<<That series would've been the last games for Brosius and O'neill and would've made it four straight titles. Ask Yankee fans and I think they'll tell you 2001 was the most painful, especially in the context of what happened September 11th>>
No doubt about it, it's the most painful thing for my wife and me also. We often discussed which was worse 2001 or 2004 and for reasons you mention this is it. I might add Rivera who had blown the save did so not because he was hit hard, i.e. Gonzo's bloop series winning hit, but because he made a rare error. Mo is one of the best fielding pitchers of all time.
<<Really???? Hm, I don't recall that. You know, especially since at the time he was 0-0 with 11 innings pitched in the WS. Strange pick for MVP. So either you're a liar or a moron. Either way, shut up and let the grown-ups talk>>
So it was Bruce Hurst. My bad, but an MVP had definitely been named and the TV network was rolling closing credits. The biggest choke ever. You can not get closer than 1 strike away. And why do Yankee haters and Red Sox fans constantly resort to name calling?
And as far as the 2001 Seattle Mariners, I remember when the 1998 Yankees had won 114 games in the regular season, an AL record at the time, I couldn't help thinking what a choke job that would have been if they lost to the Cleveland Indians who were up 2-1 at one point in the ALCS. To me that would have been the Yankees biggest choke ever if it happpened, but luckily the Yankees went on to win a major league record breaking 125 games. Imagine that....125-50 for a .714 winning percentage. Babe Ruth would have liked that number very much.
Dirty Harry, much like a ARod slap, I find your comments to be pathetic and sad. Please keep your comments and whatever mindless drivel comes to your giambi sized gonad brain to yourself. Thank you.
To sum up the poll in the sports forum, the OVERWHELMING majority of posters (nearly 78%), along with every knowledgeable sports enthusiast in the world has the 2004 yankees collapse to the boston red sox as the biggest choke in the history of sports.
To say 'one strike away' is lunacy. The yankees needed just one game, had 4 chances to do it, and lost each and every one.
Let's not forget a couple things about this series: game 3, the yankees dismantled the red sox 19-8 for a commanding 3-0 lead. No MLB team had ever come back from down 0-3. Not even that, no team had ever forced a game 7 when being down 0-3. And it's not like either of games 4, 5, or 6 were blowouts. They were easily within reach of the yankees. They just choked it away.
"The Yankees fell on the wrong side of the record books on Wednesday night, becoming the first team in baseball history to lose a seven-game series after taking a 3-0 lead. The Red Sox took it to them and from them, winning four straight games in four straight nights."
To all your yankees lovers: get over it. With all your storied purchases, err, I mean wins, this will go down in sports history as the biggest collapse, meltdown, CHOKE in all of sports history. There is no way it can be topped. A collapse of this magnitude has ever been seen in baseball (no team every forcing a game 7 after being down 0-3), and no team has come from 0-3 to win a series in either baseball or basketball, and only a couple times in hockey. It's never happened on a bigger stage, and to a rival such as Boston to kick the Yankees in the teeth and take 4 games in a row will ALWAYS be remembered as the biggest choke EVER.
Thanks jad/jerk22 - go back to the forum you came from. You have nothing to add here--just incestual comments - your specialty no doubt. Be looking you up soon to see who you really were/are. Regards.
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When your franchise had gone forever without winning a World Series and you are up by 2 runs with no one on base and the other team is down to their last strike on more than one occassion, to me that is the biggest choke ever.
To me it's much easier getting one more strike than it is to win a clinching game
In 86 they even posted Boston RedSox World Series Champs on the Shea scoreboard, thats how close that game was to being over
<<Thanks jad/jerk22 - go back to the forum you came from. You have nothing to add here--just incestual comments - your specialty no doubt. Be looking you up soon to see who you really were/are. Regards.>>
Hi DirtyHarry, how the hell are you? to the post above yours.
Some people wear blinders in that they won't accept 'their' team will go down in the history of sports as the biggest chokers ever.
Try to spin as you want, the 86 red sox aren't the biggest chokes.
Why do yanks fans think their team can do no wrong? Why do they feel that while everyone else in the country (correctly) believes the 2004 yanks are the biggest chokers in sports history, they aren't?
What's it like to live in such a detatched and deluded world?
The Yankees blew a three game lead. That was the biggest choke in baseball history. There is no questioning this. All the world series in the world won't make anyone forget. Humiliated in the house that Ruth built.
Its funny...some Yankee fans such as myself just don't agree with 2004 playoff being the biggest choke EVER. Yet, non-yankee fans continue to tell us what we think. It's not a FACT, its all opinion. The way I felt in 2004 was never NEARLY as painful as what happened in the 2001 World Series. Not even close...so keep dreaming Yankee haters. Your arguement is well taken but not yet convincing. -- NOT THE END OF THREAD -- (you can be assured LOL)
<< <i>Its funny...some Yankee fans such as myself just don't agree with 2004 playoff being the biggest choke EVER. Yet, non-yankee fans continue to tell us what we think. It's not a FACT, its all opinion. The way I felt in 2004 was never NEARLY as painful as what happened in the 2001 World Series. Not even close...so keep dreaming Yankee haters. Your arguement is well taken but not yet convincing. -- NOT THE END OF THREAD -- (you can be assured LOL) >>
So tell me something.
No other baseball team in the history of the game had ever come back from an 0-3 series to even force a game 7. Not only did the BoSox force game 7, they won it.
If that's not the very definition of choking, then nothing is.
There's no denying losing a world series is more painful (in relating to your point in 2001), but it wasn't anywhere near the level of choking that the yankees displayed last year.
Plain and simple. There is no denying (unless you live in yankee-dreamland where nothing bad can possibly happen to the yankees!)
yankeeno7, if 2004 was the most painful loss to me I would be honest and say so but it isn't. Just like you 2001 is. It was like our hearts were ripped out with 2 outs to go to winning their 4th consecutive WS. It is amazing how some Yankee haters and Red Sox fans try to impose THEIR opinions on us. Do I try to tell the Red Sox fans whether 1978, the year of the Bucky, or 1986 their 1 strike away choke to the Mets, was the most painful to them? NOT. I offer my opinion and repsect what they think was the most painful to them.
Whole thing is that it will never be resolved...it can go round and round because non Yankee fans cant possibly understand what its like being a Yankee fan...a true Yankee fan. So, I will forgive them for their faults. See, both 2001 AND 2004 were Yankee Chokes...I just think 2001 was bigger...but thats my opinion. I never said you had to agree with me...but you cant possibly tell me I am wrong. Accept that I have an opinion and throw yourselves on the floor kicking and screaming cuz your demands will do no good here.
I wonder how Red Sox fans feel about the fact that they needed a team to "choke" in order for them to advance and finally, after a million years, win the World Series. Wouldn't it have been more satisfying to a Red Sox fan if the team actually dominated thier way to a title ? I guess after such a drought, you take what you can get. Face the facts, the Yankees choked and allowed the Red Sox to advance. The Red Sox didn't beat the Yankees, the Yankees beat themselves. Yes, they choked. You never hear "Hey the Red Sox kicked thier butts ". You hear " the Yankees choked"
Yes, 2001 was a killer for me, but the 2004 Yankee collapse is the most painful thing I have had to deal with as far as my favorite teams are concerned. Everytime I think about, it just kills me. It will never go away and can never be surpassed. Its there and will always be there. Now I know how the Red Sox fans felt be fore they finally won. Why couldn't some other team let the red Sox win ?? Why did it have to be my Yanks !! AHHHHH !!! I need to stop thinking about it, I am getting sick.
Yankee fans are trying to spin this away from 'biggest choke' to 'biggest disappointment'. No one is disputing that the Yankees giving up the 2001 world series must have been painful.
What you fail to acknowledge is the yankees collapsing and the red sox kicking their collective butts (in NY, no less) 4 straight games after being down 3 games (an unheard of feat in baseball) is easily and widely known as the biggest choke ever.
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<<That series would've been the last games for Brosius and O'neill and would've made it four straight titles. Ask Yankee fans and I think they'll tell you 2001 was the most painful, especially in the context of what happened September 11th>>
No doubt about it, it's the most painful thing for my wife and me also. We often discussed which was worse 2001 or 2004 and for reasons you mention this is it. I might add Rivera who had blown the save did so not because he was hit hard, i.e. Gonzo's bloop series winning hit, but because he made a rare error. Mo is one of the best fielding pitchers of all time.
So it was Bruce Hurst. My bad, but an MVP had definitely been named and the TV network was rolling closing credits. The biggest choke ever. You can not get closer than 1 strike away. And why do Yankee haters and Red Sox fans constantly resort to name calling?
And as far as the 2001 Seattle Mariners, I remember when the 1998 Yankees had won 114 games in the regular season, an AL record at the time, I couldn't help thinking what a choke job that would have been if they lost to the Cleveland Indians who were up 2-1 at one point in the ALCS. To me that would have been the Yankees biggest choke ever if it happpened, but luckily the Yankees went on to win a major league record breaking 125 games. Imagine that....125-50 for a .714 winning percentage. Babe Ruth would have liked that number very much.
To say 'one strike away' is lunacy. The yankees needed just one game, had 4 chances to do it, and lost each and every one.
Let's not forget a couple things about this series: game 3, the yankees dismantled the red sox 19-8 for a commanding 3-0 lead. No MLB team had ever come back from down 0-3. Not even that, no team had ever forced a game 7 when being down 0-3. And it's not like either of games 4, 5, or 6 were blowouts. They were easily within reach of the yankees. They just choked it away.
"The Yankees fell on the wrong side of the record books on Wednesday night, becoming the first team in baseball history to lose a seven-game series after taking a 3-0 lead. The Red Sox took it to them and from them, winning four straight games in four straight nights."
To all your yankees lovers: get over it. With all your storied purchases, err, I mean wins, this will go down in sports history as the biggest collapse, meltdown, CHOKE in all of sports history. There is no way it can be topped. A collapse of this magnitude has ever been seen in baseball (no team every forcing a game 7 after being down 0-3), and no team has come from 0-3 to win a series in either baseball or basketball, and only a couple times in hockey. It's never happened on a bigger stage, and to a rival such as Boston to kick the Yankees in the teeth and take 4 games in a row will ALWAYS be remembered as the biggest choke EVER.
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When your franchise had gone forever without winning a World Series and you are up by 2 runs with no one on base and the other team is down to their last strike on more than one occassion, to me that is the biggest choke ever.
To me it's much easier getting one more strike than it is to win a clinching game
In 86 they even posted Boston RedSox World Series Champs on the Shea scoreboard, thats how close that game was to being over
<<Thanks jad/jerk22 - go back to the forum you came from. You have nothing to add here--just incestual comments - your specialty no doubt. Be looking you up soon to see who you really were/are. Regards.>>
Hi DirtyHarry, how the hell are you?
<<In 86 they even posted Boston RedSox World Series Champs on the Shea scoreboard, thats how close that game was to being over>>
Some people wear perpetual blinders.
Try to spin as you want, the 86 red sox aren't the biggest chokes.
Why do yanks fans think their team can do no wrong? Why do they feel that while everyone else in the country (correctly) believes the 2004 yanks are the biggest chokers in sports history, they aren't?
What's it like to live in such a detatched and deluded world?
-- NOT THE END OF THREAD -- (you can be assured LOL)
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<< <i>Its funny...some Yankee fans such as myself just don't agree with 2004 playoff being the biggest choke EVER. Yet, non-yankee fans continue to tell us what we think. It's not a FACT, its all opinion. The way I felt in 2004 was never NEARLY as painful as what happened in the 2001 World Series. Not even close...so keep dreaming Yankee haters. Your arguement is well taken but not yet convincing.
-- NOT THE END OF THREAD -- (you can be assured LOL) >>
So tell me something.
No other baseball team in the history of the game had ever come back from an 0-3 series to even force a game 7. Not only did the BoSox force game 7, they won it.
If that's not the very definition of choking, then nothing is.
There's no denying losing a world series is more painful (in relating to your point in 2001), but it wasn't anywhere near the level of choking that the yankees displayed last year.
Plain and simple. There is no denying (unless you live in yankee-dreamland where nothing bad can possibly happen to the yankees!)
No one is arguing that losing a world series is more painful. THE CHOKE is what is being discussed. Not what is more painful.
Can you all not get that? Oh wait, you're yankee fans. You don't listen to reasonable discourse.
NOVOCENT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.....its on the other thread that I created.....
you can all keep arguing now..
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loth
Barry, well said!!!!
I guess after such a drought, you take what you can get.
Face the facts, the Yankees choked and allowed the Red Sox to advance. The Red Sox didn't beat the Yankees, the Yankees beat themselves. Yes, they choked. You never hear "Hey the Red Sox kicked thier butts ". You hear " the Yankees choked"
Yes, 2001 was a killer for me, but the 2004 Yankee collapse is the most painful thing I have had to deal with as far as my favorite teams are concerned. Everytime I think about, it just kills me. It will never go away and can never be surpassed. Its there and will always be there.
Now I know how the Red Sox fans felt be fore they finally won. Why couldn't some other team let the red Sox win ?? Why did it have to be my Yanks !! AHHHHH !!! I need to stop thinking about it, I am getting sick.
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
Yankee fans are trying to spin this away from 'biggest choke' to 'biggest disappointment'. No one is disputing that the Yankees giving up the 2001 world series must have been painful.
What you fail to acknowledge is the yankees collapsing and the red sox kicking their collective butts (in NY, no less) 4 straight games after being down 3 games (an unheard of feat in baseball) is easily and widely known as the biggest choke ever.
Quit spinning!