ALERT - Bad 1808 Bust Half on eBay - Seller response in thread

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 5:44AM

As some of you already know I purchased an 1808 Bust Half not long ago on eBay and it turned out to be HORRIFIC. The coin was cleaned, polished and toned with the bright blue gasolineish look. The auction did not show these problems in the pictures supplied. Well, I returned the coin and got a full refund.

The seller is now auctioning off the identical coin again. This time with new pics that still hide the problems the coin has. Just want you all to be aware that this monstrosity of a coin is out there and to know the unscrupulousness of this dealer. The eBay seller name is "pmbcoinandmetals".

THIS IS THE LINK TO THE AUCTION

THIS IS A PIC I TOOK WHEN I HAD THE COIN IN HAND...100% ACURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE COIN AND THE COLOR:

edited to change the title to be more specific so the seller can find this thread if he comes to the forums.

1jester · September 30, 2005 5:53AM

Wow, what a difference a photo can make.

Longacre · September 30, 2005 5:56AM

He's a powerseller. How can it not be legit?

LeeG · September 30, 2005 6:44AM

Thanks for the "Heads Up"!

doughmaking · September 30, 2005 6:45AM

WOW it looks like he took a wire wheel and cleaned it and it heated up and turned blue..nasty

ILikeDimes · September 30, 2005 7:19AM

If you didn't say so, I'd think those were 2 different coins.

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 7:21AM

I know it's crazy....but they are 1 in the same.

Orb · September 30, 2005 7:32AM

<<

If you didn't say so, I'd think those were 2 different coins. >>

I agree.

Thanks for the heads up!

kryptonitecomics · September 30, 2005 7:36AM

That poor coin

grip · September 30, 2005 7:46AM

If you /we report him,nothing will happen.Due to his "status", And that's a shame.
Al

GullibleNewb · September 30, 2005 8:50AM

Funny you should mention the seller, I was thinking about asking about them. They have some seated and Barber dimes in NGC slabs that look interesting, but the pics are utter crap.

Guess I'll forget about them.

RYK · September 30, 2005 8:52AM

The utter bogosity!

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 9:41AM

Some one from this forum say this thread and emailed the seller to tell him about it. I just received an email from him asking about this and I told him quite honestly what I had done and where he could go to see/read the thread about his coin. I encouraged him to join the forums and post about this coin and the issues that have been brought up. I really do hope he does, who knows...could be a good guy...I'd love to give the opportunity to let him give his side of the story publicly.

I will say one good thing about the seller...He did promptly refund my 100% of my money.

stman · September 30, 2005 10:08AM

<< The seller is now auctioning off the identical coin again. This time with new pics that still hide the problems the coin has. >>

Not so fast there guy

Even though the auction image before and now, doesn't show the coin
up close and that funky blue color... The image still shows IMO it is a problem coin. For the wear it has
there is a glossy look to it. It doesn't even look remotely close to an original look.
And lastly..... It looks like a POS you should have never went after in the first place.

OK, enough of the "Happy Talk" lemme know if you want to hear how I really feel about the situation. Hahaha

And one more thing.... be very careful what you say. Sellers only want to hear the good, and will threaten litigation
sometimes when the bad is brought up.

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 10:16AM

ST, yeah I know you can see the problems with the existing pics lol. They were very difficult for me to pick out at first and although I'm by no means even close to being expert in this field I'm not by any account new either. That being said I can see how alot of people that are new to busties could easily make the mistake of pulling the trigger on this coin and that is why I'm posting about it.

As far as being careful about what I say I have a policy. I only say the truth, it will set you free.

stman · September 30, 2005 10:20AM

I understand. And BTW, I use to have a similar saying, and it went something like this
that you've probably heard before.

<< You can't squeeze blood out of a rock... but you can certainly put that rock in JAIL. >>

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 10:21AM

UPDATE - I have been emailing back and forth with the seller and he has pulled the auction and has signed up with the forums to come talk to us all about this. The guy seems to be a pretty stand up kinda dude so far. I have high hopes this will have a happy ending. I guess you have to wait for a while before PCGS sends you your password for the forums but when he gets his we should see a reply from him.

Cladiator · September 30, 2005 10:51AM

UPDATE

The seller has emailed me his response to this thread. I want the seller to know that I'm not trying to make him out to be a criminal but I will call out a missrepresented coin when I see one...that is all. Like I said, the guys seems like an OK guy...I think this will all work out for the better. I'm going to post his response here for him so he doesn't have to wait for his password to arrive. Everything below this line is from the seller.

"I am waiting for my e-mail to join this forum.. This is PMBCoinandMetals.. I am not the bad person you are all making me out to be!!!!!

I have ended the auction becasue of the improper pictures... I gave the first guy the refund.... Please stop making me look like a criminal..

I have good feedback because I am a understanding person.... Not because I rip people off or sell garbage..

Some of my pictures are not the greatest.. I am sorry for that but you have to understand that I have taken 75,000 + pictures in the last 6 months and sometimes they just do not come out right.. I tried taking better pictures ogf this coin with better lighting and they do look better..

I am going to take better pictures of this coin before I relist as an auction.... Please do not black label me because of this.. I am a good person and a good seller....

As for those NGC Barbers pictures... They are also terrible pictures and I will be clicking those again too... The coins are actually really good coins though.. I mean they are certified by NGC

Sorry for any troubles

Nick"

segoja · September 30, 2005 11:51AM

Seems like the seller did everythig OK. Poor picture yes, but offered the refund as promised.

We all get crap in, if you buy coin from the public. You try to sell them for what oyu can.

As someone pointed out, this coin didn't look good in the pics (it did look better than your pic) but still rough.

Raw coins are tough on e-aby as we have all learned.

Hopefully the seller can join the boards and share his side.

stman · September 30, 2005 1:15PM

I do commend you for trying to help out fellow collectors. I was merely pointing out that while you admit you're
not new to these.... you could/should take some responsibility for going after the POS in the first place.

It's all good Dude!

stman · September 30, 2005 1:25PM

And to the seller, here is what I got to say about this little jewel...

<< These shipping prices are firm and they include both the actual shipping charges and also the supplies such as the foam, bubble wrap, bubble envelopes, and also our time to package all of them.. Not to mention the time spent driving to the post office, waiting in line and all the other great things that come with shipping hundreds of items a week.. >>

Myqqy · September 30, 2005 2:31PM

That's one seriously lame bust half... and I'm still having trouble understanding why it was relisted without a mention of the problems....
And Stman is right of course- people should be able to tell that coin was an ugly problem coin even with the bad pictures.....

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 5:22AM

Hello everyone I have just finally been accepted into the forum!!!

I am very sorry about the crappy pictures.. I am going to a photo shop to buy a light box to ensure all of my future sales have perfect pictures for my customers.. If you look at my feedback you will notice I have only 2 negative and over 2000 positive... I am also on Yahoo getting started there... Once again I deeply apologise for this and I am working on it right now to aviod this problem again...

stman · October 3, 2005 5:44AM

PMBCoinandMetals says..

<< I am very sorry about the crappy pictures >>

The heck with the pictures, what about the "Coin"?
I'm kinda bashful, but will ask this anyways.... Is this the kinda merchandise you deal in?
Did you do anything to this coin?

TwoSides2aCoin · October 3, 2005 5:59AM

I used to have a g/f similar to that coin .... it is amazing what lighting, make-up and few beers can do...... Now lets say the coin sells for 2 bucks....it ain't such a bad deal, is it ?

I hope humor is welcome

Russ · October 3, 2005 6:09AM

<< and I'm still having trouble understanding why it was relisted without a mention of the problems.... >>

That's the crux of the issue as far as I'm concerned. Being bad with a camera is no excuse for that.

Russ, NCNE

TwoSides2aCoin · October 3, 2005 8:04AM

on the serious side, Russ.....I concur.... It's a sad day when one does not disclose a problem and passes it off using a picture that hides the shortcomings or deficiencies. It shouldn't matter if it is a wheat penny or a St. Gaudens.
And for a PowerSeller..... well it goes to show you, the feedback rating or number of transactions is not a determining factor in what makes a good business man or woman. In defense of this ebayer.... a refund was given.........now make full disclosure and win back that reputation for being honest

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:23AM

You guys are just being unreasonable and I will never get any happy results from this.... I was just selling one of the thousands of coins I have available... From what I hear about this forum it is nothing but a bunch of winers and nitwits... And I am starting to believe these people who tell me this... It was a coin with bad pictures... It is not a fake coin... it is not fake toning... It is just a coin you people do not like...... What else can I say

500Bay · October 3, 2005 9:25AM

I am following this thread mostly because it seems the seller is one of the few E-Bay sellers who has some certified ancients - an area I would like to branch out into. Has anyone here had good experiences from this seller?

DNADave · October 3, 2005 9:25AM

<< From what I hear about this forum it is nothing but a bunch of winers and nitwits... >>

No, thats the open forum.

RYK · October 3, 2005 9:28AM

From what I hear about this forum it is nothing but a bunch of winers and nitwits...

Dude,

Congratulations! Not only have you proven yourself to be a scumbag seller, you have also insulted the largest, most active, and most informed online coin community. This should help your ebay tremendously. Good show!

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:30AM

Well I can tell you I sold a bust half dollar that people just hated.... and because I did not want to listen to the opinion of one person who bought it and re listed it.. People thin I am a scammer... I can tell you right now I have 2 negative feedbacks and over 2000 positive.. I sell good coins... Sometimes there are some that people do not like... I cannot help that...

stman · October 3, 2005 9:30AM

<< It was a coin with bad pictures... It is not a fake coin... it is not fake toning... >>

OK, please describe this gem for us.

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:31AM

You are trying to kill my name because of one single coin.. And I do not think this forum will do anything about my sales.....

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:32AM

I never said anything about it being a gem... I simply said the auction was for a 1808 Bust Half Dollar.. Simple as that

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:34AM

I am sorry for this one auction... But if you look at my feedbacks I am not a bad seller... This was a dud coin and I did not go by the opinion of one person on a coin... I just took pictures in brighter light and listed it again... That is all I did

DNADave · October 3, 2005 9:35AM

p8nt · October 3, 2005 9:36AM

<< And I do not think this forum will do anything about my sales. >>

Wrong. You just lost me. For the last week I have been perusing your gold bullion coins. I was going to buy some from you because you seemed reputable. Not anymore though.

There is 1 in a matter of minutes.

Wanna take another guess as to if this will effect your sales?

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:38AM

I do not unerstand why you would not buy just because of one persons opinions... Have you read this entire thing? The guy who bought it even said I am a good guy.. You are being very unreasonable here

TUMUSS · October 3, 2005 9:40AM

Russ · October 3, 2005 9:41AM

<< You guys are just being unreasonable and I will never get any happy results from this.... I was just selling one of the thousands of coins I have available... From what I hear about this forum it is nothing but a bunch of winers and nitwits... And I am starting to believe these people who tell me this... It was a coin with bad pictures... It is not a fake coin... it is not fake toning... It is just a coin you people do not like...... What else can I say >>

The issue is that you relisted a returned coin after the problems were pointed out, and yet made no mention of such in the relisting. If we are whiners and nitwits for calling sellers out on this type of thing, then we wear the label proudly.

Russ, NCNE

zkcoins · October 3, 2005 9:42AM

p8nt · October 3, 2005 9:42AM

You may be a good guy, but the practice of selling a problem coin without noting it or having a descriptive picture is deceitful. Whether you lie outright or by omission, it is still a lie.

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:43AM

Why do people keep putting the picture of the guy eating popcorn on here?? I am just trying to apologize for one coin people did not like and I feel as though nobody here even wants to hear what I say about it..

p8nt · October 3, 2005 9:44AM

They use that icon because they are enjoying the fireworks. We all want to hear it though

goose3 · October 3, 2005 9:44AM

I must say that Nick at least has the balls to show up on here and post.

Bear · October 3, 2005 9:46AM

I prefer to consider myself a weiner and not a whiner.

The purpose of this Forum is to review situations, offer both

sides a chance to make presentations and the render an opinion.

zkcoins · October 3, 2005 9:46AM

<< I must say that Nick at least has the balls to show up on here and post. >>

Russ · October 3, 2005 9:46AM

<< I am just trying to apologize >>

Yes, and we whiners and nitwits appreciate it.

Russ, NCNE

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:47AM

I an not going anywhere.. I am going to stand my by name strong and apologize for my mistake.. I should have noted that it was sold once and the customer did not like it. I did not think it was really that important... I will make it a point to do so when I have another person who does not like a coin.. How do I put a link to my auctions in my posts?

PMBCoinandMetals · October 3, 2005 9:48AM

Ok Russ I did not say that.. I just got a few e-mails from random people saying that to me. You can stop with 3rd party quote

ALERT - Bad 1808 Bust Half on eBay - Seller response in thread

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