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Grade this Seated Liberty Dime and/or guess the grade

I think this is the first one of these I've ever done, but I thought we'd have fun with this one. Coin is in a PCGS holder:


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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    63
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    64
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    65
  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plusses: Strike and luster.
    Minus: Chatter in the fields.
    Neutral: Color (nice on rim, discoloration of head)

    I'd give it a 64.
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • Edit: Thanks for clearing that up for me Mark. My new guess would be MS-64.image
  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64image
    Larry

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Greg, that is almost certainly (lack of) strike and not wear, you are seeing on Liberty's head. Look at other high points (such as her thigh and breast areas) to see if there is wear - I don't think you will find any.

    It's ok to guess higher now, but don't copy Goose3 and guess higher than the previous two respondents had.image
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63. Luster is somewhat lacking in the fields imo. That's what makes a 64 or 65 coin.

    roadrunner
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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is this from that hoard of 1887 uncs that came out not too long ago?
  • Nice picture. Wish I had the skill to take photos like that.
    Oh, nice coin too.

    Ray
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would call this one a 64. It bet it may be from that hoard as I have one coming up on e-bay in a few days, same date and same toning color, although mine would only grade Ms-62 IMO.

    Intresting!!

    jim
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I'll go 65.
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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my "hoard" 1887. Picked it up on Heritage when they had over a dozen of them listed....mostly 64 and 65.

    This is a 64, without the photography abilities displayed by the OP. image

    imageimage
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS-64. There are a fair number of small marks in the fields.

    Unfortunately most MS-64 graded Legend Obverse dimes are not this nice. image
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good luster, no heavy marks, but a lot of light ones in the field. Average strike with slight weakness in the head. 63.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Slight weakness in the head? >>



    I don't think that you have seen that many Legend Obverse dimes. Many of them are as bad as Standing Liberty quarters when it comes to the head area.

    As for the overall quality of this coin, I had to look long and hard to find an MS-64 graded pieces that was better than this. When I found it, I paid $100 over bid. Since it was for my collection and not the business, that was OK.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think that you have seen that many Legend Obverse dimes. >>


    That is correct, although the one posted by TommyType looks stronger (perhaps due to the coloration) and doesn't have all the chatter in the obverse field on the right that the subject coin does.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that Tommy's coin lost a point for dullness if the scan is providing accuate view of it.

    Dullness can come from worn dies or being dipped for too long or too many times.
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd say PCGS MS 65.

    Nice coin. Is that a clash mark or a die crack in "NITED STA"?

    Thanks for sharing!...Mike

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I don't think that you have seen that many Legend Obverse dimes. >>


    That is correct, although the one posted by TommyType looks stronger (perhaps due to the coloration) and doesn't have all the chatter in the obverse field on the right that the subject coin does. >>



    I can take the picture at such an angle that you won't see any chatter in the fields image

    Instead, with this coin and the "honesty" of the picture, what you see is what you get. In hand the coin is just a "little" better because the holder has some usual abrasions on it.

    Yes, Mike, there are some neat die cracks on the coin which aren't really that uncommon.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's probably a 64, but for some reason I want to say 63.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This actually has a well struck head.

    roadrunner
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    The head is well struck, but the reverse isn't. Compare the veins in the leaf under the E in DIME to TommyType's coin.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Call it any grade you want. I would buy it for the nice die crack....image

    Looks 63 to me.

    Ken
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63
  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I grade it UNC or BU, because I have no knowledge on grading this series. image

    Beautiful coin though. Looks to have some light lavendar toning to it.
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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  • DismeguyDismeguy Posts: 496 ✭✭✭
    64
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Roadrunner is correct. This is the most head detail I've seen on an 1887 P (missed the recent Heritage hoard which was sold). I've seen a number of them in 5 & 6 holders and they usually have a flat / dished head, much like the 24 D SLQ.

    As Bill Jones said, the head is softly struck on many Seated Dimes (I have a toned 1886 P in a PC 6 holder and the head is not quite fully struck). But of the late dated Seated Dimes, the 87 P has the worst strike on the head I've seen. Perhaps this coin is from an early die state.

    PS: Like the die crack; don't see many of them on late date Seated material.
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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow, this has been great. Thanks for all your comments!

    This tale ends with the story of buy the coin and not the holder. I would have had no problem buying this coin (raw) at either a premium 63 price or discount 64 price. On any given day it could grade either a 63 or a 64 at PCGS (probably a 64...it has a good deal of eye appeal that might/might not come through in a photograph...and PCGS is kind to coins with nice eye appeal).

    The plastic grade is PCGS MS62 and thus when the dealer asked $145 for this coin, and I've been looking for a nice example for my Type Set, it took me all of about 0.5 seconds to make a decision to buy it image

    I feel bad for the original submitter of this coin. though, because PCGS was a bit harsh with the MS62 assigned grade.

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