<< <i>Well jayhawk, how an underbidder was willing to pay $300 for a common 1977 PSA 9? I don'r have a clue. I guess he didn't want to pay that price, for zef told me he was offering a "second chance" to that "underbidder". It was more like a "fat chance" than a "second chance", as in my wildest, I have no idea why someone would pay $300 for that card.
rbd >>
i can just about guarantee the underbidder would have honored his bid..
<< <i>My question to all this is simply how did Robert retract this bid? I was under the impression one needed 12 hrs or more left in the auction to do so.
Steve >>
he didnt.. he freakin won the auction and THEN backed out.. heh.. >>
I didn't retract my bid, after the auction was over I explained my error to the seller, and he understood it was a mistake! I guess he's having a memory lapse. As he agreed to offer the item to the underbidder (via second chance) and I then agreed to pay any extra fees due to my error.
<< <i>Well jayhawk, how an underbidder was willing to pay $300 for a common 1977 PSA 9? I don'r have a clue. I guess he didn't want to pay that price, for zef told me he was offering a "second chance" to that "underbidder". It was more like a "fat chance" than a "second chance", as in my wildest, I have no idea why someone would pay $300 for that card.
rbd >>
i can just about guarantee the underbidder would have honored his bid.. >>
<< <i>My question to all this is simply how did Robert retract this bid? I was under the impression one needed 12 hrs or more left in the auction to do so.
Steve >>
he didnt.. he freakin won the auction and THEN backed out.. heh.. >>
<< <i> didn't retract my bid, after the auction was over I explained my error to the seller, and he understood it was a mistake! I guess he's having a memory lapse. As he agreed to offer the item to the underbidder (via second chance) and I then agreed to pay any extra fees due to my error.
That was to be the end of it! So I thought? >>
rbd, what was I to do? Either you were going to pay or you are not. Given your immediate e-mail following the auctions end, I realized 2 things.
1) You were not going to pay. 2) You were watching the auction and saw the price was over the $5.55 you claimed you bid and you did nothing about it. Why didn't you e-mail me frantically when you saw you were still the winning bidder at $26.51 during the remaining 6 hours.
Given the fact that you e-mailed me within a minute after the auction's end, I knew you were watching. Then you frantically paid me for the other auctions you won minus this one before I e-mailed you a reply. That was when I knew you weren't going to pay me for the contract you entered into with me.
Read this again:
<< <i>You got to feel for those sellers that spend countless hours hunting for "wax" and then spend "a pretty penny" to buy a wax box and then crack it open (this part is fun!) those '70s OPC boxes and packs! Spend "a ton of time" to cull out possible PSA submissions, fill-out the forms, package-up for PSA, pay for registered return mail, pay for those PSA grading fees, stand in line at the post office, wait what seems forever for that email from PSA, letting you know your cards and grades are ready, wait another week or so to receive your PSA slabs, oh yea! ...wait in line again at the post office, ...wait a minute! all they got out of that wax box was 3 PSA 10s and 12 PSA 9s, and 15 PSA 8s? Spend more hours loading cards for auctions on ebay. (Yep, it costs listing fees, selling fees, etc.) Ok ebay, pay extra for that gallery picture! Should the seller pay for those 10-day auctions (nah! ...thats enough bread already for ebay!).Wait another week for the auctions to end. Wait some more time to get paid (most likely, PayPal fees taken out), spend a lot of time carefully packing these auction items securely for shipping. Stand in line, yet again at the post office, hoping that the items arrive undamaged, maybe get some positive feedback for all the seller's quality efforts;
And how much did some of these Mint '70 OPCs fetch? LOL! >>
This hardly relates to the low value of OPC cards but more so the process the people(sellers) go through to get these cards to guys like you.
Just let it go guy. Liar is a harsh word, weasle is a slimey word, and you are not a man of your word. I don't know much, but I know this.
1) Nobody likes to spend the time grading cards and having them sell for less then the listing fee, and there's no need to rub it in on a public forum-- which you clearly did with the little 'LOL!' at the end of your initial post.
2) Bid retractions are irritating and can get in the way of an auction. Change the way you bid. If you're bidding 'fast and furious' then slow down, and show a little consideration for the people who take the time to list their cards. The idea that 'I can screw up my bid and just retract it later, so I don't need to take the time to do it right the first time' is immature and irresponsible.
3) Maybe your inital post wasn't intended to be malicious-- and, in fact, I doubt it was. Judging by your bidding habits you don't appear to be the type of guy who thinks things through before he commits, so I wouldn't surprise me to discover that you didn't have a clue as to how your initial post would be interpreted. You're probably a nice, good hearted guy; the fact that you've tried to explain yourself on these forums is evidence of that. But you should show a little discretion when you post transactions that involve fellow board members.
4) Congrats on picking up some very nice cards at a very low price.
<< <i>Are you all nuts? I did for hit $555.00 what do think I'm nuts! You know by my other purchases from you that the bid was to be $5.55. We solved that problem, now you bring that up. >>
havent you also been known to spend several hundred dollars on single cards before?
so am i incorrect in that you were the winning bidder but didnt pay? >>
p.a., what part of both parties agreeing that my bid was a mistake and what part of me agreeing to pay for any "surplus' fees that the seller may encounter to you not understand?
Listen p.a., , he has communicated with me that it was ok, and agreed to "let me off the hook" because of my error, the seller communicated with me just in the last few days, about more cards he's getting back from PSA and would give me a heads up about them. He was ok with what happened. I would have never left a traqnsaction unsolved. Come on look at my transactions, why would I do that?
We gave each other positive feedback on other items after the mistake took place. He is only upset, today because of the original post here today! He took something personal, out of the post, and quite frankly, nothing was personal, or meant to be personal on my part.
p.a., if you want to say I was the high bidder you can but when both parties agree not to complete the transaction, then that's it. We both did. End of story. And as far as me not will to pay for his fees? Thats silly, as I was glad to do so.
1) Nobody likes to spend the time grading cards and having them sell for less then the listing fee, and there's no need to rub it in on a public forum-- which you clearly did with the little 'LOL!' at the end of your initial post.
2) Bid retractions are irritating and can get in the way of an auction. Change the way you bid. If you're bidding 'fast and furious' then slow down, and show a little consideration for the people who take the time to list their cards. The idea that 'I can screw up my bid and just retract it later, so I don't need to take the time to do it right the first time' is immature and irresponsible.
3) Maybe your inital post wasn't intended to be malicious-- and, in fact, I doubt it was. Judging by your bidding habits you don't appear to be the type of guy who thinks things through before he commits, so I wouldn't surprise me to discover that you didn't have a clue as to how your initial post would be interpreted. You're probably a nice, good hearted guy; the fact that you've tried to explain yourself on these forums is evidence of that. But you should show a little discretion when you post transactions that involve fellow board members.
4) Congrats on picking up some very nice cards at a very low price. >>
well said, and I agree with all you said, as I was not in any way trying to hurt anyone. In fact I was not even thinking that about anyone. I just picked out five recent OPCs that "hammered" for a small price. It just so happened that 2 of them belonged to him. That does not excuse one saying I'm a liar and a cheapo. It was just the opposite. We were both friendly and both were understanding about what happened.
Come on, the post was a "satire" on a what a seller goes thru from "cracking raw material" to getting it graded and then selling it on ebay. It was supposed to be "funny and informative". Not at all hurtful.
"well said, and I agree with all you said, as I was not in any way trying to hurt anyone."
When you put this statement in the context of your proceeding posts I think it's hard to argue that you're not being sincere here. So, while I hate to act like the 'board referee' (Stone would kill me if I took his job, LOL!) I'm hoping this matter is now settled.
Also, it's important to realize that if the bid was a mistake then Jordan wasn't going to get $300 for the card anyway. That doesn't make the bid retraction any less irritating, but it's not the same as actually taking money out of the seller's pocket.
<< <i>Are you all nuts? I did for hit $555.00 what do think I'm nuts! You know by my other purchases from you that the bid was to be $5.55. We solved that problem, now you bring that up. >>
havent you also been known to spend several hundred dollars on single cards before? >>
yes p.a., I buy many cards with high price tag, but that was not the case here, and the seller kwew it and I had his agreement about it!
It never would have been an issue, except for some newbie that bid some insane underbid. that's what made the whole mess really crazy. Just remember, I never bid high just to win a cheap card. When I pay hundreds of dollars for an item. It is because I feel the item is worth it. The 1977 common that I bid on was not one of those cards. Within minutes after the auction ended I was getting ready to pay thru paypal for a bunch of cards, when I discovered the mistake, and within minutes more, both zef (Jordon) and myself came to an agreement about the item. The problem was solved between us. The only unresolved issue was any extra fees Jordon might get from ebay. I offered to pay those fees. We were happy!
<< <i>Also, it's important to realize that if the bid was a mistake then Jordan wasn't going to get $300 for the card anyway. That doesn't make the bid retraction any less irritating, but it's not the same as actually taking money out of the seller's pocket. >>
yeah, one more thing.. Zef's name is J-O-R-D-A-N.. damn, he's told you that already several times and you keep calling him Jason.. get the mans name right..
i was at a party one night and this dude kept calling a buddy of mine by the wrong name even after being politely corrected a couple times.. i couldnt really tell if the guy was trying to act cool, or what his deal was, but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene..
<< <i> but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene.. >>
<< <i>but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene >>
<< <i>what choice did he have but to let you off the hook?.. would you honestly have paid if he had held you to your binding contract? >>
p.a., this was not a "what if" scenerio. that fact is HE DID let me off the hook, and weeks later, because he took a post personal tonite, that was in no way meant to be any kind of a personal attack, not even close! ...re-opened the issue, and attacked me by calling me a liar and cheap because I didn't pay his ebay fees? Come on!
That was not called for! (Come on Jordan, if you happen to read this post, just let me know how much you are out because of any extra fees. maybe you just didn't want to ask me? I do not know. As I was more than willing to pay you for those fees, I STILL AM, AS IT WAS MY FAULT, NOT YOURS! IT WOULD NOT BE A BURDEN TO PAY YOU, JUST ASK!)
As far as the "what if" if Jordan wanted to hold me to a binding contract? All I can say "we didn't go down that road". Jordan said he understood and quite frankly, if he receive $300 for that card byholding someone "hostage to a binding contract", knowing a mistake occurred (30 TO 100 TIMES THE ACTUAL BID - $5.55 to $555), would not say much for that person's character. If a seller would attempt to collect on an "easy to see" mistaken "type-o" bid, by using the "binding contract bit", would be, IMO, nothing more than a crook, doing "legal robbery". Jordan never once indicated he was holding me to a "binding contract". But he did mention he was concerned about any excess fees he might have to pay, and I told him "I would gladly pay him for those extra fees".
p.a., if someone won on item from you that you knew was worth, let's say a dollar, and somehow forgot to include the decimil point in his bid. Knowing the item was only worth a dollar, would any sane person try to hold the winning bidder to a "binding contract" to pay 100 times the value of an item? I'm sure you are an honest guy and would also "let that bidder of the hook"? And if the bidder agreed to pay you for any fees because of the mistake? Would even make it more honorable. heh?
I collect 1977 Topps baseball. Although I retired my set from the PSA registry, I continue to build it as agressively as ever. As for the Madlock, it is not a common in my world or just another card to stack on a dresser or keep in a large plastic bin from Target. You see, I actually collect Bill Madlock. I am still looking for a truly fabulous example of his 1975 Topps card. I have purchased more '77 OPC's looking for variations than I care to admit, but as you can see in this thread from a few years ago, the Madlock bid I placed was not as off base for an actual Madlock collector as it would be for someone who, I apologize if I'm incorrect, failed to even mention the card by name in this thread. Rather, it is referred to a "77 common". Here's a thread from a couple years back...
I actually was very fortunate in this scenario as I won a card for a very reasonable price when I was willing to honor my bid had I won the auction outright. In fact when I got home and didn't see the auction as "WON" in my bidnapper, I was shocked and told my wife "There's no beating rbdjr. I hope he appreciates the card and 'the search continues'.
The problem is that second-chance offers always make a buyer weary. Particularily a skeptical type-A such as myself. The good news from this is that zef has a new customer, and he's local to me so perhaps we found new collecting pals. I'm thrilled he gave me another opportunity to bid for the card. I fortunately didn't check emails for a few days due to family issues and I was moving as well and was computer-less until it got hooked up. Zef emailed and said the card was live and I re-bid. Simple as that.
In the event that I DID make a mistake and entered an erroneous bid amount, I would simply pay for the card, offer it to the under-bidder a month later, and would begin to type really carefully from then on.
You do seem like a passionate guy and it's great to "meet" you here. I think--I could be wrong--but some folks may get a Jim Crandell vibe from you as the cards SEEM, I say, SEEM, to be little more than a plastic case to you based on your bidding habits and approach in discussing them. I wouldn't take it personally if some guys get on you. I think the written word in a forum like this tends to come across real different than the same conversation in person.
I'll second what Boopotts has said, that you should please be nice when considering discussing another board member's auction that you won at a low price. If it looks like you are making fun of him, it is not appreciated.
As to bid retractions, I fall somewhere in the middle. I've had to retract a fair number of bids (usually 1 every couple of months) for an incorrect bid amount. That does have to do with how I enter bids - I try to do it quickly, and occasionally hit the comma rather than the decimal point (ebay ignores the comma) - I don't always catch it on the confirm bid screen, and if I don't, my bid is too high by a factor of 100. HOWEVER, I have always caught it right then and retracted it immediately, and entered a correct bid amount.
For what it's worth, the Chambliss went for 3 bucks because it is so poorly centered and dodged a qualifier. If it looked like the Madlock and YANKEES was in the title, it's at least a $35 card...I can guarantee that price
I collect 1977 Topps baseball. Although I retired my set from the PSA registry, I continue to build it as agressively as ever. As for the Madlock, it is not a common in my world or just another card to stack on a dresser or keep in a large plastic bin from Target. You see, I actually collect Bill Madlock. I am still looking for a truly fabulous example of his 1975 Topps card. I have purchased more '77 OPC's looking for variations than I care to admit, but as you can see in this thread from a few years ago, the Madlock bid I placed was not as off base for an actual Madlock collector as it would be for someone who, I apologize if I'm incorrect, failed to even mention the card by name in this thread. Rather, it is referred to a "77 common". Here's a thread from a couple years back...
I actually was very fortunate in this scenario as I won a card for a very reasonable price when I was willing to honor my bid had I won the auction outright. In fact when I got home and didn't see the auction as "WON" in my bidnapper, I was shocked and told my wife "There's no beating rbdjr. I hope he appreciates the card and 'the search continues'.
The problem is that second-chance offers always make a buyer weary. Particularily a skeptical type-A such as myself. The good news from this is that zef has a new customer, and he's local to me so perhaps we found new collecting pals. I'm thrilled he gave me another opportunity to bid for the card. I fortunately didn't check emails for a few days due to family issues and I was moving as well and was computer-less until it got hooked up. Zef emailed and said the card was live and I re-bid. Simple as that.
In the event that I DID make a mistake and entered an erroneous bid amount, I would simply pay for the card, offer it to the under-bidder a month later, and would begin to type really carefully from then on.
You do seem like a passionate guy and it's great to "meet" you here. I think--I could be wrong--but some folks may get a Jim Crandell vibe from you as the cards SEEM, I say, SEEM, to be little more than a plastic case to you based on your bidding habits and approach in discussing them. I wouldn't take it personally if some guys get on you. I think the written word in a forum like this tends to come across real different than the same conversation in person.
Here's to the original "Mad Dog"!
Zef, thanks again! Now find me a George Hendrick!
dgf >>
dgf, Thats all well and good! And I'm glad you got the card! Are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the winning bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would just pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? In order to win a card, you put a bid of $311 as your high bid? Well dgf, i guess you really do deserve the item after all? So let me get this straight, you used a sniping service bid up this (ok, I will not call the Bill Madlock card a common, out of respect to you!) card for you and because of your $300+ snipe bid, it triggered my $555.00 mistaken bid to $ 316, I get it!
<< <i>are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the high bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? >>
...Yes, that is what the "newbie" is saying. I was trying to be gentle and positive with you and your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". If you bid and have the means to pay, you should pay. That's how I feel. It doesn't make me noble or righteous or better than you in any way, it's just the way I choose to do things. Step back and look at this thing big picture. Enjoy your cards and remember always... Honor your Mother and Father, Don't shout in a library, deliver more than you promise, don't piss in the wind and Bill Madlock is a 4-time batting champ and that ain't common!
dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet , is a slap in the face(or to the head with a lava lamp) to those of us who are actually here for the love of the game.
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding.
<< <i>are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the high bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? >>
...Yes, that is what the "newbie" is saying. I was trying to be gentle and positive with you and your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". If you bid and have the means to pay, you should pay. That's how I feel. It doesn't make me noble or righteous or better than you in any way, it's just the way I choose to do things. Step back and look at this thing big picture. Enjoy your cards and remember always... Honor your Mother and Father, Don't shout in a library, deliver more than you promise, don't piss in the wind and Bill Madlock is a 4-time batting champ and that ain't common!
dgf >>
Cool. I'll collect my cards in plastic holders, stack them and store them properly, thank you very much! Good luck with your collection and hope you never get stuck paying a $ 300 for a 1977 Bill Madlock PSA 9.
Before I comment on this situation, I will say that I have no personal issues with zef or rdb.
Whether or not zef actually meant it, zef DID agree to let rdb off the hook for his "mistake". They mutually agreed to cancel the transaction. With that said, I feel that zef is in the wrong for bringing this up now.
Having said that, if I had been in zef's position, I would not have let rdb off the hook. rdb entered into a legally binding contract when he placed the bid. I would have absolutely enforced that contract, and rdb would have paid the $316 for the card whether he liked it or not -- even if it required a court order to get him to pay.
I have zero tolerance for this "mistake" nonsense. Frankly, I do not believe it was a mistake -- and that is why I have been putting quotes around that word. Even if it was a mistake, I do not care. It was not my mistake. It is not my problem. Harsh? Maybe, but I've been selling on eBay since the late 90s and I've heard every possible "my dog ate my homework" excuse. I'm at the point where I do not care if it was an honest mistake or a downright lie. The bottom line is that bidders need to take responsibility for their actions. rdb should have taken responsibility for his "mistake" by paying for the item. And if rdb was unwilling to do that, zef should have legally forced him to.
I also have a major problem with rdb's thinking that paying zef his seller's fees makes everything ok. That's garbage.
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet , is a slap in the face(or to the head with a lava lamp) to those of us who are actually here for the love of the game.
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
That's bull! You would have sold me the card for the opening bid of a few bucks, if he (Dogiehauser!) didn't bid on it, as I was the only other bidder! So because of this high bid sniping of $311.00 and my $ 555.00 type-o, caused this to happen, I've been collecting cards for some time and maybe not as passionate as the buyer of the madlock card, as he was willing to pay you $311 for the card and I was will to pay "tons less". That fact of the matter you called me a liar and a cheapo tonite, while I didn't even mention you in my original post. jason I didn't even realize that you were the seller for those items, until I made the post! I'm real sorry that you didn't reap a $300+ reward for the madlock card. And I'm happy that a deserving collector obtained the item for what I'm sure was a fair and more realistic price for a '77 OPC, not some inflated snipe price of $300+.
If I lost some credability tonite, I can't help that! I'll continue to 'salt away' material I feel worthy, and continue to build on my PSA Registry Sets, and hope "my cardboard passions' can live up to the expectations of fellow collectors here.
<< <i>Before I comment on this situation, I will say that I have no personal issues with zef or rdb.
Whether or not zef actually meant it, zef DID agree to let rdb off the hook for his "mistake". They mutually agreed to cancel the transaction. With that said, I feel that zef is in the wrong for bringing this up now.
Having said that, if I had been in zef's position, I would not have let rdb off the hook. rdb entered into a legally binding contract when he placed the bid. I would have absolutely enforced that contract, and rdb would have paid the $316 for the card whether he liked it or not -- even if it required a court order to get him to pay.
I have zero tolerance for this "mistake" nonsense. Frankly, I do not believe it was a mistake -- and that is why I have been putting quotes around that word. Even if it was a mistake, I do not care. It was not my mistake. It is not my problem. Harsh? Maybe, but I've been selling on eBay since the late 90s and I've heard every possible "my dog ate my homework" excuse. I'm at the point where I do not care if it was an honest mistake or a downright lie. The bottom line is that bidders need to take responsibility for their actions. rdb should have taken responsibility for his "mistake" by paying for the item. And if rdb was unwilling to do that, zef should have legally forced him to.
I also have a major problem with rdb's thinking that paying zef his seller's fees makes everything ok. That's garbage. >>
You got it right and then wrong!
#1 Right: I was let off the hook!
#2 Wrong: It truly was a mistake in the bid.
#3 Wrong: zef ask me to pay for any excess fees, I said I would. That's no garbage!
edit: countryboy, I guess I'm different. I would have let you off the hook, if you made a bidding error 100 times higher by leaving the deciml out of the bid. No principals to prove here, "legally binding contract or not", if you were a customer of mine and made an error, and brought it to my attention, I wouldn't think twice about it, I would NEVER hold you to it! Different strokes for different folks.
For what it's worth, the Chambliss went for 3 bucks because it is so poorly centered and dodged a qualifier. If it looked like the Madlock and YANKEES was in the title, it's at least a $35 card...I can guarantee that price
dgf >>
For what it's worth, the Madlock card would have also sold for three bucks, if you didn't bid on it. There were no other bidders involved in the item.
Absolutely. He let you off the hook, and he was in the wrong for bringing this up now. However, it is my opinion that zef made a mistake by letting you off the hook.
<< <i>#2 Wrong: It truly was a mistake in the bid. >>
You missed the point here. There's no way that you can prove it was a mistake, and there's no way that he can prove it wasn't a mistake. From a legal standpoint, it doesn't matter either way. You entered into a legally binding contract. Zef had every right to enforce that contract, and I feel that he should have.
<< <i>#3 Wrong: zef ask me to pay for any excess fees, I said I would. That's no garbage! >>
Again, you missed the point. I was not saying that you wouldn't have paid the fees. I'm sure you would have. My problem with this is your thinking that paying his fees makes everything ok. It doesn't make everything ok. It's basically the equivalent of zef going into a convenience store, buying a $2 scratch off ticket, winning $300, you ripping it up, and then you offering to give him $2 so he can buy another scratch off ticket -- in order to make everything ok in your mind. That's like saying "well everything is ok now because he went into the convenience store with $2 to buy a scratch off ticket and he is walking out of the convenience store with a scratch off ticket". It's complete garbage, in my opinion. We all know that the odds of him winning $300 on the 2nd scratch off ticket are next to zero.
rdb, as I've said, I have no personal issues with you or zef. I don't agree with how you handled this situation, and I feel that you should have taken responsibility for your "mistake". But the fact of the matter is that zef let you off the hook. That should have been the end of it. Again, I don't feel that he should have let you off the hook BUT he did. And it's my opinion that he is in the wrong for bringing this up on a public forum after agreeing to mutually cancel the transaction. That doesn't mean what you did was right. It simply means that zef let you out of the contract, and the issue should have been over at that point.
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet , is a slap in the face(or to the head with a lava lamp) to those of us who are actually here for the love of the game.
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
If I bid on this item a second time it was #1 I liked the card, but, most of all, #2 I like buying and bidding from sellers I've done business with that offer me good service, and your service was great. Lets see: I won the following auctions recently from you: During July and August:
1977 O Pee Chee #185 Jim Sundberg PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #208 Toby Harrah PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #26 Jerry Koosman PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #118 Greg Luzinski PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #187 Fergie Jenkins PSA 8 1977 O-Pee-Chee #22 Gary Woods PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #49 Chris Chambliss PSA 9 1977 O-Pee-Chee #185 Jim Sundberg PSA 9 1976 Topps #323 Rob Sperring PSA 9 (Been looking for this card for a quite a while, thanks! For my set, see below!) 1939 Movie Card Virginia Grey PSA 9 1939 Movie Card Joan Gardner PSA 8
I'm sorry that we had to come to this! As I would have been a loyal, agressive, long term buyer of your auctions, as i was very satisfied with your items! I'm sure you will do well with downgoesfrazier, as he seems very pleased with you and your items. Good luck to ya! rbd
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1976 Topps Baseball #1 All-time 100% 9.35 Set rating 1961 Nu-Card FB # 1 All-time 100% 9.53 Set rating Pete Rose Master # 5 30% (With a ton of "raw Rose" waiting "in the wings!") Buyer of '70s OPCs ...and more!
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet , is a slap in the face(or to the head with a lava lamp) to those of us who are actually here for the love of the game.
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
That's bull! You would have sold me the card for the opening bid of a few bucks, if he (Dogiehauser!) didn't bid on it, as I was the only other bidder! So because of this high bid sniping of $311.00 and my $ 555.00 type-o, caused this to happen, I've been collecting cards for some time and maybe not as passionate as the buyer of the madlock card, as he was willing to pay you $311 for the card and I was will to pay "tons less". That fact of the matter you called me a liar and a cheapo tonite, while I didn't even mention you in my original post. jason I didn't even realize that you were the seller for those items, until I made the post! I'm real sorry that you didn't reap a $300+ reward for the madlock card. And I'm happy that a deserving collector obtained the item for what I'm sure was a fair and more realistic price for a '77 OPC, not some inflated snipe price of $300+.
If I lost some credability tonite, I can't help that! I'll continue to 'salt away' material I feel worthy, and continue to build on my PSA Registry Sets, and hope "my cardboard passions' can live up to the expectations of fellow collectors here.
rbd >>
For the last time his name is Jordan.......Geez
Where is that lava lamp?
Collecting Minnie Minoso Master and Basic 1967 Topps PSA 8+ 1960's Topps run Mega Set "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
<< <i>packCollector - Nice card. I just sent in a 1979 OPC Ozzie Smith RC for grading. I was hoping for a 7, but based on your scan, it might get an 8.
Does PSA consider the OPC production process in their final grades? >>
ndleo, psa odes not fault a card for a rough cut so if your card has a rough cut it won't hurt you. It gets tricky on the corners as the rough cut can make them not square which is a grey area , I have seen cards with heavy rough cuts still get 9's but frankly they are so ugly that most people will heavily discount them and not pay the 9 price.
on my card , it has a very light rought cut , minimal at best which does not cause chipping on the black. I am happy it does otherwise the card would be accused of being from a sheet. It isn't because I pulled it from a pack myself a few weeks ago.
I've been following this saga since the start and rule in favor of the seller. You bid, confirmed the bid, and then were sent an email showing your bid. Pay the man. Court dismissed.
How much time has been spent on this ridiculous thread? My god, I hope everyone here has better things to do than argue over a friggin card. If you find yourself with enough time to spend countless hours fighing about a bid retraction, then go to the local hospital and volunteer to read to sick children.
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Greg M.
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<< <i>Well jayhawk, how an underbidder was willing to pay $300 for a common 1977 PSA 9? I don'r have a clue. I guess he didn't want to pay that price, for zef told me he was offering a "second chance" to that "underbidder". It was more like a "fat chance" than a "second chance", as in my wildest, I have no idea why someone would pay $300 for that card.
rbd >>
i can just about guarantee the underbidder would have honored his bid..
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<< <i>My question to all this is simply how did Robert retract this bid? I was under the impression one needed 12 hrs or more left in the auction to do so.
Steve >>
he didnt.. he freakin won the auction and THEN backed out.. heh.. >>
I didn't retract my bid, after the auction was over I explained my error to the seller, and he understood it was a mistake! I guess he's having a memory lapse. As he agreed to offer the item to the underbidder (via second chance) and I then agreed to pay any extra fees due to my error.
That was to be the end of it! So I thought?
rbd
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<< <i>Well jayhawk, how an underbidder was willing to pay $300 for a common 1977 PSA 9? I don'r have a clue. I guess he didn't want to pay that price, for zef told me he was offering a "second chance" to that "underbidder". It was more like a "fat chance" than a "second chance", as in my wildest, I have no idea why someone would pay $300 for that card.
rbd >>
i can just about guarantee the underbidder would have honored his bid.. >>
Well good for you!
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<< <i>My question to all this is simply how did Robert retract this bid? I was under the impression one needed 12 hrs or more left in the auction to do so.
Steve >>
he didnt.. he freakin won the auction and THEN backed out.. heh.. >>
frankly, you freakin dont know squat!
rbd
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<< <i>
frankly, you freakin dont know squat!
rbd >>
so am i incorrect in that you were the winning bidder but didnt pay?
<< <i> didn't retract my bid, after the auction was over I explained my error to the seller, and he understood it was a mistake! I guess he's having a memory lapse. As he agreed to offer the item to the underbidder (via second chance) and I then agreed to pay any extra fees due to my error.
That was to be the end of it! So I thought? >>
rbd, what was I to do? Either you were going to pay or you are not. Given your immediate e-mail following the auctions end, I realized 2 things.
1) You were not going to pay.
2) You were watching the auction and saw the price was over the $5.55 you claimed you bid and you did nothing about it. Why didn't you e-mail me frantically when you saw you were still the winning bidder at $26.51 during the remaining 6 hours.
Given the fact that you e-mailed me within a minute after the auction's end, I knew you were watching. Then you frantically paid me for the other auctions you won minus this one before I e-mailed you a reply. That was when I knew you weren't going to pay me for the contract you entered into with me.
Read this again:
<< <i>You got to feel for those sellers that spend countless hours hunting for "wax" and then spend "a pretty penny" to buy a wax box and then crack it open (this part is fun!) those '70s OPC boxes and packs! Spend "a ton of time" to cull out possible PSA submissions, fill-out the forms, package-up for PSA, pay for registered return mail, pay for those PSA grading fees, stand in line at the post office, wait what seems forever for that email from PSA, letting you know your cards and grades are ready, wait another week or so to receive your PSA slabs, oh yea! ...wait in line again at the post office, ...wait a minute! all they got out of that wax box was 3 PSA 10s and 12 PSA 9s, and 15 PSA 8s? Spend more hours loading cards for auctions on ebay. (Yep, it costs listing fees, selling fees, etc.) Ok ebay, pay extra for that gallery picture! Should the seller pay for those 10-day auctions (nah! ...thats enough bread already for ebay!).Wait another week for the auctions to end. Wait some more time to get paid (most likely, PayPal fees taken out), spend a lot of time carefully packing these auction items securely for shipping. Stand in line, yet again at the post office, hoping that the items arrive undamaged, maybe get some positive feedback for all the seller's quality efforts;
And how much did some of these Mint '70 OPCs fetch? LOL! >>
This hardly relates to the low value of OPC cards but more so the process the people(sellers) go through to get these cards to guys like you.
Just let it go guy. Liar is a harsh word, weasle is a slimey word, and you are not a man of your word. I don't know much, but I know this.
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1) Nobody likes to spend the time grading cards and having them sell for less then the listing fee, and there's no need to rub it in on a public forum-- which you clearly did with the little 'LOL!' at the end of your initial post.
2) Bid retractions are irritating and can get in the way of an auction. Change the way you bid. If you're bidding 'fast and furious' then slow down, and show a little consideration for the people who take the time to list their cards. The idea that 'I can screw up my bid and just retract it later, so I don't need to take the time to do it right the first time' is immature and irresponsible.
3) Maybe your inital post wasn't intended to be malicious-- and, in fact, I doubt it was. Judging by your bidding habits you don't appear to be the type of guy who thinks things through before he commits, so I wouldn't surprise me to discover that you didn't have a clue as to how your initial post would be interpreted. You're probably a nice, good hearted guy; the fact that you've tried to explain yourself on these forums is evidence of that. But you should show a little discretion when you post transactions that involve fellow board members.
4) Congrats on picking up some very nice cards at a very low price.
Does PSA consider the OPC production process in their final grades?
<< <i>Are you all nuts? I did for hit $555.00 what do think I'm nuts! You know by my other purchases from you that the bid was to be $5.55. We solved that problem, now you bring that up. >>
havent you also been known to spend several hundred dollars on single cards before?
p.a., what part of both parties agreeing that my bid was a mistake and what part of me agreeing to pay for any "surplus' fees that the seller may encounter to you not understand?
Listen p.a., , he has communicated with me that it was ok, and agreed to "let me off the hook" because of my error, the seller communicated with me just in the last few days, about more cards he's getting back from PSA and would give me a heads up about them. He was ok with what happened. I would have never left a traqnsaction unsolved. Come on look at my transactions, why would I do that?
We gave each other positive feedback on other items after the mistake took place. He is only upset, today because of the original post here today! He took something personal, out of the post, and quite frankly, nothing was personal, or meant to be personal on my part.
p.a., if you want to say I was the high bidder you can but when both parties agree not to complete the transaction, then that's it. We both did. End of story. And as far as me not will to pay for his fees? Thats silly, as I was glad to do so.
rbd
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what choice did he have but to let you off the hook?.. would you honestly have paid if he had held you to your binding contract?
<< <i>A few things.
1) Nobody likes to spend the time grading cards and having them sell for less then the listing fee, and there's no need to rub it in on a public forum-- which you clearly did with the little 'LOL!' at the end of your initial post.
2) Bid retractions are irritating and can get in the way of an auction. Change the way you bid. If you're bidding 'fast and furious' then slow down, and show a little consideration for the people who take the time to list their cards. The idea that 'I can screw up my bid and just retract it later, so I don't need to take the time to do it right the first time' is immature and irresponsible.
3) Maybe your inital post wasn't intended to be malicious-- and, in fact, I doubt it was. Judging by your bidding habits you don't appear to be the type of guy who thinks things through before he commits, so I wouldn't surprise me to discover that you didn't have a clue as to how your initial post would be interpreted. You're probably a nice, good hearted guy; the fact that you've tried to explain yourself on these forums is evidence of that. But you should show a little discretion when you post transactions that involve fellow board members.
4) Congrats on picking up some very nice cards at a very low price. >>
well said, and I agree with all you said, as I was not in any way trying to hurt anyone. In fact I was not even thinking that about anyone. I just picked out five recent OPCs that "hammered" for a small price. It just so happened that 2 of them belonged to him. That does not excuse one saying I'm a liar and a cheapo. It was just the opposite. We were both friendly and both were understanding about what happened.
Come on, the post was a "satire" on a what a seller goes thru from "cracking raw material" to getting it graded and then selling it on ebay. It was supposed to be "funny and informative". Not at all hurtful.
rbd
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<< <i>what choice did he have but to let you off the hook?.. would you honestly have paid if he had held you to your binding contract? >>
AMEN!
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"well said, and I agree with all you said, as I was not in any way trying to hurt anyone."
When you put this statement in the context of your proceeding posts I think it's hard to argue that you're not being sincere here. So, while I hate to act like the 'board referee' (Stone would kill me if I took his job, LOL!) I'm hoping this matter is now settled.
Also, it's important to realize that if the bid was a mistake then Jordan wasn't going to get $300 for the card anyway. That doesn't make the bid retraction any less irritating, but it's not the same as actually taking money out of the seller's pocket.
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<< <i>Are you all nuts? I did for hit $555.00 what do think I'm nuts! You know by my other purchases from you that the bid was to be $5.55. We solved that problem, now you bring that up. >>
havent you also been known to spend several hundred dollars on single cards before? >>
yes p.a., I buy many cards with high price tag, but that was not the case here, and the seller kwew it and I had his agreement about it!
It never would have been an issue, except for some newbie that bid some insane underbid. that's what made the whole mess really crazy. Just remember, I never bid high just to win a cheap card. When I pay hundreds of dollars for an item. It is because I feel the item is worth it. The 1977 common that I bid on was not one of those cards. Within minutes after the auction ended I was getting ready to pay thru paypal for a bunch of cards, when I discovered the mistake, and within minutes more, both zef (Jordon) and myself came to an agreement about the item. The problem was solved between us. The only unresolved issue was any extra fees Jordon might get from ebay. I offered to pay those fees. We were happy!
rbd
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<< <i>Also, it's important to realize that if the bid was a mistake then Jordan wasn't going to get $300 for the card anyway. That doesn't make the bid retraction any less irritating, but it's not the same as actually taking money out of the seller's pocket. >>
yeah, one more thing.. Zef's name is J-O-R-D-A-N.. damn, he's told you that already several times and you keep calling him Jason.. get the mans name right..
i was at a party one night and this dude kept calling a buddy of mine by the wrong name even after being politely corrected a couple times.. i couldnt really tell if the guy was trying to act cool, or what his deal was, but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene..
<< <i>It never would have been an issue, except for some newbie that bid some insane underbid. >>
phil_apostle isnt a newbie..
I apologize about my question - I was fishing and it was kind of dumb.
IMO, as was said, this whole thing came out due to special "timing."
An unintentional shot at a board member exacerbated by a previous bid retraction.
Anything else can all be written off has collateral fireworks that will be forgotten with one full rotation of the earth's orbit around the sun.
I think y'all are good guys.
mike
<< <i> but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene.. >>
<< <i>but it was obvious my friend was offended because after about a dozen times calling him by the wrong name, my buddy smacked him across the face with a lava lamp.. it wasnt a pretty scene >>
Now I need to hitch a ride!
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this is kinda what shape i think it was before it broke in several pieces..
<< <i>what choice did he have but to let you off the hook?.. would you honestly have paid if he had held you to your binding contract? >>
p.a., this was not a "what if" scenerio. that fact is HE DID let me off the hook, and weeks later, because he took a post personal tonite, that was in no way meant to be any kind of a personal attack, not even close! ...re-opened the issue, and attacked me by calling me a liar and cheap because I didn't pay his ebay fees? Come on!
That was not called for! (Come on Jordan, if you happen to read this post, just let me know how much you are out because of any extra fees. maybe you just didn't want to ask me? I do not know. As I was more than willing to pay you for those fees, I STILL AM, AS IT WAS MY FAULT, NOT YOURS! IT WOULD NOT BE A BURDEN TO PAY YOU, JUST ASK!)
As far as the "what if" if Jordan wanted to hold me to a binding contract? All I can say "we didn't go down that road". Jordan said he understood and quite frankly, if he receive $300 for that card byholding someone "hostage to a binding contract", knowing a mistake occurred (30 TO 100 TIMES THE ACTUAL BID - $5.55 to $555), would not say much for that person's character. If a seller would attempt to collect on an "easy to see" mistaken "type-o" bid, by using the "binding contract bit", would be, IMO, nothing more than a crook, doing "legal robbery". Jordan never once indicated he was holding me to a "binding contract". But he did mention he was concerned about any excess fees he might have to pay, and I told him "I would gladly pay him for those extra fees".
p.a., if someone won on item from you that you knew was worth, let's say a dollar, and somehow forgot to include the decimil point in his bid. Knowing the item was only worth a dollar, would any sane person try to hold the winning bidder to a "binding contract" to pay 100 times the value of an item? I'm sure you are an honest guy and would also "let that bidder of the hook"? And if the bidder agreed to pay you for any fees because of the mistake? Would even make it more honorable. heh?
rbd
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I collect 1977 Topps baseball. Although I retired my set from the PSA registry, I continue to build it as agressively as ever. As for the Madlock, it is not a common in my world or just another card to stack on a dresser or keep in a large plastic bin from Target. You see, I actually collect Bill Madlock. I am still looking for a truly fabulous example of his 1975 Topps card. I have purchased more '77 OPC's looking for variations than I care to admit, but as you can see in this thread from a few years ago, the Madlock bid I placed was not as off base for an actual Madlock collector as it would be for someone who, I apologize if I'm incorrect, failed to even mention the card by name in this thread. Rather, it is referred to a "77 common". Here's a thread from a couple years back...
OPC Variations & 1977 "MASTER" set
I actually was very fortunate in this scenario as I won a card for a very reasonable price when I was willing to honor my bid had I won the auction outright. In fact when I got home and didn't see the auction as "WON" in my bidnapper, I was shocked and told my wife "There's no beating rbdjr. I hope he appreciates the card and 'the search continues'.
The problem is that second-chance offers always make a buyer weary. Particularily a skeptical type-A such as myself.
The good news from this is that zef has a new customer, and he's local to me so perhaps we found new collecting pals.
I'm thrilled he gave me another opportunity to bid for the card. I fortunately didn't check emails for a few days due to family issues and I was moving as well and was computer-less until it got hooked up. Zef emailed and said the card was live and I re-bid. Simple as that.
In the event that I DID make a mistake and entered an erroneous bid amount, I would simply pay for the card, offer it to the under-bidder a month later, and would begin to type really carefully from then on.
You do seem like a passionate guy and it's great to "meet" you here. I think--I could be wrong--but some folks may get a Jim Crandell vibe from you as the cards SEEM, I say, SEEM, to be little more than a plastic case to you based on your bidding habits and approach in discussing them. I wouldn't take it personally if some guys get on you. I think the written word in a forum like this tends to come across real different than the same conversation in person.
Here's to the original "Mad Dog"!
Zef, thanks again! Now find me a George Hendrick!
dgf
As to bid retractions, I fall somewhere in the middle. I've had to retract a fair number of bids (usually 1 every couple of months) for an incorrect bid amount. That does have to do with how I enter bids - I try to do it quickly, and occasionally hit the comma rather than the decimal point (ebay ignores the comma) - I don't always catch it on the confirm bid screen, and if I don't, my bid is too high by a factor of 100. HOWEVER, I have always caught it right then and retracted it immediately, and entered a correct bid amount.
Nick
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For what it's worth, the Chambliss went for 3 bucks because it is so poorly centered and dodged a qualifier. If it looked like the Madlock and YANKEES was in the title, it's at least a $35 card...I can guarantee that price
dgf
<< <i>rbdjr,
I collect 1977 Topps baseball. Although I retired my set from the PSA registry, I continue to build it as agressively as ever. As for the Madlock, it is not a common in my world or just another card to stack on a dresser or keep in a large plastic bin from Target. You see, I actually collect Bill Madlock. I am still looking for a truly fabulous example of his 1975 Topps card. I have purchased more '77 OPC's looking for variations than I care to admit, but as you can see in this thread from a few years ago, the Madlock bid I placed was not as off base for an actual Madlock collector as it would be for someone who, I apologize if I'm incorrect, failed to even mention the card by name in this thread. Rather, it is referred to a "77 common". Here's a thread from a couple years back...
OPC Variations & 1977 "MASTER" set
I actually was very fortunate in this scenario as I won a card for a very reasonable price when I was willing to honor my bid had I won the auction outright. In fact when I got home and didn't see the auction as "WON" in my bidnapper, I was shocked and told my wife "There's no beating rbdjr. I hope he appreciates the card and 'the search continues'.
The problem is that second-chance offers always make a buyer weary. Particularily a skeptical type-A such as myself.
The good news from this is that zef has a new customer, and he's local to me so perhaps we found new collecting pals.
I'm thrilled he gave me another opportunity to bid for the card. I fortunately didn't check emails for a few days due to family issues and I was moving as well and was computer-less until it got hooked up. Zef emailed and said the card was live and I re-bid. Simple as that.
In the event that I DID make a mistake and entered an erroneous bid amount, I would simply pay for the card, offer it to the under-bidder a month later, and would begin to type really carefully from then on.
You do seem like a passionate guy and it's great to "meet" you here. I think--I could be wrong--but some folks may get a Jim Crandell vibe from you as the cards SEEM, I say, SEEM, to be little more than a plastic case to you based on your bidding habits and approach in discussing them. I wouldn't take it personally if some guys get on you. I think the written word in a forum like this tends to come across real different than the same conversation in person.
Here's to the original "Mad Dog"!
Zef, thanks again! Now find me a George Hendrick!
dgf >>
dgf, Thats all well and good! And I'm glad you got the card! Are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the winning bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would just pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? In order to win a card, you put a bid of $311 as your high bid? Well dgf, i guess you really do deserve the item after all? So let me get this straight, you used a sniping service bid up this (ok, I will not call the Bill Madlock card a common, out of respect to you!) card for you and because of your $300+ snipe bid, it triggered my $555.00 mistaken bid to $ 316, I get it!
rbd
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<< <i>are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the high bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? >>
...Yes, that is what the "newbie" is saying. I was trying to be gentle and positive with you and your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". If you bid and have the means to pay, you should pay. That's how I feel. It doesn't make me noble or righteous or better than you in any way, it's just the way I choose to do things. Step back and look at this thing big picture. Enjoy your cards and remember always...
Honor your Mother and Father, Don't shout in a library, deliver more than you promise, don't piss in the wind and Bill Madlock is a 4-time batting champ and that ain't common!
dgf
dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding.
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<< <i>your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". >>
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<< <i>your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". >>
i thought the same thing..
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<< <i>are saying if you bid $ 5.55 on an item and found out you posted a $ 555.00 bid in error (100 times your intended bid!), and then you see that you are now the high bidder on the item. You would not tell the seller you made a "bidding mistake". Are you saying you would pay the mistaken bid (i.e., $ 5.55 to $ 310) without first bringing it to the seller's attention that you left out the decimal point and the bid was 100 times what it should have been? >>
...Yes, that is what the "newbie" is saying. I was trying to be gentle and positive with you and your tone here sounds more than just a little "Crandell-like". If you bid and have the means to pay, you should pay. That's how I feel. It doesn't make me noble or righteous or better than you in any way, it's just the way I choose to do things. Step back and look at this thing big picture. Enjoy your cards and remember always...
Honor your Mother and Father, Don't shout in a library, deliver more than you promise, don't piss in the wind and Bill Madlock is a 4-time batting champ and that ain't common!
dgf >>
Cool. I'll collect my cards in plastic holders, stack them and store them properly, thank you very much! Good luck with your collection and hope you never get stuck paying a $ 300 for a 1977 Bill Madlock PSA 9.
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ignorance must be bliss..
Whether or not zef actually meant it, zef DID agree to let rdb off the hook for his "mistake". They mutually agreed to cancel the transaction. With that said, I feel that zef is in the wrong for bringing this up now.
Having said that, if I had been in zef's position, I would not have let rdb off the hook. rdb entered into a legally binding contract when he placed the bid. I would have absolutely enforced that contract, and rdb would have paid the $316 for the card whether he liked it or not -- even if it required a court order to get him to pay.
I have zero tolerance for this "mistake" nonsense. Frankly, I do not believe it was a mistake -- and that is why I have been putting quotes around that word. Even if it was a mistake, I do not care. It was not my mistake. It is not my problem. Harsh? Maybe, but I've been selling on eBay since the late 90s and I've heard every possible "my dog ate my homework" excuse. I'm at the point where I do not care if it was an honest mistake or a downright lie. The bottom line is that bidders need to take responsibility for their actions. rdb should have taken responsibility for his "mistake" by paying for the item. And if rdb was unwilling to do that, zef should have legally forced him to.
I also have a major problem with rdb's thinking that paying zef his seller's fees makes everything ok. That's garbage.
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
That's bull! You would have sold me the card for the opening bid of a few bucks, if he (Dogiehauser!) didn't bid on it, as I was the only other bidder! So because of this high bid sniping of $311.00 and my $ 555.00 type-o, caused this to happen, I've been collecting cards for some time and maybe not as passionate as the buyer of the madlock card, as he was willing to pay you $311 for the card and I was will to pay "tons less". That fact of the matter you called me a liar and a cheapo tonite, while I didn't even mention you in my original post. jason I didn't even realize that you were the seller for those items, until I made the post! I'm real sorry that you didn't reap a $300+ reward for the madlock card. And I'm happy that a deserving collector obtained the item for what I'm sure was a fair and more realistic price for a '77 OPC, not some inflated snipe price of $300+.
If I lost some credability tonite, I can't help that! I'll continue to 'salt away' material I feel worthy, and continue to build on my PSA Registry Sets, and hope "my cardboard passions' can live up to the expectations of fellow collectors here.
rbd
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<< <i>Before I comment on this situation, I will say that I have no personal issues with zef or rdb.
Whether or not zef actually meant it, zef DID agree to let rdb off the hook for his "mistake". They mutually agreed to cancel the transaction. With that said, I feel that zef is in the wrong for bringing this up now.
Having said that, if I had been in zef's position, I would not have let rdb off the hook. rdb entered into a legally binding contract when he placed the bid. I would have absolutely enforced that contract, and rdb would have paid the $316 for the card whether he liked it or not -- even if it required a court order to get him to pay.
I have zero tolerance for this "mistake" nonsense. Frankly, I do not believe it was a mistake -- and that is why I have been putting quotes around that word. Even if it was a mistake, I do not care. It was not my mistake. It is not my problem. Harsh? Maybe, but I've been selling on eBay since the late 90s and I've heard every possible "my dog ate my homework" excuse. I'm at the point where I do not care if it was an honest mistake or a downright lie. The bottom line is that bidders need to take responsibility for their actions. rdb should have taken responsibility for his "mistake" by paying for the item. And if rdb was unwilling to do that, zef should have legally forced him to.
I also have a major problem with rdb's thinking that paying zef his seller's fees makes everything ok. That's garbage. >>
You got it right and then wrong!
#1 Right: I was let off the hook!
#2 Wrong: It truly was a mistake in the bid.
#3 Wrong: zef ask me to pay for any excess fees, I said I would. That's no garbage!
edit: countryboy, I guess I'm different. I would have let you off the hook, if you made a bidding error 100 times higher by leaving the deciml out of the bid. No principals to prove here, "legally binding contract or not", if you were a customer of mine and made an error, and brought it to my attention, I wouldn't think twice about it, I would NEVER hold you to it! Different strokes for different folks.
rbd
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<< <i>rbd,
For what it's worth, the Chambliss went for 3 bucks because it is so poorly centered and dodged a qualifier. If it looked like the Madlock and YANKEES was in the title, it's at least a $35 card...I can guarantee that price
dgf >>
For what it's worth, the Madlock card would have also sold for three bucks, if you didn't bid on it. There were no other bidders involved in the item.
rbd
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ignorance must be bliss..
i'm going to bed..
<< <i>You got it right and then wrong! >>
From my point of view, I got it all right.
<< <i>#1 Right: I was let off the hook! >>
Absolutely. He let you off the hook, and he was in the wrong for bringing this up now. However, it is my opinion that zef made a mistake by letting you off the hook.
<< <i>#2 Wrong: It truly was a mistake in the bid. >>
You missed the point here. There's no way that you can prove it was a mistake, and there's no way that he can prove it wasn't a mistake. From a legal standpoint, it doesn't matter either way. You entered into a legally binding contract. Zef had every right to enforce that contract, and I feel that he should have.
<< <i>#3 Wrong: zef ask me to pay for any excess fees, I said I would. That's no garbage! >>
Again, you missed the point. I was not saying that you wouldn't have paid the fees. I'm sure you would have. My problem with this is your thinking that paying his fees makes everything ok. It doesn't make everything ok. It's basically the equivalent of zef going into a convenience store, buying a $2 scratch off ticket, winning $300, you ripping it up, and then you offering to give him $2 so he can buy another scratch off ticket -- in order to make everything ok in your mind. That's like saying "well everything is ok now because he went into the convenience store with $2 to buy a scratch off ticket and he is walking out of the convenience store with a scratch off ticket". It's complete garbage, in my opinion. We all know that the odds of him winning $300 on the 2nd scratch off ticket are next to zero.
rdb, as I've said, I have no personal issues with you or zef. I don't agree with how you handled this situation, and I feel that you should have taken responsibility for your "mistake". But the fact of the matter is that zef let you off the hook. That should have been the end of it. Again, I don't feel that he should have let you off the hook BUT he did. And it's my opinion that he is in the wrong for bringing this up on a public forum after agreeing to mutually cancel the transaction. That doesn't mean what you did was right. It simply means that zef let you out of the contract, and the issue should have been over at that point.
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
If I bid on this item a second time it was #1 I liked the card, but, most of all, #2 I like buying and bidding from sellers I've done business with that offer me good service, and your service was great. Lets see: I won the following auctions recently from you: During July and August:
1977 O Pee Chee #185 Jim Sundberg PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #208 Toby Harrah PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #26 Jerry Koosman PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #118 Greg Luzinski PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #187 Fergie Jenkins PSA 8
1977 O-Pee-Chee #22 Gary Woods PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #49 Chris Chambliss PSA 9
1977 O-Pee-Chee #185 Jim Sundberg PSA 9
1976 Topps #323 Rob Sperring PSA 9 (Been looking for this card for a quite a while, thanks! For my set, see below!)
1939 Movie Card Virginia Grey PSA 9
1939 Movie Card Joan Gardner PSA 8
I'm sorry that we had to come to this! As I would have been a loyal, agressive, long term buyer of your auctions, as i was very satisfied with your items! I'm sure you will do well with downgoesfrazier, as he seems very pleased with you and your items. Good luck to ya! rbd
PSA Registry Sets:
1976 Topps Baseball #1 All-time 100% 9.35 Set rating
1961 Nu-Card FB # 1 All-time 100% 9.53 Set rating
Pete Rose Master # 5 30% (With a ton of "raw Rose" waiting "in the wings!")
Buyer of '70s OPCs
...and more!
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<< <i>rbd
I apologize about my question - I was fishing and it was kind of dumb.
IMO, as was said, this whole thing came out due to special "timing."
An unintentional shot at a board member exacerbated by a previous bid retraction.
Anything else can all be written off has collateral fireworks that will be forgotten with one full rotation of the earth's orbit around the sun.
I think y'all are good guys.
mike >>
thanx! I appreciate that mike! (now I'm shutting-up and going to bed!)
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<< <i>
<< <i>dgf- I am glad that you bought this card from me no matter the price.
rbd- I think you lost a lot of credibility tonight, not my intention but a result of your STRONG remarks and demenor.
Those plastic holders contain pieces of cardboard inside. The cards are actually important to some people. RBD your callous manner and disregard for the people who make this hobby great, and by no means am I including myself in this category, yet
I responded the way I did after the way rbd had no sensitivity after his "mistake" and I appologize that this forum is more of a complaint committee at times than its intent, a board where people of a like passion and interest can discuss the ins and outs of the hobby. BTW, when I relisted the card, rbd bid on it! His bid...$5.55. Another reason I don't quite buy his admission of reckless typing and bidding. >>
That's bull! You would have sold me the card for the opening bid of a few bucks, if he (Dogiehauser!) didn't bid on it, as I was the only other bidder! So because of this high bid sniping of $311.00 and my $ 555.00 type-o, caused this to happen, I've been collecting cards for some time and maybe not as passionate as the buyer of the madlock card, as he was willing to pay you $311 for the card and I was will to pay "tons less". That fact of the matter you called me a liar and a cheapo tonite, while I didn't even mention you in my original post. jason I didn't even realize that you were the seller for those items, until I made the post! I'm real sorry that you didn't reap a $300+ reward for the madlock card. And I'm happy that a deserving collector obtained the item for what I'm sure was a fair and more realistic price for a '77 OPC, not some inflated snipe price of $300+.
If I lost some credability tonite, I can't help that! I'll continue to 'salt away' material I feel worthy, and continue to build on my PSA Registry Sets, and hope "my cardboard passions' can live up to the expectations of fellow collectors here.
rbd >>
For the last time his name is Jordan.......Geez
Where is that lava lamp?
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
<< <i>packCollector - Nice card. I just sent in a 1979 OPC Ozzie Smith RC for grading. I was hoping for a 7, but based on your scan, it might get an 8.
Does PSA consider the OPC production process in their final grades? >>
ndleo, psa odes not fault a card for a rough cut so if your card has a rough cut it won't hurt you. It gets tricky on the corners as the rough cut can make them not square which is a grey area , I have seen cards with heavy rough cuts still get 9's but frankly they are so ugly that most people will heavily discount them and not pay the 9 price.
on my card , it has a very light rought cut , minimal at best which does not cause chipping on the black. I am happy it does otherwise the card would be accused of being from a sheet. It isn't because I pulled it from a pack myself a few weeks ago.
nice card pack
sd
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