1970s OPCs Undervalued? Look!

You got to feel for those sellers that spend countless hours hunting for "wax" and then spend "a pretty penny" to buy a wax box and then crack it open (this part is fun!) those '70s OPC boxes and packs! Spend "a ton of time" to cull out possible PSA submissions, fill-out the forms, package-up for PSA, pay for registered return mail, pay for those PSA grading fees, stand in line at the post office, wait what seems forever for that email from PSA, letting you know your cards and grades are ready, wait another week or so to receive your PSA slabs, oh yea! ...wait in line again at the post office, ...wait a minute! all they got out of that wax box was 3 PSA 10s and 12 PSA 9s, and 15 PSA 8s? Spend more hours loading cards for auctions on ebay. (Yep, it costs listing fees, selling fees, etc.) Ok ebay, pay extra for that gallery picture! Should the seller pay for those 10-day auctions (nah! ...thats enough bread already for ebay!).Wait another week for the auctions to end. Wait some more time to get paid (most likely, PayPal fees taken out), spend a lot of time carefully packing these auction items securely for shipping. Stand in line, yet again at the post office, hoping that the items arrive undamaged, maybe get some positive feedback for all the seller's quality efforts;
And how much did some of these Mint '70 OPCs fetch? LOL!
Well here are a few OPCs that I purchased recently!
1977 OPC #49 Chris Chambliss PSA 9 1/3 - ONLY $ 2.99!
1977 OPC #22 Gary Woods PSA 9 1/3 - ONLY $ 2.99!
1976 OPC #184 Pete LoPresti #184 PSA 9 1/4 - ONLY $ 4.80!
1976/77 OPC #328 Dave Fortier PSA 9 1/1 - ONLY $ 4.80!
1976/77 OPC #362 Bob Girard PSA 9 1/2 - ONLY $ 4.80!
edit: Now, I know I got carried away with my example of a fictional seller's experience (and I'm sure I left out some steps! LOL!). I just wanted to illustrate, how difficult it is to break open vintage OPC material and attempt to come close to breaking even. I guess the thrill of pulling that mint Nolan Ryan or Pete Rose, takes away the pain a little?
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And how much did some of these Mint '70 OPCs fetch? LOL!
Well here are a few OPCs that I purchased recently!
1977 OPC #49 Chris Chambliss PSA 9 1/3 - ONLY $ 2.99!
1977 OPC #22 Gary Woods PSA 9 1/3 - ONLY $ 2.99!
1976 OPC #184 Pete LoPresti #184 PSA 9 1/4 - ONLY $ 4.80!
1976/77 OPC #328 Dave Fortier PSA 9 1/1 - ONLY $ 4.80!
1976/77 OPC #362 Bob Girard PSA 9 1/2 - ONLY $ 4.80!
edit: Now, I know I got carried away with my example of a fictional seller's experience (and I'm sure I left out some steps! LOL!). I just wanted to illustrate, how difficult it is to break open vintage OPC material and attempt to come close to breaking even. I guess the thrill of pulling that mint Nolan Ryan or Pete Rose, takes away the pain a little?

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Wether it be cards or cabbage patch dolls.
Ask a Beanie baby collector about value vs demand.
Even better examples of this are the prices realized for the same card/same grade before and after the big dogs get theirs.
Loves me some shiny!
In your 77 example , the commons are not even worth grading . there is too much 77's and it is not a full set so many sour on it. this was the year that opc's went from scarce to mass produced. the yankees card would have gone for 15-20 if the seller listed "Yankees" in the title. the rest would not.
it is very difficult to break even on these but take this example. if you break a 73 box and get a psa 9 willie mays , that card sold for $800 you are well on your way. as a seller you should never trust the market to make a price on these cards, if you do you will lose. i bet if those 1977 cards were listed at 9.99 you still would have bought them. if you are selling opc's start at your sell price and you will do ok. you won't sell everything but if a player or team collector wants it , they will buy it whether it is $2 or $12. I am saying this through experience as I have opened a few of these and had a lot of high grade opc cards.
I just got back a psa 9 71 opc red sox team card which I pulled from a pack, i would never trust the market to properly price this card since if 1 person is on vacation you I lose on a card that is irreplacable. if I start it high i may still get 2 bidders but I have locked in a good price on the card
here's another example , carew4me offered me $35 for a psa 9 73 opc carew , another buyer offer me 200. so if I put it to ebay I potentially could have sold it for $36. I would rather keep the card but it would be to late
rbd-
Thanks for making an example out of my auctions. Enjoy your cards.
Oh and an FYI, those came from a set I had and I wanted to see if I could pick out the 9's in the issue and then invest in a wax box of that year. I did, and I did.
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I offered more than that didnt I????
Hopefully you took the $200.
But it does underscore my point. I have a PSA 8 that I felt had better centering than the 9, therefor my demand was lower.
Loves me some shiny!
What about this one rbd?
The one YOU BACKED OUT ON!
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This guy is unreal! He lies to me about he didn't mean to bid so high, I let him out, I don't flame him on here giving him the benifit of the doubt and then this is the second shot my direction he sends on these boards.
The cheapo didn't even pay my fees after backing out.
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Loves me some shiny!
Yeah RBD
Care to explain out in the open what happened?
He said he meant to bid 5.55 and the "key got stuck" and he bid $555 by accident. He e-mailed me immediately after the auction ended as the other bidder bid last second. He was watching the whole time and claimed he didn't know his bid!
I think he bid high enough to put it over what anyone else would reasonably bid to ensure he won the card. The problem was that someone else tried to do that too and it just so happened that RBD's out of reach was higher! Then he backs out!
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<< <i>What about this one rbd? >>
whatever happened there does not look right, we all know the under bidder on that item and he is as good as gold and would have purchased the card .
<< <i>we all know the under bidder on that item and he is as good as gold and would have purchased the card >>
Yes Phil is as good as they come and I know that he would have honored his bid if it were the other way around.
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Stingray
Looks like he has a lot of problems with his keyboard!
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
555555 Oops!!
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<< <i>555555 Oops!! >>
But that one didn't cost me $300
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<< <i>555555 Oops!! >>
But that one didn't cost me $300 >>
Are you all nuts? I did for hit $555.00 what do think I'm nuts! You know by my other purchases from you that the bid was to be $5.55. We solved that problem, now you bring that up.
And you others questioning my honesty?
Some of the retractions are me bidding on items that I thought were PSA 9s! Buy were actually PSA 9 O/Cs, I have the bad habbit of trusting and not reading descriptions. I also have do hit the wrong price alot, but when I retract my bid, I do try to put another bid in ASAP!
I always try to let the seller know immediatly by eMail that I retracted my bid and why! I have not had a problem with sellers on this, so.
I also had some retractions, bidding on BVG 9.5, that after I got opinions from this thread that I was going to get "non-factory Cut from sheets" material and I was "throwing my money away".!
Jason (AKA Zef). What's your problem? If you remember, I went to bat for you emailing a seller on your behalf, when you were given a "negative feeback" from him.
He eMailed me back, stating he would not mutually agree to remove your negative feedback, because not only did you write bad stuff about him, accorfding to him, you called his home and I din't remember what you said to his wife, but he was angry! Since you want to bring-up dirty laundry. I posted this little "tidbit" about you. If you want, I can 'dig up this seller's email, who by the way, wrote a very nice email, was a gentleman, and was no where near, as described by you on this thread.
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<< <i>Yeah RBD
Care to explain out in the open what happened?
He said he meant to bid 5.55 and the "key got stuck" and he bid $555 by accident. He e-mailed me immediately after the auction ended as the other bidder bid last second. He was watching the whole time and claimed he didn't know his bid!
I think he bid high enough to put it over what anyone else would reasonably bid to ensure he won the card. The problem was that someone else tried to do that too and it just so happened that RBD's out of reach was higher! Then he backs out! >>
Respectfully, Jordon (aka Zef)
I did not lie to you, in fact, you and I both know it was a mistake, in fact I offered to reimburse you any ebay listing fees that you would occur from my type-o.
I even asked you again a few days ago and you said no problem, you already sold the item.
So what part of this resolved mistake did I lie about? Jordon (zef) My post here was not directed at you! I picked out a few OPCs that I recently won at "low winning bids", I'm sorry if a couple of these items were from you. I was just making a point on just how unpopular OPCs are.
I'm sorry you took this personally! But all of a sudden, you now have a problem with my "type-o" bid? You didn't have a problem with it yesterday.
I guess you changed your mind?
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rbd, you did that the same night you had your little bidding fiasco. I think you had a little bit of a conscience issue after you lied to me.
Also I did not say a word to that guys wife I mearly asked him why he would do that. Little did I know he thought 9:30 was the middle of the night and what he told you is that I woke his family up in the middle of the night.
I have no dirty laundry here. I am honest and I expect others to be honest as well although I know that is an unrealistic expectation. If you are so happy with your wins that is great, but you don't have to mock the sellers in the process especially when you know they are fellow board members and when one of them gave you a break in the past.
Please don't go ticky tacking here, we are all better than that. I simply call a skunk a skunk and I will not play your game.
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BTW RBD, My name is Jordan.
You e-mailed me after you saw I relisted the card and it sold again. You even had the balls to bid on it again! I have no problem when my auctions don't sell or sell at a low price. I do have a problem when someone puts me in such a disadvantaged position as a seller.
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<< <i>rbdjr1:Bid Retractions (Past 6 months): 23
Looks like he has a lot of problems with his keyboard!
Brian, I don't know how many items you bid on? I bid a lot (like sometimes many hundreds of bids per month!). Every time I make a retraction, I try to do it within the rules of ebay. I've bid on untold hundreds of items, and yes I've hit the wrong amount nuemerous times, and I correct my bids ASAP!.
As far a Zed's 1977 Common PSA 9? Well, I found out after the auction ended, that I bid $ 555.00 not $ 5.55. Don't forget I won others from Zed, a minutes earlier at a few bucks each.
So I emailed him immediatley, and told him of my error, and he understood. We both knew a 1977 common was worth a few bucks not hundreds of dollars.
Now weeks later, just because his feelings were hurt here (I guess?), zef is now bringing-up a long ago resolved issue between us, and is now calling me dishonest? I think he needs a reality check or something.
I've had 5400 transactions here on ebay, selling thousands and buying thousands of items. I'v only had 1 stupid negative feedbacl from a newbie, thats it!
So if anyone thinks I'm dishonest? You're nuts!
I can solve the problem, I just wilol not post here any longer, and you zef, can go back to stalking sellers over the phone, for all I care!
rbd
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<< <i>Brian, I don't know how many items you bid on? I bid a lot (like sometimes many hundreds of bids per month!). >>
Well I have been on Ebay since 1998 and I can honestly say I have never entered the wrong amount. Ever!
Slow down and pay attention to what you are doing and it probably wouldn't be an issue.
Not sure why you seem to have so much trouble with entering the right numbers??
<< <i>BTW RBD, My name is Jordan.
You e-mailed me after you saw I relisted the card and it sold again. You even had the balls to bid on it again! I have no problem when my auctions don't sell or sell at a low price. I do have a problem when someone puts me in such a disadvantaged position as a seller. >>
What the h e l l are you talking about Jason (zef)? I offered to reimburse you for any fees you incur because of my bid error. I did that righy away. I've been nothing less than a gentleman with you, I paid you immediatly after I won items from you. (With the exception of that one item.)
Did I or did I not contact you immediatle, and did you not agree that my type-o bid was an obvious error. You didn't have a problem with me two days ago, offering me the oppotunity to buy or bid on some OPCs you were getting back from PSA did you?
So you want to "burn bridges"? That's ok with me! IJason, I never meant tp hurt you with the original post here, in fact I didn't even look at who the seller was when I made the post. I'm sorry if you took it personally.
Nobaody, I'm sure paid any attention to who the seller's were, I'm sure. Until you made a big deal about it! My post was abou the low values of OPCs, and just how difficult it is for the seller. It was not directed at anyone, especially you.
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<< <i>Hey guys, anyone know where I can find the "PSA Sports Cards & Memorabilia Forum"? >>
I agree. I am sorry to you all to have aired a complaint in a public forum and I should have asked for advice when the incident ocurred instead of trying to protect the image of someone that I don't even know.
I now see that rbd could have made a "mistake" typing as he has yet to get either my name or my id right. In psychology this action is known to happen when someone is trying to cover something up.
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<< <i>Real nice.....Is anybody honest anymore? >>
Thanks vintage jeff, for calling me dis-honest, I really appreciate that!
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<< <i>Hey guys, anyone know where I can find the "PSA Sports Cards & Memorabilia Forum"? >>
I agree. I am sorry to you all to have aired a complaint in a public forum and I should have asked for advice when the incident ocurred instead of trying to protect the image of someone that I don't even know.
I now see that rbd could have made a "mistake" typing as he has yet to get either my name or my id right. In psychology this action is known to happen when someone is trying to cover something up. >>
Really Jason? Are you now saying that you expected me to pay you hundreds of dollars? When we both agreed minutes after the auction ended, that it was a mistake and that your only concern was not to get stuck with any extra ebay selling fees because on my mistaken bid? I told you immediately, "not to worry" I would cover any extra ebay fees because of my error, and YOU SAID OK!
Come on zef, I even followed up weeks after asking if you had any problems (extra fees). That was a few days ago, and you said no. That you sold the item and ALL WAS OK!
I guess, you lied? No I don't like that word, for I don't really mean it. I just said it because it seems you like the word? I meant to say, "I guess you were mistaken".
rbd
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What was your last ID name on the PSA boards?
Stone
rbdjr,
I respectfully don't care to discuss this anymore.
JORDAN
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<< <i>This guy is unreal! He lies to me about he didn't mean to bid so high, I let him out, I don't flame him on here giving him the benifit of the doubt and then this is the second shot my direction he sends on these boards.
The cheapo didn't even pay my fees after backing out. >>
I hate too think if someone really does lie to you what you would post?
I'll say it for the fifth time, I gladly offered to pay you any fees incurred. I'm far from, as you said, "a cheapo" and I do not lie.
Now, for the sixth time (...the first being minutes are the auction ended! LOL!). EARTH TO ZEF COME IN -- I WILL PAY FOR ANY FEES THAT YOU INCURRED BECAUSE OF MY ERROR. HELLO IS THERE ANYBODY HOME?
P.S. Jason (aka: zef), again, I'm so sorry if you felt "I flamed u here". Zef, I wasn't doing that (i.e., "flaming u"), you just must have read it the wrong way. The post wasn't about you at all, and your two items at all! It was about OPCs and sellers. Two of the auction items happened to have been yours, and I apologize if I "flamed you", I didn't mean to do that. And didn't dream I was harming anyone with my post, especially you Jason.
rbd the cheapo!
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<< <i>rbd
What was your last ID name on the PSA boards?
Stone >>
You're kidding, right?
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Why do you think he had another ID? Zef, did he do as he stated, offer to pay for fees after the auction, have not seen an answer to that? Not taking any side here, but I would have to wonder if sellers started seeing someone with 23 retractions as the highest bidder, if they might be a little nervous.
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I'm a liar, dishonest and a cheapo - by zef
Let's see, what was prior ID here on PSA?- by stone
Real nice - is anybody honest anymore? - by Vintage Jeff
Anyone else like to kick me tonite?
rbd
FYI, many of my retractions were with 4 sharp corners and DSL, for example, I may have been bidding on twenty PSA 10s from DSL, and one card may have been titled # 10 PSA 9, but I hit the bid anyway (my bad!). Happens alot, plus I do load lots of bids at once and do make mistakes, but have corrected my mistakes. I never had an issure correcting (retracting) that error (with a seller)
I have never had an issue with anyone regarding a bid retraction, except for mintxpress bidding on a Willie Mays BVG 9.5, I emailed mintexpress and stated I was going to retract my bid for $ 500.00 knowing the bids were well over $ 1,500.00.
He got angry, I think, not for my bid retraction but becuase I brought to this forum the OPC Mays card, and the almost 100% concensus here that it was sheet cut, and I would be wasting my money bidding on it!
I didn't need to retract my bid, as the bids were going much higher than $500 (I think the final bid was $1500?). As far as I know, out of years of buying and selling on ebay. mintxpress is the only seller that had a problem with my bid retraction.
I also retracted some bids, from sellerws that failed to disclose in the Title that an item was a qualifier (maybe 10 retractions like that in the past 6 months!). These are my fault, as I should have looked more carefully, at the seller's description. But I never had a single seller take issue, with that, because each seller, knew he did not disclose the proper grade in the Title. I take the blame for those mistakes. But like I said, my bid retractions have never been an issue.
I do not need to take this bs from anyone here, and it would make you guys feel better, I can cease from posting here altogether. As I do not need to take "digs from anyone". The fact that I left out the decmil point on a zef item (555 vs 5.55) is another issue that this seller decided to bring out on public forum. It was resolved. But this individual, chose to disregard our agreement and twist the facts to suite his hurt feelings. I gladly agreed to reimburse zef for extra fees. As that was the only issue. Minutes after the auction ended, we both mutually agreed that was the issue, as he agreed that my $555 bid was an error. I don't need this c r @ p!
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I do not understand why eBay allows bid retractions. There is a confirming step where you are clearly asked if you want to bid the amount you have entered. I took a look at the bid history on the item in question and it seems that if a $5.55 bid was placed by mistake it would have been obvious to the bidder immediatley, as the bid of $26.01 was entered earlier. The "mistake" bid of $555. would have then turned into a high bid of $26.51 letting the bidder know that he must have done something wrong.
Some people seem to think they can play games with other peoples time and money. My suggestion is if you can't figure out how eBay works you should stop bidding on items there.
Can anyone explain why bid retractions are allowed?
JoeBanzai
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<< <i>Stone,
Why do you think he had another ID? Zef, did he do as he stated, offer to pay for fees after the auction, have not seen an answer to that? Not taking any side here, but I would have to wonder if sellers started seeing someone with 23 retractions as the highest bidder, if they might be a little nervous.
Stingray >>
Stingray, my retractions are greater than most, because I bid 'fast and furious". But with the exception of one or two retractions, most are errors and I correct the error, or eMail the seller before I retract, I do not have a problem with sellers, as 99.999% of items I'm bidding on I want. I do agree to "clean-up and slow down a liitle with my bidding" as this would cut down on my errors. zef, was just hurt that 2 items mentioned in my original post; zef happened to be the seller. He simply got bent out of shape, and took it like I was attacking him personally. Not even close! Anyone who reads the post can see I was not attacking him at all. Maybe zef, just didn't want to ask me for the ebay fee, but I did offer it to him immediately, and again later. He had no problem with it the other day. I sent him a PM with congrats! on winning the baseball glove at the cubs game and again asked him if he had any problems with that card? He PM'd me back thanking me about the glove, and telling med that he sold the card and all was ok. With over 5,400 positive feedbacks (only 1 neg.), I hope all can see I can resolve any problems that come up, both as a buyer and as a seller. Stingray, I will try to cut back on my bidding errors. But is really not a big issue, just my "flaw" cheers!
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Steve
Pre and post 1977 (inclusive) OPC are two very different things. That is, when we talk about demand, great deals, unopened, etc., the issue year is very relevant.
I don't really know either of the two combatants on this thread, but have had one offline transaction with rbdjr and it went smooth as silk.
...good to see OPC getting some play.
Well obviously this is incorrect since the under bidder was willing to pay $311.
Just won this Beauty----1970 OPC Rod Carew PSA 7-----1 OF 1 none higher!!!
Well obviously this is incorrect since the under bidder was willing to pay $311.
Well jayhawk, how an underbidder was willing to pay $300 for a common 1977 PSA 9? I don'r have a clue. I guess he didn't want to pay that price, for zef told me he was offering a "second chance" to that "underbidder". It was more like a "fat chance" than a "second chance", as in my wildest, I have no idea why someone would pay $300 for that card.
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In the above scenario if the bids were 1000.00 over your bid why would you need to retract? You would have already been outbid.
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<< <i>I have never had an issue with anyone regarding a bid retraction, except for mintxpress bidding on a Willie Mays BVG 9.5, I emailed mintexpress and stated I was going to retract my bid for $ 500.00 knowing the bids were well over $ 1,500.00.
In the above scenario if the bids were 1000.00 over your bid why would you need to retract? You would have already been outbid.
SD >>
steve, you are right I didn't need to retract that willie mays, i should have just left it alone. I guess it was the strange reply i got from mintxpress. I wanted to make a point about "non-factory cuts/sheet cuts"!
He was pissed-off for all the attention he got here, I'm sure, regarding "sheet cuts", etc. I think he felt I (and this thread) was interfereing with his auction.
Steve, I didn't give it much thought at the time, one way or another!
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And hey, let's give it up for the photographer on this one. He certainly didn't leave anyone out of the picture, did he? Where was he standing, in the press box?
<< <i>wow , did this thread go off target! back to the program, here is one that you will not get for $2.99
Nice mint example ('71 Red Sox PSA 9)! (P.S. All the photographer needed was a zoom lens! LOL!)
...And you're not getting these for $2.99 either! LOL!
1972 OPC Larry Brown (Baseball) PSA 10
1973 OPC White Sox Team PSA 10
1975 OPC Dave McNally (Indians) PSA 10
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<< <i>My question to all this is simply how did Robert retract this bid? I was under the impression one needed 12 hrs or more left in the auction to do so.
Steve >>
he didnt.. he freakin won the auction and THEN backed out.. heh..