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1895 Morgan in Circulated Proof 20 Grade -- Photos

StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here's an interesting low-grade very circulated 1895 Morgan Dollar in PCGS Proof 20 grade. If it was not a proof only issue, I doubt that it would even have received the Proof designation...

Not my coin, just an interesting example that I wanted to share with you...

1895 PCGS Proof 20 Morgan Dollar - E-Bay link

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Stuart

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  • ddbirdddbird Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭
    Awsome!
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  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Holy crap!! That's a lot of money for a proof20 morgan! image
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    For that price, in that grade, I think I would just find one of the 95s with the removed mint mark and spend $20k+ on something else.
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,656 ✭✭✭
    I couldn't bid on an auction from a guy named "baloney".
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eric: I agree with you that it's not something that I'm personally interested in.

    So, all of you guys who want to spend $20K on a Proof 20 Morgan won't see me bidding on it...

    Stuart

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  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146 ✭
    Wonder by chance if this is one of the unknown 12,880 business strikes minted in 1895? 5 of the known BU 1893-S Morgans were found in a mint bag of 1894-S's.
    USAF vet 1951-59
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it!

    (But not for that kinda money.)

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since the 12,880 includes the 880 proofs its probly a pretty good bet that it is.
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  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146 ✭
    Ha Ha Tom, have it your way. One of the 12k business strikes, Nit Picker imageimageimage
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Wonder by chance if this is one of the unknown 12,880 business strikes minted in 1895? 5 of the known BU 1893-S Morgans were found in a mint bag of 1894-S's. >>



    Can't happen. The denticals were different on proofs, proofs can be spotted until the rims are worn down past the denticals.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For that price, in that grade, I think I would just find one of the 95s with the removed mint mark and spend $20k+ on something else. >>



    Or buy a 95-S and remove the S yourself.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure looks better than 20 to me.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its fer sure not the same 95 Proof that was bandied about here 6 or 8 weeks ago.
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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭


    << <i>Can't happen. The denticals were different on proofs, proofs can be spotted until the rims are worn down past the denticals. >>


    Different than what? There are no business strikes to compare them to. And the were four different proof obverse dies, each with different dentical positionings and some of the 95-S dollars have the same positioning as at least one of the proofs. So if there were 1895 busines strikes made, it would be possible that the dentical positioning could also match that of one of the proofs.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sure looks better than 20 to me. >>



    Yes, I agree. Most certifed VF-20 Morgan dollars look like hell. image

    Quite often the rarer the coin, the more conservative the grading in cases like this. Although if it did get an upgrade, it would still be a VF, and even another 10 points to VF-30 would not change the price very much.
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Can't happen. The denticals were different on proofs, proofs can be spotted until the rims are worn down past the denticals. >>


    Different than what? There are no business strikes to compare them to. And the were four different proof obverse dies, each with different dentical positionings and some of the 95-S dollars have the same positioning as at least one of the proofs. So if there were 1895 busines strikes made, it would be possible that the dentical positioning could also match that of one of the proofs. >>



    The shape of the denticals are different on proofs. I wasn't talking about the position.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Not to mention the date font and other diagnostics, which are in alignment with every authentic slabbed PCGS/NGC example in that thread from November about the apparently raw not Proof 1895 $. The reeds could be counted as well.

    Billy
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    it may be a PROOF, but it sure ain't PROOF-LIKE!

    K S
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>it may be a PROOF, but it sure ain't PROOF-LIKE!

    K S >>



    Even the Prooflike 85-P's looked more Proof than that "proof" 1895!

    Billy
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    I think I've seen this coin sell somewhere else within the last two years.

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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    The PF20 or the modified 85-P?

    Billy
  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Yes I remember that DLRC had a VF-20 for around (if I remember) about $18,000 several years ago. I thought about it and bought an 1894-P instead, which might have been made in 1895 anyway.
    morgannut2
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's neat! Here's another circulated proof... I wish I could photograph it again, this time under real lights, and with a tripod, and with 18 months more experience...


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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    1895 suffers from the same problem as 1909S VDB cent. Not that rare, but the demand pushes prices way way up. There are 706 listed at NGC and PCGS (not that we can completely believe those numbers).
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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭


    << <i>That's neat! Here's another circulated proof... I wish I could photograph it again, this time under real lights, and with a tripod, and with 18 months more experience... >>



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