Did Big Ben cross the Goal Line??
Coinhusker1
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I did not see cross it from any angle of the replays!! 
Holmgren is livid . . . he may have a right to be.
Holmgren is livid . . . he may have a right to be.
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<< <i>You don't have to cross the goal line. The ball just has to "touch" any of the white of the goal line. >>
Which it did not do.
<< <i>Which it did not do. >>
It did. Ever so barely.
<< <i>Someone will have to be like Greg Brady and take the picture before he got hit and keep blowing it up to see exactly where the ball was. >>
At first I mistaked his elbowpad for the ball and thought it did. Upon further review, it did not.
Sorry, but this was another in a line of piss-poor calls (and non-calls) that influenced the outcome.
The number of calls against Seattle in this game that were questionable...it's too bad, as this game could have been a much better matchup. But then, this entire postseason has been marred with piss poor officiating.
Where's Joey Porter now, running his mouth, saying that the refs wanted the steelers to win it all?
<< <i> Where's Joey Porter now, running his mouth, saying that the refs wanted the steelers to win it all? >>
Joey Porter can run his mouth all he wants now. And hopefully he will be running it at fruitcakes like yourself Ax who are delusional enough to think the refs beat the Seahawks.
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As for the Big Ben call, if you were the official watching the live action it would have been very tough to call. Now seeing he made the touchdown call, the replay didn't show enough evidence that it potentially didn't barely break the goal line.
As for the entire game, sure there were some bad calls. The refs are getting worse and worse every year. I understand refs can miss a call or two because they cannot see everything, but what pisses me off are the phantom calls. If you didn't actually see the friggin play/penalty, don't anticipate it and call it. I would rather see a ref miss 5 calls then call one that never happened. Pittsburgh won and that's the end of the story. Seattle didn't do enough to capitalize when they had the opportunities. I certainly do think that bad calls can change a game, especially when they are huge calls at key times but it happens in every game and we have to live with it.
Man, Roethlisberger sucks.
<< <i>No part of that ball touched any part of the goal line.
At first I mistaked his elbowpad for the ball and thought it did. Upon further review, it did not.
Sorry, but this was another in a line of piss-poor calls (and non-calls) that influenced the outcome. >>
Or, how about Stevens catching one of the three passes he dropped, or Jackson getting his feet inbounds, or Hasselbeck managing the clock a little better...
<< <i>The only thing that seemed odd about the call is that the ref was running along the goal line towards Roethlisberger after he was downed. He had one hand in the air, which generally signifies he is spotting the ball down there. As he got closer, he then stopped and raised his arms to signal it was a touchdown. When you see the replay, Ben (like all other players) moved the ball forward after he was downed and it was certainly across the line then. I'm not sure if seeing the ball in THAT position made the ref signal a touchdown or not, but it certainly seemed like it did when watching the replays.
As for the entire game, sure there were some bad calls. The refs are getting worse and worse every year. I understand refs can miss a call or two because they cannot see everything, but what pisses me off are the phantom calls. If you didn't actually see the friggin play/penalty, don't anticipate it and call it. I would rather see a ref miss 5 calls then call one that never happened. Pittsburgh won and that's the end of the story. Seattle didn't do enough to capitalize when they had the opportunities. I certainly do think that bad calls can change a game, especially when they are huge calls at key times but it happens in every game and we have to live with it.
Man, Roethlisberger sucks. >>
Yeah, the youngest QB ever to win a SB sucks...That's intelligent...
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<< <i> Where's Joey Porter now, running his mouth, saying that the refs wanted the steelers to win it all? >>
Joey Porter can run his mouth all he wants now. And hopefully he will be running it at fruitcakes like yourself Ax who are delusional enough to think the refs beat the Seahawks. >>
Good to see you didn't answer the question, as usually softy.
I didn't say the refs beat the hawks, now did I? I simply said there was a long line of bad calls...and porter (not me, you dope) was the one who commented on the poor officiating in the colts/steelers game, claiming bias. Now, where's his yap about bias?
And no, I am not a seahawks fan, I simply wanted Seattle to win more than Pitt, that's all.
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Yeah, the youngest QB ever to win a SB sucks...That's intelligent... >>
Oh yes, because HE won the game, right?
9/21 for 123 yards, 2 interceptions and no TDs...yep, you're right, it was ben's doing!
<< <i>The guy is freakin' like 26-4/27-4 in his career...Yeah, he sucks...About 95% of the teams in the NFL would want him to start for their team... >>
Kyle Orten was what, 8-1 this year lol.
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<< <i>The guy is freakin' like 26-4/27-4 in his career...Yeah, he sucks...About 95% of the teams in the NFL would want him to start for their team... >>
Kyle Orten was what, 8-1 this year lol. >>
Yeah, the Steelers beat Orton and Bears, too...
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<< <i>No part of that ball touched any part of the goal line.
At first I mistaked his elbowpad for the ball and thought it did. Upon further review, it did not.
Sorry, but this was another in a line of piss-poor calls (and non-calls) that influenced the outcome. >>
Or, how about Stevens catching one of the three passes he dropped, or Jackson getting his feet inbounds, or Hasselbeck managing the clock a little better... >>
Jackson getting called for PI was, by definition, correct. However, this hand/arm jockeying goes on all the time and is never called, much less on the biggest of stages. Also, the Pitt receivers were doing the same thing during the game with no call.
How about if Worthlessberger is not given the TD, and they either go for it and fail, or kick a FG?
How about Jeremy Stevens catching the ball inside the 5, putting Seattle in position for the go-ahead TD when the Pitt defense was reeling. That was called back on a phantom holding call. Then Hasselbeck was sacked on a helmet to helmet hit that wasn't called either.
Pitt intercepts H'beck in the 2nd half, and he's called for a cut-block during the tackle. Huh?
Peter Warrick's punt return negated by a phantom holding call.
Pittsburgh was called for 3 penalties, and two of them were false starts.
Pittsburgh came out flat, and Seattle came out and was moving the ball. It could have easily been 14-0 in the first quarter. And everybody knows the Pitt offense is not built for coming back.
Bottom line: The officials didn't influence the outcome, they decided it. Being a Stealer fan, I don't really expect you to acknowledge what the rest of the country is saying.
<< <i>The guy is freakin' like 26-4/27-4 in his career...Yeah, he sucks...About 95% of the teams in the NFL would want him to start for their team... >>
About 95% of the starting QB's in the league could likely compile better stats and wins with Pittsburgh than he does. Nobody goes into their games with Pittburgh worried about him. Their running game is what's its all about and it's been like that for a while. C'mon, his rating is where it's at because he only has to throw 15-20 times a game and they're generally dink and dunk passes. If he has to throw more, it's usually a bad thing. He had a mere 17 TD's to like 9 picks this year. Not the greatest of ratios. 95% of the league would want this guy as a starter? Nah.
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<< <i>The guy is freakin' like 26-4/27-4 in his career...Yeah, he sucks...About 95% of the teams in the NFL would want him to start for their team... >>
About 95% of the starting QB's in the league could likely compile better stats and wins with Pittsburgh than he does. Nobody goes into their games with Pittburgh worried about him. Their running game is what's its all about and it's been like that for a while. C'mon, his rating is where it's at because he only has to throw 15-20 times a game and they're generally dink and dunk passes. If he has to throw more, it's usually a bad thing. He had a mere 17 TD's to like 9 picks this year. Not the greatest of ratios. 95% of the league would want this guy as a starter? Nah. >>
You mean to tell me their running game beat the Bengals, Colts, and Broncos this year in the playoffs? Did you watch those games, or are you just assuming the running game must have done it?
<< <i>Can you explain why, when you were having some success running the ball with the NFL MVP, that you threw the ball 49 times? >>
I'm not a Seahawks for Stealers fan. I'm a football fan. Did you read my points above?
<< <i>I'm sorry the NFL let you down with a 'bad' game, a poorly officiated game...You should be expecting your apology letter from Tagliabue in the mail soon...Let me know when you get it... >>
Since you're obviously not going to address the bad calls I outlined above, I'm going to assume you agree with them. Got it.
Brady, Palmer, P. Manning (even though he chokes on the big stage) may be the only QB's in the NFL that 'stand out' over the rest...Agree?
Next level...Roethlisberger, Hasselback, Brees, McNabb...Agree? Did I miss anyone?
Brady and Roethlisberger are the only ones on this list that have SB titles
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<< <i>I'm sorry the NFL let you down with a 'bad' game, a poorly officiated game...You should be expecting your apology letter from Tagliabue in the mail soon...Let me know when you get it... >>
Since you're obviously not going to address the bad calls I outlined above, I'm going to assume you agree with them. Got it. >>
Bad calls are a part of every game. The Steelers won the Colts game in spite of some horrific calls, didn't they? They adjusted to the bad calls in that game, the Seahawks didn't in this one.
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<< <i>I'm sorry the NFL let you down with a 'bad' game, a poorly officiated game...You should be expecting your apology letter from Tagliabue in the mail soon...Let me know when you get it... >>
Since you're obviously not going to address the bad calls I outlined above, I'm going to assume you agree with them. Got it. >>
Bad calls are a part of every game. The Steelers won the Colts game in spite of some horrific calls, didn't they? They adjusted to the bad calls in that game, the Seahawks didn't in this one. >>
So how exactly do you adjust to a 21-point swing based on officiating? Darrell Jackson's two potential TD's, Jeremy Steven catch on the 1, and Worthlessberger's TD? The phantom holding calls, etc.
The officiating has been inconsistent throughout the playoffs, but if the officiating had been this bad when you played the Colts no way Pitt wins.
<< <i>One of Jackson's non-Td's had nothing to do with the refs. That is unless you thought he had both feet inbounds. >>
No, he kicked the pylon, which extends to infinity, a la Mike Vick earlier this year. It's just as debatable of a call as the Rothlisberger TD.
<< <i>To dirtmonkey:
Brady, Palmer, P. Manning (even though he chokes on the big stage) may be the only QB's in the NFL that 'stand out' over the rest...Agree?
Next level...Roethlisberger, Hasselback, Brees, McNabb...Agree? Did I miss anyone?
Brady and Roethlisberger are the only ones on this list that have SB titles >>
LOL, Roethlisberger is not a 2nd tier QB. Comparing him to any of these guys (with the possible exception of Brees who's really only played well for 2 of his 5 years) is a real stretch. SB titles doesn't mean you're a great QB. Dilfer played a similar role in his teams SB title like Ben did with his team. They ran on first, ran on second and then typically either ran on third or had him throwing a short pass to convert on third. I will agree that he had a very good game against Denver, but the other games Pittsburgh had still had a heavy rushing output. They rushed for over 100 yards in their games against Cincy and Indy. Ben threw for just over 200 in one game and just under 200 in the other. Nothing spectacular, nothing most other QB's couldn't do when their running game gives them 100 yards. As the stats generally show, the majority of teams win if they get over 100 yards rushing. The majority of teams don't win if their QB only throws for 200 yards. Pittsburgh wins because they run as well as any team. Ben is in there to not make mistakes, not to win games with his arm.
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<< <i>One of Jackson's non-Td's had nothing to do with the refs. That is unless you thought he had both feet inbounds. >>
No, he kicked the pylon, which extends to infinity, a la Mike Vick earlier this year. It's just as debatable of a call as the Rothlisberger TD. >>
If you remember correctly, his one foot already hit out of bounds before his other foot kicked the pylon.
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<< <i>One of Jackson's non-Td's had nothing to do with the refs. That is unless you thought he had both feet inbounds. >>
No, he kicked the pylon, which extends to infinity, a la Mike Vick earlier this year. It's just as debatable of a call as the Rothlisberger TD. >>
If you remember correctly, his one foot already hit out of bounds before his other foot kicked the pylon. >>
It was just as close as Big Ben's TD. Why would you focus on the most debatable of the calls? Is it because the other calls were so clear-cut?
When you look at the game as a whole, and the calls (or non-calls) in aggregate, Pittsburgh clearly received the benefit. That's the difference in the game.
If I were a Steeler's fan, it's not how I would want to win.
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<< <i>To dirtmonkey:
Brady, Palmer, P. Manning (even though he chokes on the big stage) may be the only QB's in the NFL that 'stand out' over the rest...Agree?
Next level...Roethlisberger, Hasselback, Brees, McNabb...Agree? Did I miss anyone?
Brady and Roethlisberger are the only ones on this list that have SB titles >>
LOL, Roethlisberger is not a 2nd tier QB. Comparing him to any of these guys (with the possible exception of Brees who's really only played well for 2 of his 5 years) is a real stretch. SB titles doesn't mean you're a great QB. Dilfer played a similar role in his teams SB title like Ben did with his team. They ran on first, ran on second and then typically either ran on third or had him throwing a short pass to convert on third. I will agree that he had a very good game against Denver, but the other games Pittsburgh had still had a heavy rushing output. They rushed for over 100 yards in their games against Cincy and Indy. Ben threw for just over 200 in one game and just under 200 in the other. Nothing spectacular, nothing most other QB's couldn't do when their running game gives them 100 yards. As the stats generally show, the majority of teams win if they get over 100 yards rushing. The majority of teams don't win if their QB only throws for 200 yards. Pittsburgh wins because they run as well as any team. Ben is in there to not make mistakes, not to win games with his arm. >>
How come none of the above teams besides the Pats and Steelers won the Super Bowl, then? The Eagles have been pretty loaded the last few years, how come McNabb hasn't won? You're silly if you don't think the Colts weren't loaded. How come choker Manning has never won? It all comes down to how you define a QB. For me, I'd rather have guys like Bradshaw, Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger over Marino, Manning, Vick any day.
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<< <i>One of Jackson's non-Td's had nothing to do with the refs. That is unless you thought he had both feet inbounds. >>
No, he kicked the pylon, which extends to infinity, a la Mike Vick earlier this year. It's just as debatable of a call as the Rothlisberger TD. >>
If you remember correctly, his one foot already hit out of bounds before his other foot kicked the pylon. >>
It was just as close as Big Ben's TD. Why would you focus on the most debatable of the calls? Is it because the other calls were so clear-cut?
When you look at the game as a whole, and the calls (or non-calls) in aggregate, Pittsburgh clearly received the benefit. That's the difference in the game.
If I were a Steeler's fan, it's not how I would want to win. >>
It doesn't really matter how they won, they won. There are no style points involved.
haha that's the best one I've heard all game. But Ben in an untenable situation like in Houston and see what his record is like. He wins because he has a great running game and a dominant defense.
You're beyond a fanboi if you really believe that. He's on par with Culpepper and McNabb? Huh? Good lord get out of the Ben-light! You're going blind.
<< <i>t doesn't really matter how they won, they won. There are no style points involved. >>
So basically 'yeah the refs gave it to us...I don't care!'