was browsing the BST board and I was surprised to see some world coins for sale by Ken (Fairleneman), who has been a regular contributor here at times ,always with interesting things to say. If he's posting his Darkside coins at the BST, there must be a reason.And it's ok to ask as many pricing questions as you want, I never had a problem with that. However, I would have expected a little more positive contribution from someone with your experience other than pricing questions and SSPs, but like I said, you're not the one I was referring to exclusively, there are lots of others and they know very well who they are.

Pretty much a similar situation with the people who only post in giveaways.

laurentyvan · February 6, 2006 4:40AM

In a nutshell, this forum went "Liteside" about eight months ago and has gone downhill from there....with the exception of a few here, the original intent for why we collect darkside has been completely lost under a slag pile of plastic and ebay mediocrity. JMHO.

I agree with syracusian and Scott and others here-if frequent SSP's are accompanied by return posts to regular members coin posts and the very occasional giveaway to ease the wheels, so to speak, no one minds.

However the Blitzgreig posting mentality of SSP's makes the forum feel cheap, like it's there to be taken advantage of for folks without Krause (one or two inquiries ain't bad-six to ten from the same new member can get old) or for members who only ever have something to sell and want to advertise it.

I include no old members (who get all the slack they want) -usually members who have come in in the last 12 months or so and don't participate other than as mentioned can be the prime offenders.

mact · February 6, 2006 4:46AM

I have been away from the boards for a while and I recently posted an SSP because it seemed the way to sell darkside stuff. I was not aware of the weekly swap thread. I did the SSP because my original post was in the BST forum and got no darkside play.

I like the idea of the swap thread to avoid pushing down other more interesting topics. And I do agree that the darkside forum has become more like the liteside forum.

This thread is good for newcomers and returnees to understand the purpose of the forum and specific threads.

matt

spoon · February 6, 2006 4:58AM

If I may add a comment on a tangential theme... I love the Weekly Swap and largely agree on the points raised in this thread.

But can we please keep the picture size and number to a minimum in the Swap thread?! Those things kill me and I'm on cable! Perhaps posters should include moderate-sized pics of their one or two showcase offerings and links to the other pics?

I always love checking and re-checking the thread when I see another regular has posted to it (don't want to miss out on anything!), but by the 12th post in the thread it gets a bit burdensome!

Refrema · February 6, 2006 4:59AM

Laurentyvan & Syracusian both echoed my feelings.

It has been a couple of years since I even looked at the light side forum, but it does seem that the information type topics are far and few between on the darkside lately. I really do enjoy the diverse range of knowledge that is available here. We can all learn from each other.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Bob

coinpictures · February 6, 2006 5:05AM

<< I tend to agree more with what Cacheman said, in that it's not only the SSPs, but rather a lot of bragging about the coins people are buying, and how much of a rip they were, and how people are tending to become more aggressive and arrogant over here. >>

I'm guessing this one was directed at me. I didn't realize that my posting pictures of my (perhaps too frequent) acquisitions offended so many people. Or is it the fact that I post prices that people find offensive?

I'm thinking it's time for a vacation from the board for a while, as for the life of me I cannot figure out all the different camps and just exactly which groups are going to get pissed off or disgruntled about one post or another.

I, for one, enjoy reading (and more importantly seeing) all of the acquisitions here. I had no idea that it upset some folks.

I think I'll take my "Ebay mediocrity" and spend some time stamp collecting for a while...

This whole thread just bothers me, and bothers me bigtime...

laurentyvan · February 6, 2006 5:20AM

I'm guessing this one was directed at me.

I don't think so coinpictures. Your posts are informative and image rich-No problems with you...

It all depends on what we want this forum to be. When scott posts informative, authoritive, and beautifully imaged threads and gets two answers while grades received posts gather 4 to 5 times more responses, I'm not surprised he and others don't post more.

This is probably not intended to be a closed-circle, self-congratulatory appreciation on Darkside grades, which while important, are not the primary "raison d'etre" of this forum.

Elverno has drifted, as well as Scott; Cosmic used to post more as well as a host of others.

I think PCGS needs to establish a Buy, Sell, Trade/SSP forum for darkside only coins-no lightside allowed-this might begin to keep everyone happy.

ajaan · February 6, 2006 5:30AM

<< I think PCGS needs to establish a Buy, Sell, Trade/SSP forum for darkside only coins-no lightside allowed-this might begin to keep everyone happy. >>

I agree with this. I think it may be time but World coins seem to take a back seat. Perhaps it is best if we have no SSP threads other than the weekly swap. This would keep it to one thread per week at the most.

From now on, I will not start a SSP thread unless it is the Weekly Swap.

1jester · February 6, 2006 5:33AM

Coinpix, I wouldn't want you to go away. I'm sorry if you feel offended.

Although this thread hurts in all its soul-bearing, I think it's a good idea to get it out in the open. The Darkside has seen a lot of new traffic over the past year or so, and I don't think I speak for myself only when I say that I'd like to maintain the quality of informative posts (and pictures) as the quantity increases. It's a challenge, and I know we're up to the challenge. We can keep this THE forum to go to on the internet, if we make a concerted effort to keep quality over quantity. I know we can do it.

elverno · February 6, 2006 5:34AM

It's an interesting thread. I indeed lurk almost exclusively here rather than bother to post. It's no reflection on anyone at all. However I don't collect grades or plastic nor do I sell items from my collection. For those that do this remains a valuable forum, and the company of like-minded collectors is always worth the effort. For myself many of my good friends here have found their way (indeed led me) to another place that is, as yet, a collectors forum.

rhound1977 · February 6, 2006 5:35AM

<< 

<< I think PCGS needs to establish a Buy, Sell, Trade/SSP forum for darkside only coins-no lightside allowed-this might begin to keep everyone happy. >>

I agree with this. I think it may be time but World coins seem to take a back seat. Perhaps it is best if we have no SSP threads other than the weekly swap. This would keep it to one thread per week at the most.

From now on, I will not start a SSP thread unless it is the Weekly Swap. >>

WE need a darkside BST forum, darkside stuff get's lost, I haven't looked in there in over a year....

SYRACUSIAN · February 6, 2006 5:37AM

But can we please keep the picture size and number to a minimum in the Swap thread?! Those things kill me and I'm on cable! Perhaps posters should include moderate-sized pics of their one or two showcase offerings and links to the other pics?

I'm guilty of this and have only recently realized what a pain it must be for dialuppers or even broadband users!

Well from now on, I will only post links to photos , or the ebay style gallery mini photos, thanks for pointing this out spoon.

BS · February 6, 2006 5:48AM

Sorry I did one recently, won't do any more.

coinpictures · February 6, 2006 5:52AM

I guess the attitude I'm knee-jerking against is one that I've seen on other boards, when oldtimers get disgruntled with the way things are going and start lamenting about "the way things used to be", their first thought is to ban or restrict types of postings that they don't enjoy or feel comfortable with.

If you don't like it, don't read it. After a while, you learn to recognize whose posts you're most likely to enjoy or not enjoy.

One thing that I think gets forgotten is that people come here for a wide variety of reasons. Whereas some enjoy more cerebral posts discussing obscure ephemera, some may just want to come here and see pictures, or show off what they've found, or ask questions about common coinage, or talk about the latest NCLT.

You cannot force people to post on specific topics or converse in such-and-such a manner.

I'll be frank: some of the more educational threads here make my eyes glaze over, either because they're about areas I don't collect, or are discussing things at an extremely high analytical or historical level, and my frame of reference is limited. I don't necessarily enjoy them. I don't complain about them though, since I figure that more is always better than less.

I'm getting the vibe that some people want this to be their sandbox and don't like posts that fall outside of their sphere of enjoyment.

I concur that a Darkside BST forum would be a welcome addition, but barring that, I really don't like attempting to reduce people's posts...

Clankeye · February 6, 2006 5:53AM

Coinpictures--I really doubt that much of this was directed at you, and I believe you are taking it too personally. But, I also understand why you might feel that way from some of the comments. You are an active, contributing member, and are important to this forum.

<<coinpictures I wrote that before reading your post just above>>

All I really have to say is this: about the idea that talk of "plastic" or discussing grades received erodes the quality of this forum, I just don't agree. I believe in an inclusive forum where there is room for everyone to share whatever their particular area of interest is.

The third party grading services are a part of my experience of this hobby. I realize there are large number of Darksiders who look upon this "intrusion" into their hobby with distaste. But, I don't. And sometimes I find that there are interesting discussions that are initiated that have to do with the grade of a coin, or how a particular third party grading company goes about their business in relation to that coin or series.

There are a lot of excellent, informative and knowledge enhancing posts on this forum that do not garner a lot of replies. Not because they go unread, or are underappreciated, but IMO because they do not generate much interaction or even need of a reply beyond saying "thank you for that" or "that's amazing and beautiful."

As far as the SSP's go. No big deal to me. I think the swap thread can handle it if it's a problem. I do think it's poor for members who do not otherwise participate here to start them and ttt them. But, those are obvious cases.

Clankeye

laurentyvan · February 6, 2006 5:55AM

You know, I don't think I want SSP's to go away altogether, it's just the gratuitous posting of them to the exclusion of all else that can get annoying.

I've gotten some mighty fine coins from SSP's-it's the abuse of the thing that makes it spurious and light-sided

I also think this subject can be discussed without feeking guilty about past action-just good, clean, honest discourse.

For myself many of my good friends here have found their way (indeed led me) to another place that is, as yet, a collectors forum. They sure are collectors-and you'd better post in the correct forum!

Smittys · February 6, 2006 6:06AM

I will try to post SSP in weekly swaps

For the record, since Nov 2004 I've had 13 SSP's and 4 Giveaways

Most of the time I'm either asking questions like what is it? or reading others post.

I'm still a newbie to the darkside.

elverno · February 6, 2006 6:13AM

<< They sure are collectors-and you'd better post in the correct forum!

>>

Hehe, point taken.

I'll respond to another comment by again saying that it's me that doesn't collect graded material. I'm sure it has its place in the hobby, it just isn't a part of the hobby I'm interested in. In my opinion; admittedly a minority one, it turns historic objects that performed a human function (money) into items of commerce.

I've always considered numismatics in terms of history and beauty. But I certainly understand that everyone has their own reason to participate in this wonderful hobby. Scott's comment pretty well reflects my feelings, I actually scan the forum now looking for the odd posting with some information and I would join others coinpictures in saying that your posts (and others of course) are in fact the reason I continue to check in. But I do skip about 90% at this point...

FilamCoins · February 6, 2006 8:27AM

Gosh, I didn't realize there was a problem with the forum. I've really enjoyed my time here so far. I guess those SSP's from people who only post SSP's can be annoying, but I just don't read them. I already know which forum members collect the kind of coins I'm interested in and I keep an eye out for their posts. I've bought several coins (and sold a few dups) in the weekly swap. It's a great thread. A BST thread would be just as good, albeit maybe a bit more of a hassle as we would have to enter another forum. Just a few more clicks I guess. No big deal.

Here are a few quotes that reflect my thoughts on this matter. These guys say it better than I could have:

Coinpictures - "If you don't like it, don't read it. After a while, you learn to recognize whose posts you're most likely to enjoy or not enjoy. One thing that I think gets forgotten is that people come here for a wide variety of reasons." BTW, sir, pls don't go away. Your posts are some of my favorites!

Clankeye - "All I really have to say is this: about the idea that talk of "plastic" or discussing grades received erodes the quality of this forum, I just don't agree. I believe in an inclusive forum where there is room for everyone to share whatever their particular area of interest is."

Have a nice day

Fairlaneman · February 6, 2006 8:46AM

Courtesy... maybe one day it will get contagious. Right at the moment it is not.

Ken

spinaker2000 · February 6, 2006 8:56AM

If you go into "Customize" above, you can add up to 100 threads per page. Personally, I use about 50, but the more threads the bigger the first page is. I hardly ever get to thread 25 before seeing things that I have already read. This is your forum, make it as big, or small as you want.

Cruzi · February 6, 2006 10:47AM

I think its just a courtesy thing.

SSP's are fine, but I do resent people who seem to do nothing else.

Pics are great, I'm on dial-up and have to wait some time for most threads to show.
When I have waited patiently for 10 mins I like to see a coin picture though, not a picture of plastic holder. (personal thing)

Grades, slab etc, not a fan but they have a function, so I choose not to read most invovling these.

I do not think that old guard is settling in and poking barbs at new guys, rather I think that respect for threads and forum are lacking and some need reminding.

There is room for all in here, just respect others and they in turn should respect you.

spoon · February 6, 2006 10:56AM

It's always good to see these sort of discussion threads. But everything being said here, I don't think the forum "has a problem". Of course there are things that bore us or annoy us in each our own way, and things can be made better (

). Heck, while we're at it, I say Jester should bring back the Challenges! That was always one of my favorite attractions here

wybrit · February 6, 2006 11:06AM

My thoughts:

* Coinpictures, I like your threads. You display unbridled enthusiasm about your collection and hobby. We need more, not less, of that here. Keep the pictures and coins coming!!

* SSPs are fine by me. I'd rather buy coins here than on ebay. I still fail to see any really gross violations or excess.

* Plastic has become part of the hobby. I don't really like it anymore than others, but have learned to accept the change. There are certainly threads on the subject that help me learn new things.

* If a thread title doesn't interest me, I move on. There's room for everyone here, except for trolls.

Edited to correct poor typing - as usual.

Aethelred · February 6, 2006 11:22AM

I am as guilty of posting SSPs here as anyone and perhaps more so than most. I hope that these threads have not offended anyone and that I am not seen as someone who is only here to sell coins. I have always attempted to limit my SSP threads to not more than one per week and I will often go several weeks without posting such a thread.

I have never minded the SSP threads as long as I know ahead of time what the nature of the thread I am about to open is. I agree with the comment above by Wybrit, I would rather buy from or sell to one of you than someone on eBay and in fact many of my better coins have come from Darksiders.

I hope that we will be able to work these (minor) problems out and continue to enjoy this great little slice of the web which I still believe is the best coin spot avaliable online. If we are not able to police ourself, it will be done for us and I doubt any of us want that.

coinkat · February 7, 2006 9:53AM

This thread seems to be going in two directions... the first is obvious in that SSP threads are offering coins for sale... I am stopping here because I made my thoughts clear on another thread on this subject... and the Readers' Digest condensed version is a separate Forum is needed and required.

Now lets deal with the other DIRECTION that in part deals with plastic and grading. Folks... I am sorry to say that there is an effort to develop an acceptable grading standard that collectors everywhere understand and appreciate. Plastic... whether it be PCGS, NGC, ANACS or ICG is here and it is not going away and it can help depending upon how you buy coins. I would much rather buy a graded coin by PCGS or NGC over the net than a raw coin that may have big problems that the TPG company would catch and "bag" the coin for reasons apparent to a collector that understands grading.

I do not see the negs of posting a "guess the grade", or a "I got grades back" and offering grading comments. Lets be honest for a moment, there are times it nice to have a second opinion and that should not leave the forum because it does not seem to be abused.

Please feel free to disagree...

Clankeye · February 7, 2006 1:28PM

<< Please feel free to disagree... >>

Sorry, I can't.

Aethelred · February 7, 2006 9:15PM

<< 

I do not see the negs of posting a "guess the grade", or a "I got grades back" and offering grading comments. Lets be honest for a moment, there are times it nice to have a second opinion and that should not leave the forum because it does not seem to be abused. >>

I agree, slabs are as much a part of world coin collecting now as they are a part of US collecting AND they are very much an asset to this hobby! There are some people who do not like them and that is fine, but they are here and will continue to grow in importance in the future. For that reason it would be silly not to have threads here about slabbed coins.

bosox · February 7, 2006 10:27PM

I guess all this raises the question in my mind, am I one of the culprits of whom people are speaking? I don't sell anything here, but I do post what I consider to be notable Canada and Newfoundland cents when I purchase them. Does this offend people. If so, I can stop. I tend to post them because, I am proud of owning them, and high grade greyside coins often don't see light outside the bank vault. I thought others might like to see them. I certainly am not trying to annoy folks.

MacCrimmon · February 7, 2006 10:48PM

<< I guess all this raises the question in my mind, am I one of the culprits of whom people are speaking? I don't sell anything here, but I do post what I consider to be notable Canada and Newfoundland cents when I purchase them. Does this offend people. If so, I can stop. I tend to post them because, I am proud of owning them, and high grade greyside coins often don't see light outside the bank vault. I thought others might like to see them. I certainly am not trying to annoy folks.

>>

Bosox, I think this speaks to SSPs, and trying to head off a total deluge of such threads scattered as a shotgun blast.

I, for one, truly appreciate it when you post those latest bronze CanVic acquisitions. I say, the redder the better, although wildly, natural toned coppers are also somehow special too.

SYRACUSIAN · February 7, 2006 11:12PM

Bosox has a point, and so does coinkat. This thread was a protest post to those who abuse our system with SSPs without the slightest contribution anywhere else, and somehow it turned into a slab/antislab discussion seasoned with some bitter comments regarding some members who post expensive and nice coins. Why, I don't know. We're all in this hobby,but with different views. There are people who won't spend above $5 for any coin,and others who spend thousands and buy the finest coins of their specialty because they can afford it and because that's how they perceive and enjoy the hobby. Who's to say that one way or the other is wrong? To each his own, I'd personally find this place extremely boring if any of these diametrically opposite views were missing.

mojoman · February 8, 2006 1:39PM

Hi,I am guilty and aplogize ,I do come here everyday ,I read and look at what others are selling also I ask questions I am no EXPERT in the darkside coins but I am trying to learn, I collect British mostly , but anything that catches my eye ,I will only post on the weekly swap ,And I am sorry if I offended you or any other member, just out of curiosity what was it like when you were a newbie on the board? Again I aplogize if I offended anyone ,And would alsoI would like to Thank everyone for all there help with all my questions
Hope this makes up for my mistakes,MoJoMan

nicholasz219 · February 9, 2006 3:50PM

All,

I find it really sad that people like MoJo feel the need to apologize for enjoying their hobby.

For the most part, I have made a lot of new friends in this forum bought some fantastic coins (Spinaker!!) and been learning even more about coins and enjoying every second of it.

I also resent certain posters who diminish what other people collect because they do not care for the subject matter. That is childish and frankly really dorky. For a bunch of fun loving coin collectors that we generally are to sustain this crabfest really turns us into a real bunch of dorks. Reading this thread, I wouldn't want to hang out with anyone if I didn't know how we normally are in this forum.

For Pete's sake just don't read what you don't want.

Preussen · February 10, 2006 12:40AM

<< I find it really sad that people like MoJo feel the need to apologize for enjoying their hobby. >>

I think this thread has been very destructive in nature. It is obvious that it has caused many (including myself) to question the importance, interest and relevance of our posts. I too support the idea of a darkside BST forum, but I think this thread has gone dangerously & harmfully beyond discussing SSPs.

From my point of view, the topic quickly switched from SSPs to how some here are destroying the very fabric of “darkside” collecting by mentioning grades or showing a slab/label in our pics. It has been implied in this thread that anyone who slabs a world coin is ruining the hobby, and that such a person is interested only in value & cannot possibly appreciate the beauty and history of a coin. This is absolute nonsense, and I find such an attitude ignorant and personally insulting.

I’ve enjoyed the variety of posts here, and I have been seriously impressed with the knowledge and experience that many members have displayed. Some (off the forum) have called this thread “old vs. new,” but people need to realize (hopefully most already do) that PCGS Forum longevity & a high number of posts do not automatically equate to knowledge, experience, “superiority of collecting philosophy” or “ownership” of the hobby. Some might find this unbelievable, but there IS world coin collecting activity beyond the PCGS forum…I did it for 30 years before joining here; having started collecting German coins long before the existence of PCGS and this forum.

If SSPs are contrary to the PCGS forum guidelines, I’ll stop posting them…no problem. But, let’s stop apologizing to a few self-appointed forum monitors who want to tell us the “right” way to enjoy our hobby. - Preussen

edited for spelling.

SYRACUSIAN · February 10, 2006 3:57AM

Steve, I already posted twice that I do not pretend to be a self appointed policeman or moderator, nor did I ask from the mods to remove or ban these SSPs. I just expressed my opinion, in a clumsy way, no doubt about this, but my personal opinion, that was all. I had no idea that this would have taken such an ugly turn, although I admit that I PMed a member, right after my first post and before anybody had the time to reply, to see if he found it too much and if he thought that I should edit the whole thing. In retrospect I think I should have, the fact alone that I asked him that question should have alarmed me about what was about to follow.

I was not judging the value of any member, even if I used a couple of examples to illustrate my point. I only talked about the abuse that IMO has been taking place for a very long time now, at the expense of other members, who take the time and effort to write very interesting posts, but get pushed in the second and third page before most of us even get the chance to see them. So where does this stop? How exactly is our system democratic when a member (any member) is trespassing another member's rights, simply because by ttting his own multiple SSPs he is pushing interesting but more esoteric topics at the second and third page? Sure, spinaker suggested to customize, but let's be frank here, how many of us have changed the default 25 threads per page? How many have the time and patience to go as far behind as possible in order to find an eventual interesting topic that might have escaped us?

That said, if I could push a button and make this thread disappear I would have already done it, have no doubt about this.And mojoman, you don't need to apologize to me, it's the other way round, I should apologize to you, and to smitty too, but I only used the first examples I found to illustrate my point, there was nothing personal in all that. As for your question, how was it when I was a newbie, it was hell,real hell.

MacCrimmon · February 10, 2006 4:01AM

<< As for your question, how was it when I was a newbie, it was hell,real hell. >>

Hell for you, as a newbie? I'm just glad you lost that snake-headed avatar......I was having nightmares.

coinkat · February 10, 2006 7:22AM

Okay... let this last neutral post be the last... let's move on to things that really matter...

ksteelheader · February 10, 2006 7:28AM

What in the world is a SSP????????????????????????????

wybrit · February 10, 2006 11:44AM

I find it really sad that people like MoJo feel the need to apologize for enjoying their hobby.

I too agree with this statement.

mojoman · February 10, 2006 4:18PM

.And mojoman, you don't need to apologize to me, it's the other way round, I should apologize to you, and to smitty too, but I only used the first examples I found to illustrate my point, there was nothing personal in all that. As for your question, how was it when I was a newbie, it was hell,real hell.

Thank you and I will only post on the weekend swap ,You are right about about interesting items getting pushed back ,I am always reading them there is always a lot of great articles and I enjoy MOST OF THEM LOL
LETS KILL THIS POST and go on ALL is forgiven

And Again Thanks to all who have answered my many questions

mOjOman

Smittys · February 10, 2006 10:19PM

These are like bumps in the road felt but easily forgotten.
I was guilty of to many SSP at one time with the TTT, and have learned.
No appologies are needed, and I'll try to be more active in the general post.
Long live the Darkside(greyside too) and even Us lightsiders

I'm fed up with all these SSPs !

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