Yep, found in parking meter change from a bank bag about 40 years ago.
Probably would grade fine, maybe a bit better. It's still as raw as the day my father found it. I traded him a pair of 14-D Lincolns I had found going through the same type of bags. I found 4 14-Ds, never could find an 09 SVDB while he found 3 of the 09 SVDBs and could never find a 14-D.
Those were the days. Indian head cents were still being used on occasion. Found hundreds of them over a few years back then. We were able to complete several of the old Whitman Blue Books. Except for the 22 no D. That hole should never have been put into those albums.
Edited to make that 45 years ago. They say the memory goes second, I can't recall what it is that goes first though.
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No and I've never had the desire to do so. Relatively common. Over priced and over rated.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I believe they're overpriced.............and I believe they're always around for a price.................
But........hey........when I was 14 and started collecting, the 09-SVDB and the 14-D were untouchable and unattainable.
It was 1967 when I got the collecting bug........they were all gone by then. Oh yeah, I tried to find them. I looked thru cans of old coins, rolls from the bank, "Penny jars" at relatives houses. Never got lucky. So, being a kid, mostly I dreamed and stared at them in the magazines.
So I grew up and HAD to buy them!
I have 2 SVDB's.........one is a VF-35 die 2, the other is a nice F-12 die 4.
My 4 14-D's are VF-20, VG-6, and 2 G-4's.
All are raw..........but I know what they are, and what makes them genuine.
Guess I'll always be that 14 year old kid...........
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
I have a couple circulated Lincoln sets in the safe deposit box waiting for my daughter to pick up the hobby or need money for college. She's only one, so we have time. One set is XF and better, the other is Good-VF. One 1909-S VDB is PCGS XF-40 and the other is in an ANACS holder, if I recall it grades VG-8 or F-12. Damn safety deposit boxes!
Yep, I have them. I brought them to the coin club last time for a counterfeit detection program.
Does it seem the grading companies are more lenient when it comes to grading the color for the 1909-S VDB ? I have seen several in Red holders that are 80% red and have some brown. Coins in RB holders can often be mostly brown.
<< <i>Yep, I have them. I brought them to the coin club last time for a counterfeit detection program.
Does it seem the grading companies are more lenient when it comes to grading the color for the 1909-S VDB ? I have seen several in Red holders that are 80% red and have some brown. Coins in RB holders can often be mostly brown. >>
These coins may have changed in the holder.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Although certainly a classic.... it's just too overpriced for me to be interested, given it's relative rarity. Other items that I would much prefer to own at those prices.
I bought one back in the early 1980s. It was the last coin I needed to complete a Lincoln set that I started as a boy. That set contains the first coins I ever collected. I pulled nearly all of them from circulation and got a few others by trading with classmates. I never did find an S-VDB in circulation, however.
Here's an "adventure in grading." When I bought this 1909-S-VDB it came with ANACS VF-20/20 papers, which as a serious undergrade IMO. It now resides in an NGC EF-45 holder. Actually the NGC grade is much closer to the true grade.
For those who have never seen them, here is what some fairly early ANA certification papers looked like.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Regardless of how common they may or may not be, I owned one and sold it in 1992 with the thought I would soon replace it but over the years the price kept rising and now what I've paid $300 for requires well over $1000. I finally got another last summer but it was no where near the price of 13 years ago. And even since I've bought mine last summer, the price continues to go up. It may be over rated but there is obviously strong demand for it.
I get a real kick out of these kill-joy collectors who bash coins like the 1909-S VDB because of its so-called availability. I, myself should have bought one years ago when the price was low. Yes, it's more available than other coins, but the popularity of the series insures its status as a major key date well into the future. As for you collectors out there who keep barking phrases like "always available" and "way overpriced", your "rare" Bust half or "25 known" Seated quarter sounds lovely, but for many of us, not all that interesting. There's a real snobbery within the collecting community. These self-proclaimed experts pretend that they are in this rarified world that only the very few can appreciate. It's a world of 19th century coins and pre-steem press afficionados. They might say to themselves, "these are the real treasures. Too bad the masses with their overrated 1909-s VDBs cannot appreciated true rarity. But, WE know better." There's a lot of this going around. Now be prepared for the numbers nerds to start quoting population reports and touting the ubiquitous "sleepers." When they do this, they are completely missing the point. We collectors who happen to love dates like the 1909-s VDB Lincoln are not the least bit affected by these condescending remarks. Keep in mind, we can swiftly and justifiably dismiss whatever you collect as well.
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<< <i>Rodeo....Judy Collins. >>
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS.
Chris
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
as far as your initial question, I don't know about that.
roadrunner
Up until a few months ago I had a PCGS MS65RB, but I traded it with some other coins for something else.
A better question might be who doesn't--they actually are quite common.
I'm keepin' both of them! I think the coin has a solid place in numismatics and amongst collectors.
I use to!
Probably would grade fine, maybe a bit better. It's still as raw as the day my father found it. I traded him a pair of 14-D Lincolns I had found going through the same type of bags. I found 4 14-Ds, never could find an 09 SVDB while he found 3 of the 09 SVDBs and could never find a 14-D.
Those were the days. Indian head cents were still being used on occasion. Found hundreds of them over a few years back then. We were able to complete several of the old Whitman Blue Books. Except for the 22 no D. That hole should never have been put into those albums.
Edited to make that 45 years ago. They say the memory goes second, I can't recall what it is that goes first though.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Chris
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Tom
But........hey........when I was 14 and started collecting, the 09-SVDB and the 14-D were untouchable and unattainable.
It was 1967 when I got the collecting bug........they were all gone by then. Oh yeah, I tried to find them. I looked thru cans of old coins, rolls from the bank, "Penny jars" at relatives houses. Never got lucky. So, being a kid, mostly I dreamed and stared at them in the magazines.
So I grew up and HAD to buy them!
I have 2 SVDB's.........one is a VF-35 die 2, the other is a nice F-12 die 4.
My 4 14-D's are VF-20, VG-6, and 2 G-4's.
All are raw..........but I know what they are, and what makes them genuine.
Guess I'll always be that 14 year old kid...........
Pete
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
Does it seem the grading companies are more lenient when it comes to grading the color for the 1909-S VDB ? I have seen several in Red holders that are 80% red and have some brown. Coins in RB holders can often be mostly brown.
FrederickCoinClub
<< <i>Yep, I have them. I brought them to the coin club last time for a counterfeit detection program.
Does it seem the grading companies are more lenient when it comes to grading the color for the 1909-S VDB ? I have seen several in Red holders that are 80% red and have some brown. Coins in RB holders can often be mostly brown. >>
These coins may have changed in the holder.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
Connor Numismatics Website
Although certainly a classic.... it's just too overpriced for me to be interested, given it's relative rarity. Other items that I would much prefer to own at those prices.
I'm with Tincup.
Jack
<< <i>Anyone. >>
More like everyone
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Here's an "adventure in grading." When I bought this 1909-S-VDB it came with ANACS VF-20/20 papers, which as a serious undergrade IMO. It now resides in an NGC EF-45 holder. Actually the NGC grade is much closer to the true grade.
For those who have never seen them, here is what some fairly early ANA certification papers looked like.
I own 3 currently.
Jack >>
Yea right Jack
Chris
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Semper ubi sub ubi
I, myself should have bought one years ago when the price was low. Yes, it's more available than other coins, but the popularity of the series insures its status as a major key date well into the future.
As for you collectors out there who keep barking phrases like "always available" and "way overpriced", your "rare" Bust half or "25 known" Seated quarter sounds lovely, but for many of us, not all that interesting. There's a real snobbery within the collecting community. These self-proclaimed experts pretend that they are in this rarified world that only the very few can appreciate. It's a world of 19th century coins and pre-steem press afficionados. They might say to themselves, "these are the real treasures. Too bad the masses with their overrated 1909-s VDBs cannot appreciated true rarity. But, WE know better."
There's a lot of this going around.
Now be prepared for the numbers nerds to start quoting population reports and touting the ubiquitous "sleepers." When they do this, they are completely missing the point.
We collectors who happen to love dates like the 1909-s VDB Lincoln are not the least bit affected by these condescending remarks. Keep in mind, we can swiftly and justifiably dismiss whatever you collect as well.