edited- updated-got grade-1872 Two center-warning large pics

stephunter

I just received notice from Ngc that the coin graded F12. I was a little surprised, but I was thankful that it was not cleaned. I was pretty sure that it had not been cleaned, but when someone mentioned it it scared me a little. So how did I do on this? In an Ngc F12 holder for $440.00 total. If anyone has a picture of a VF coin I would like to see it.

edited to add:

A dealer friend looked at this coin and felt that Ngc may have been a little harsh with the grade, so I sent it to Pcgs on the quarterly freebie and just got it back in the mail today. Graded VF30.

Just picked it up at a local coin shop. Grade thoughts?

dthigpen

Cleaned!

As far as the grade goes, I'm not good with this type.

TUMUSS

VF cleaned (probably)

coinlieutenant

Cleaned/recolored whatever you want to call it.

Regardless it is a key date...

Merc

Sorry, I'm not seeing the cleaning. Looks like normal old copper. I'm guessing the color is slightly lighter under the strong lights for photographing. The motto is complete and WE is faint making it a F12.

coinlieutenant

I see dark purple instead of chocolate brown...

That is why I think has been cleaned. Perhaps it is the picture.

stephunter

In hand the coin just does not have the look of cleaned. Here is another pic with different lighting. Still look cleaned?

coinlieutenant

Stephunter.

That pic doesnt as much as the others. The best person to tell whether it was cleaned or not is you.

Original copper should have a color ranging from medium brown(like coffee with a bit of cream) to dark chocolate brown. The browns tend to, but dont have to, have a "glossy" kind of look to them. That isnt the right word but I cant think of anything better.

Cleaned copper will have a bright "red" look to it but have a very pink look to it. When cleaned copper has been allowed to tone down in an album or windowsill perhaps, the pink will eventually mosty go away but leave a purplish type of look that resembles your first pic.

Hope that helps. Despite my misgivings on the coin, I still like it. Love that date (business strike) on two cent pieces.

I just cherrypicked a nice raw coin (1872) from a consignment deal of Doug Bird's. I think it is a lock MS64 RB that is PQ. It is in for grading at NGC so if I am way off, take my advice and shove it down the toilet!!

V.r,
John

John

stephunter

Thanks for the feedback. I think I will send it in to see if it will grade. When I first saw the coin I thought it would grade fine because "we" is pretty much gone, but I have heard I may have a chance at VF because the sheild lines are pretty good. One way to find out for sure.

coinlieutenant

Let us know how it comes back...

John

WACoinGuy

I'd guess VF-20. Yes, WE is mostly gone but the shield and upper leaves look good. Who are you sending it too? I know PCGS tends to be pretty forgiving for this date grade-wise...

stephunter

Just got the grade from Ngc. See the original message for edited info.

ziggy29

Good deal. Regardless of the grade, the good news is that it didn't come back in a body bag.

dorkkarl

i like the coin a lot. great job!

K S

Russ

<< <i>The motto is complete and WE is faint making it a F12. >>



Merc sure nailed that one!

Russ, NCNE

stephunter

bump

dorkkarl

there's no way in freakin heck that coin grades vf, but i still like it ........ A LOT!

K S

Russ

<< <i>so I sent it to Pcgs on the quarterly freebie and just got it back in the mail today. Graded VF30. >>



You got a gift.

Russ, NCNE

RedneckHB

Merry Christmas!!!

BillJones

I'd grade the coin, VG, cleaned.

In olden times, the word "WE" had to be visible (very weakly) for a Fine.

As for the color, it's the kind of results you get when you use sulfur (with some intellegence) to tone down a cleaning.

Yep, Merry Christmas!

But at least it is a scarce coin.

Prethen

If you get/got a VF grade on that it was most certainly a gift. Here's a raw one I bought some months ago from Michael Dixon (his photo, too!). I bought it as a Fine-12 and it's Fine all day long. It's nice, but no way a VF AND you can read the "WE" on it even though it's a bit weak.

If you're coin is in a VF holder, it's now in a tomb and I would never break that coin out.

BillJones

<< <i>I bought it as a Fine-12 and it's Fine all day long. It's nice, but no way a VF AND you can read the "WE" on it even though it's a bit weak.
. >>



It looks like "olden times" are still with us, at least when it comes to some dealers who sell raw circulated coins.



<< <i>If you're coin is in a VF holder, it's now in a tomb and I would never break that coin out. >>



Those have been called "plutonium slabs." You handle them outside the holder only at considerable financial risk.

MICHAELDIXON

Wow! Don't ever break that coin out of the slab!!!!