Yankee Red Sox Feud

jad22

I hate thurman munson because he was an overrated Yankee. I hate the Yankees. I hate everyone who has played or managed for the Yankees. I hate every Yankee from Jim Abbott to Zimmer. Yes, I am bitter, and every year they don't win a world series I can feel a little bit better about the world. If Jim Rice had been a Yankee he would have been elected into the hall already. Joltin Joes 56 game hitting streak is the most overrated feat in baseball history. Phil Rizzuto does not belong in the hall of fame. When the sox beat them this weekend I will feel even better. Mickey Mantles 1952 topps card is also the most overrated card of all time.

Carew29

See what a 12 pack of beer will do to a guy?

bsfastball

Yaz has VD

rbdjr1

Jim Rice was a Closet Queen!


rbd

edit: and I think he roomed with Fred Lynn on the road?

edit: A-Rod for MVP! (Ortiz could NEVER be MVP! He's only a DH for God's sake!)

rbdjr1

<< <i>I hate thurman munson because he was an overrated Yankee. I hate the Yankees. I hate everyone who has played or managed for the Yankees. I hate every Yankee from Jim Abbott to Zimmer. Yes, I am bitter, and every year they don't win a world series I can feel a little bit better about the world. If Jim Rice had been a Yankee he would have been elected into the hall already. Joltin Joes 56 game hitting streak is the most overrated feat in baseball history. Phil Rizzuto does not belong in the hall of fame. When the sox beat them this weekend I will feel even better. Mickey Mantles 1952 topps card is also the most overrated card of all time. >>



Stop mixing pills and beer!

rbd

edit: This recently obtained this Thurman Munson card and it is the only card in the 660 card set of my #1 1976 Topps PSA registry set that I have in duplicate: Thurman Munson PSA 9

Lothar52

<< <i>Yaz has VD >>



HAHAHahahaahHAAHAHAHAHAhhhahahaahHAAHAHAA!!!!

rounding3rd

<< <i>Yaz has VD >>



8 kinds???

Lothar52

Did I hear a bell ring??? DING!! ROUND 1 HAS BEGUN!!!!

Lothar52

Hey Phil just called my answering machine....this is what he said and then hung up:

"THIS IS PHIL RIZZUTO OF THE MONEY STORE!!! EAT IT RED SOX FANS!!!!"

rbdjr1

opps!

rbdjr1

Thurman batted .373 in 16 World Series games, not to mention batting .339 in 14 League Championship games.
Thurman batted .292 in a career shortened 11 seasons (and batted over .300 five times!)
Thurman was a multiple gold glove winner!
Thurman was Rookie of the year! (received 23 of 24 votes!)
Thurman was MVP in 1976 '76 scan again!

rbd

edit: September 7, 1978: The Yankees, four games behind the Red Sox in the American League East, arrive in Boston for a crucial 4-game series. The Yanks begin the "Boston Massacre" with a 15–3 route as Willie Randolph drives in five of the runs. The Yanks collect 21 hits off four Sox pitchers, including three hits apiece by Randolph, Thurman Munson and White. Mike Torrez, with one inning of work, takes the loss. Ken Clay, in relief of Catfish Hunter, is the winner. (credit: baseballlibrary.com)

jad22

I think Ortiz should be MVP. However, if they are giving out an award for most valuable panzy then AROD would win that. He slaps like a 7 year old girl. The only award Munson should have is the John Dever award for flying excellence.

rbdjr1

<< <i>I think Ortiz should be MVP. However, if they are giving out an award for most valuable panzy then AROD would win that. He slaps like a 7 year old girl. The only award Munson should have is the John Dever award for flying excellence. >>



Yeah right, play Ortiz for 150 games on the field, and he would be just a slow overweight average hitter! He's nothing but a "nitch player", a good clutch hitter that learned to hit inside pitching. He will go down in baseball history with a few good years at the plate. That's it!

MVP? No way!

rbd

edit: Jim Rice should make the HOF! (But he was with the Red Sox! LOL!)

jad22

Jason Giambi, Mo Vaughn, I guess they were stellar fielders when they won their MVPs. Gold Glove caliber.

jad22

Oh, I forgot about Frank Thomas. Good argument.

Stone193

<< <i>I hate thurman munson because he was an overrated Yankee. I hate the Yankees. I hate everyone who has played or managed for the Yankees. I hate every Yankee from Jim Abbott to Zimmer. Yes, I am bitter, and every year they don't win a world series I can feel a little bit better about the world. If Jim Rice had been a Yankee he would have been elected into the hall already. Joltin Joes 56 game hitting streak is the most overrated feat in baseball history. Phil Rizzuto does not belong in the hall of fame. When the sox beat them this weekend I will feel even better. Mickey Mantles 1952 topps card is also the most overrated card of all time. >>


Jad
This diatribe has to do with sports cards and memorabilia because?

If you were a regular contributor here, I think many would accept the OT - but....

Stone

dgbaseball

Lothar,

Munson couldn't wash Fisk's balls.

Round 2. Bite me.

jad22, great thread. I was once told by Stone that I was not around here long enough to voice my opinion either. You get used to it...

But he is right. There's plenty of this nonsense in the Sports Talk forum. So let's adjust to make this relevant...

Q.

If you could have every Topps and Bowman card ever produced featuring either Mickey Mantle or Ted Williams, which would you want and why? Assume investment/value is not a factor.

A.

Every Williams card, of course. As Mantle was a no good drunk.

1967topps

You'd think that Bucky Dent had hit a walk off home run the way he is referred to in Boston.
Hell...the Yankees weren't even HOME in that game.

jad22

Well, I apologize then. I took the advice of Lothar52 and started a Redsox Yankee feud thread. That is what happens when the topic of the Hall and Munson is brought up.

jad22

Thanks dgbaseball. I would rather have Ted Williams cards as well. I always believed the 1952 mantle to be overrated by collectors. Mantle was a great player, he had about as many livers as he did MVPs.

rbdjr1

A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a Boston Red Sox fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they were Red Sox fans, too.

Not really knowing what a Red Sox fan was, but wanting to be like their teacher, hands explode into the air. There is, however, one exception. A girl named Lucy has not gone along with the crowd.

The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. "Because I'm not a Red Sox fan."

"Then," asks the teacher, "what are you?"

"Why I'm proud to be a Yankees fan.", boasts the little girl.

The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks Lucy why she is a Yankees fan.

"Well, My Dad and Mom are Yankees fans, and I'm a Yankees fan, too!"

The teacher is now angry. "That's no reason," she says loudly. "What if your mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron, What would you be then?"

A pause, and a smile. "Then," says Lucy, "I'd be a Red Sox fan."

rbd

rbdjr1

<< <i>Thanks dgbaseball. I would rather have Ted Williams cards as well. I always believed the 1952 mantle to be overrated by collectors. Mantle was a great player, he had about as many livers as he did MVPs. >>



What's the free give-away on Ted Williams Day at Fenway?

answer: Ice Pops

rbd

edit: Banes of Boston: ...Babe ...Bucky ...Buckner and ...Boone!

julen23

Dave Kingman were a Yankee, he would be in HOF.

Free Bertuzzi

Julen

rbdjr1

Two boys are playing hockey on a pond in Central Park when one is attacked by a rabid Rottweiler.

Thinking quickly, the other boy takes his stick, wedges it down the dog's collar and twists, breaking the dog's neck.

A reporter who was strolling by sees the incident, and rushes over to interview the boy. "Young Rangers Fan Saves Friend from Vicious Animal," he starts writing in his notebook.

"But I'm not a Rangers fan," the little hero replied.

"Sorry, since we are in New York, I just assumed you were," said the reporter. "Yankees Fan Rescues Friend From Horrific Attack" he continued writing in his notebook.

"I'm not a Yankees fan either," the boy said.

"I assumed everyone in New York was either for the Rangers or Yankees. What team do you root for?" the reporter asked.

"I'm a Red Sox fan," the child replied.

The reporter starts a new sheet in his notebook and writes, "Little B astard from Boston kills Beloved Family Pet."

rbd

Axtell

<< <i>Dave Kingman were a Yankee, he would be in HOF.

Free Bertuzzi

Julen >>



This argument could be made for any number of players.

Jack Morris would have been a first ballot HoFer if he played for the yanks.

The yankees have more overrated players in the hall than any other team in the bigs. They get so much media hype, past and present, you'd think that putting on the pinstripes means instant HoF entry.

I respect Munson's numbers as much as anyone, but if he played for any other team, there'd be NO ONE pushing his HoF entry. Same with Mattingly. Good career, but no way in hell is that guy deserving of the hall.

Same with Torre...take away a team full of all-stars, and the guy's a sub .500 manager (look at his 1900+ games prior to his current stint with the yanks).

dgbaseball

rbdjr1, Please. Quit with the recycled jokes. I'm sure just about everyone here has heard them with their team/their rival inserted into the joke.

Here's the best Yankee joke I've ever heard:

2004.


Boy, I still haven't stopped laughing from that one.

jad22

you forgot about joe gordon, 1942 MVP.

Axtell

<< <i>rbdjr1, Please. Quit with the recycled jokes. I'm sure just about everyone here has heard them with their team/their rival inserted into the joke.

Here's the best Yankee joke I've ever heard:

2004.


Boy, I still haven't stopped laughing from that one. >>



I thought it was the best yankee choke I'd ever heard.

Second was choking away 3 games in a row in '95 to the Mariners.

rbdjr1

<< <i>I thought it was the best yankee choke I'd ever heard.

Second was choking away 3 games in a row in '95 to the Mariners. >>



choke on this:

New York Yanks!
26 World Championships, 39 Pennants, and 44 Playoff Appearances



rbd

ctsoxfan

Oh no - Gemmy, is this you?

jad22

they blew a 3-0, they haven't won a world series since their payroll ballooned over 100 million dollars. They have no minor league talent and they can't even buy good players for 200 million dollars. Go ahead and bring up the past but you can't live there hoss.

julen23

You're fired.

Julen

Axtell

<< <i>

<< <i>I thought it was the best yankee choke I'd ever heard.

Second was choking away 3 games in a row in '95 to the Mariners. >>



choke on this:

New York Yanks!
26 World Championships, 39 Pennants, and 44 Playoff Appearances



rbd >>



oooh living in the past much, chokey?

jad22

I like the boston celtics but I don't go around living in the past.

Axtell

<< <i>Thurman batted .373 in 16 World Series games, not to mention batting .339 in 14 League Championship games.
Thurman batted .292 in a career shortened 11 seasons (and batted over .300 five times!)
Thurman was a multiple gold glove winner!
Thurman was Rookie of the year! (received 23 of 24 votes!)
Thurman was MVP in 1976 '76 scan again!
>>


All this and he STILL doesn't belong in the hall.



<< <i>
edit: September 7, 1978: The Yankees, four games behind the Red Sox in the American League East, arrive in Boston for a crucial 4-game series. The Yanks begin the "Boston Massacre" with a 15–3 route as Willie Randolph drives in five of the runs. The Yanks collect 21 hits off four Sox pitchers, including three hits apiece by Randolph, Thurman Munson and White. Mike Torrez, with one inning of work, takes the loss. Ken Clay, in relief of Catfish Hunter, is the winner. (credit: baseballlibrary.com) >>


>>



2004 Postseason: The yankees, up 3-0, feel their path is cleared for a roll to another world series appearance. They go on to commit the biggest choke in all of sports history by not losing 1, 2, or even 3 games in a row but by blowing FOUR games in a row. They commit a choke of EPIC proportions and go on to watch the Red Sox roll through to win the world series. Yankee fans everywhere hire therapists to pay for therapy that will erase this memory, thereby eliminating the pain and embarassment it causes.

rbdjr1

Fisk had a long, great career (over 24 seasons!)
Munson died after 11 seasons! Impossible to know what numbers Munson could have had if he lived and played on? He had some great years also!

One way to get a "ticket to the Hall" is Post Season Performances: And Munson's post season numbers are Hall of Fame numbers. When you can post a batting average of .357 with 129 at bats in the Post Season, in addition to those 11 seasons that included ROY and a MVP, with 5 seasons over .300, cut short with death! A HALL OF FAME LOCK!

Carlton Fisk - Postseason Batting
54 AT BATS
14 HITS
.259 AVERAGE

Thurmon Munson - Postseason batting
129 AT BATS
46 HITS
.357 AVERAGE

Fisk couldn't shine Munson's shoes in the post season. NO CONTEST!

rbd

Axtell

<< <i>Fisk had a long, great career (over 24 seasons!)
Munson died after 11 seasons! Impossible to know what numbers Munson could have had if he lived and played on? He had some great years also!
>>



As has been stated before, Munson's health issues were affecting his on the field play...had he not died, he'd have been forced to retire by 80.



<< <i>
One way to get a "ticket to the Hall" is Post Season Performances: And Munson's post season numbers are Hall of Fame numbers. When you can post a batting average of .357 with 129 at bats in the Post Season, in addition to those 11 seasons that included ROY and a MVP, with 5 seasons over .300, cut short with death! A HALL OF FAME LOCK!
>>


Lock? Uhm, how many votes did Munson get last year?



<< <i>
Carlton Fisk - Postseason Batting
54 AT BATS
14 HITS
.259 AVERAGE

Thurmon Munson - Postseason batting
129 AT BATS
46 HITS
.357 AVERAGE

Fisk couldn't shine Munson's shoes in the post season. NO CONTEST!

rbd >>



Oooh 54 at bats is such a HUGE sample size. What's it like to be so insanely jealous of Fisk you dig up some meaningless numbers?

Stone193

<< <i>Well, I apologize then. I took the advice of Lothar52 and started a Redsox Yankee feud thread. That is what happens when the topic of the Hall and Munson is brought up. >>


jad
I didn't know that...no...I apologize...but I will have to tell you...I'm a Braves fan but was a big Yanks fans while at Columbia in the late 70s and that was a great team! When it comes to a debate on whether they belong in the hall or not? I don't get involved.

A lot of Yanks were jerks...I separate them from the game..."love the game, not the players" has become my motto.

Lothar - this is your fault!

mike

rbdjr1

<<"Oooh 54 at bats is such a HUGE sample size. What's it like to be so insanely jealous of Fisk you dig up some meaningless numbers?" >>

You missed the point, I wasn't using Fisk's 54 at bat, below average postseason performances, as much as I was illustrating that Munson batted almost 100 points higher in the postseason than Fisk, add that to his solid 11 season career,

he deserves "The Hall". He earned it! Maybe he was voted in because of his death, but he still had a Hall of Fame postseason career! And a very solid 11 season career. And may have had many more solid "Fisk-like" seasons. LOL!

Heaven only knows?

rbd

Axtell

<< <i>
Heaven only knows?

rbd >>



No the voters know and they have said resoundingly NO.

Munson had a fine career. What if he hadn't played on the yankees and had all those postseason at bats? Just like Bernie and Jeter, they'd all be NOBODIES without the postseason and NY hype machine hard at work.

He won't ever get in the hall. Get over it already.

DirtyHarry

Jad22 - I think. Thank you for your post. Not only is it misplaced, it is unfortunate. Of course, any a-hole such as yourself can come on this board and demonstrate ignorance and foolishness. Congratulations.

tkd7

Am I missing something here?

1. If (insert name of solid major league star) were a Yankee, he'd be in the HOF even though they don't deserve it.
2. Mattingly and Munson (solid major league stars) are not in the HOF

So the voters have it right on both counts. Not sure how either side is using this argument.

Next one:

The Yankees committed the biggest choke in basebally history last year.

Yeah, they did blow the series, but the more I hear about the choke the more it makes it sound like the Red Sox didn't win the series but the Yankees lost it. Which makes the Red Sox a mediocre champ.

OK, back to the kicking and punching

Axtell

No, people aren't saying if they were a yankee, undeserving players would be in. You're mistaken on that one.

If Jack Morris had pitched for the yankees like he pitched for the tigers, he'd have been a first ballot HoFer. That's for sure.

If Munson had played outside NY, no one would even mention his name.

And no one said the yankees lost the series, everyone says the redsox won it. The yankees had 4 chances at winning one game and they couldn't close escrow. That's why it's the biggest choke in sports history. Let's not forget the red sox went on to destroy a very, very good cardinals team, and swept them at that.

DirtyHarry

This thread....

Axtell

<< <i>This thread....

>>



Then why are you here posting if it's so beneath you? Not trying to nitpick, just curious.

tkd7

<< <i>If Jim Rice had been a Yankee he would have been elected into the hall already. >>



I think that is saying undeserving players would be elected to the Hall, so I'm not mistaken on that one.

Axtell

<< <i>

<< <i>If Jim Rice had been a Yankee he would have been elected into the hall already. >>



I think that is saying undeserving players would be elected to the Hall, so I'm not mistaken on that one. >>



Jim Rice is deserving...so you are mistaken, sir.

DaBigHurt

Forgive Axtell. He's still bitter about his Mariners and what happened to them the year they had the best regular season record ever and got bounced by the Yanks.

This is a Yankee/Red Sox fued. What the heck are you even doing here? Is there a thread where you can complain about how Adrian Beltre or something?

DirtyHarry

Read the whole thing. I am looking at it - Axtell - because I think it compromises the decent nature of the board. You are a regular contributor -- you know this crap is posted in the "wrong" place - and you support the nonsense of board crashers. Then again..it's a free world.

Copy my post and make one of your usual synical comment.

Axtell

<< <i>Forgive Axtell. He's still bitter about his Mariners and what happened to them the year they had the best regular season record ever and got bounced by the Yanks.

This is a Yankee/Red Sox fued. What the heck are you even doing here? Is there a thread where you can complain about how Adrian Beltre or something? >>



It's not so much about Boston/NY, as it is despising everything the yanks stand for...greed, east coast media bias, undeserved fame. You name it, the Yanks got it.

Harry I was simply curious why, if you didn't like the thread so much, why post is all?

rbdjr1

<< <i>Munson had a fine career. What if he hadn't played on the yankees and had all those postseason at bats? Just like Bernie and Jeter, they'd all be NOBODIES without the postseason and NY hype machine hard at work.

He won't ever get in the hall. Get over it already. >>



But he did play for the Yanks! He performed great in the Postseason (.357)! He's in Hall! You get over it! LOL!

As far as Boston baseball is concerned, it was nice to see Boston baseball break-out of that 80+ year "choke cycle" and finally win! But I was sorry to see it at the expense of the Yanks! It "blew me away" to see the Yankees blow a 3 game lead. I'[ll get over it! LOL!

I grew-up an Indians fan, moved to NYC, and adopted the Yanks!

Basketball was a different story as my cousin, once opon a time, was the owner of the Boston Celtics and they were great team! So I had mixed feelings between the Knicks and the Celtics. But baseball was a different story. Every Yankee fan "lived to love to hate the Red Sox"! " LOL!

rbd

edit: Bob Schmertz ('72-75)