What zenny said. And just to reiterate, no apology necessary.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>At first the putty theory came to mind, but maybe the point is more subtle than that. I remember seeing pictures of the 33 Saint and the experts at PCGS clamoring that it would grade 65. As a nongold collector its always been a mystery to me why digs like the one on the 33 and this one would garner it a 65 when a copper or silver coin with these kinds of marks would garner a 64 or less. I guess the lesson is that gold coins skate by with more marks for the grade then other metals do. Of course gold is softer but so what. >>
No need to apologize, I guess I should have stayed with my first guess. Lots of coins are sold with photos and if you are correct it is invaluable advice to all. Thanks for the fun. P.S. It still appears overgraded to me.
Sort of drives home the idea that a coin in hand can be evaluated fully and pictures can be hard!
Wracked my brain, to no good end other than keeping the juices flowing to think, thanks for the clue early on.
Maybe it's just the greasy thumb of the Frito's lover, wiped to keep the fingerprint from setting in. Always thinking the best!
Honest, it's been keeping me awake, looking/searching/thinking.
And now to sleep, perchance to dream! Ah, sleep that knits up the raveled sleeve of care....
Edited to point out that MacBeth and Hamlet were mixed in the metaphor. The clue was there all the time, and the Hamlet quote is '..."To sleep, perchance to dream- ay, there's the rub."
--From Hamlet (III, i, 65-68)
It's clearly a 'sleeper' with a bit of rub. Off to bed now!
If it was obvious in the pictures it wouldn't have been any fun - thanks for a interesting thread.
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<< <i>The images don't depict it nearly as clearly as I would have hoped (and that is my fault). But, there is either PVC or a substance (putty?) which was intentionally added to the coin's surface, on the upper part of Ms. Liberty, as well as her left (viewer's right) arm and above it.
When the coin is tilted and rotated under a light, you can see right through the substance to the lustrous surface beneath it. The remainder of the coin looks to be original, un-dipped, vibrant and quite attractive. >>
Newmismatist wild a$$ "guess" 12/1:
<< <i>. . . . you can't grade a coin from a photo - Coin could be an AU58 with slight rub, to an MS64 (a gift if a 64) - and it could have decent luster or it could be dull and litely thumbed with dental wax (or something similar to hide some lite lines to try for a MS grade). But to really determine what's going on with this coin it has to be held in hand and rotated sideways and up and down in good light to see how the surfaces interact with the light. Can't tell whether there's a touch of greenish toning (which would indicated unmessed with) or just a greenish reflection from the digital camera. No one seems to have mentioned the slight cut on Ms Liberty's right breast (left as you look at her) and possible flatness on her left knee (right as you look at her). Overall, I'm inclined to think the coin is a nice AU that someone messed with to try and get an Unc coin >>
Well, that was a close WAG.
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New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>At first the putty theory came to mind, but maybe the point is more subtle than that. I remember seeing pictures of the 33 Saint and the experts at PCGS clamoring that it would grade 65. As a nongold collector its always been a mystery to me why digs like the one on the 33 and this one would garner it a 65 when a copper or silver coin with these kinds of marks would garner a 64 or less. I guess the lesson is that gold coins skate by with more marks for the grade then other metals do. Of course gold is softer but so what. >>
No need to apologize, I guess I should have stayed with my first guess. Lots of coins are sold with photos and if you are correct it is invaluable advice to all. Thanks for the fun. P.S. It still appears overgraded to me.
Wracked my brain, to no good end other than keeping the juices flowing to think, thanks for the clue early on.
Maybe it's just the greasy thumb of the Frito's lover, wiped to keep the fingerprint from setting in. Always thinking the best!
Honest, it's been keeping me awake, looking/searching/thinking.
And now to sleep, perchance to dream! Ah, sleep that knits up the raveled sleeve of care....
Edited to point out that MacBeth and Hamlet were mixed in the metaphor. The clue was there all the time, and the Hamlet quote is
'..."To sleep, perchance to dream-
ay, there's the rub."
--From Hamlet (III, i, 65-68)
It's clearly a 'sleeper' with a bit of rub. Off to bed now!
<< <i>The images don't depict it nearly as clearly as I would have hoped (and that is my fault). But, there is either PVC or a substance (putty?) which was intentionally added to the coin's surface, on the upper part of Ms. Liberty, as well as her left (viewer's right) arm and above it.
When the coin is tilted and rotated under a light, you can see right through the substance to the lustrous surface beneath it. The remainder of the coin looks to be original, un-dipped, vibrant and quite attractive. >>
Newmismatist wild a$$ "guess" 12/1:
<< <i>. . . . you can't grade a coin from a photo - Coin could be an AU58 with slight rub, to an MS64 (a gift if a 64) - and it could have decent luster or it could be dull and litely thumbed with dental wax (or something similar to hide some lite lines to try for a MS grade). But to really determine what's going on with this coin it has to be held in hand and rotated sideways and up and down in good light to see how the surfaces interact with the light. Can't tell whether there's a touch of greenish toning (which would indicated unmessed with) or just a greenish reflection from the digital camera. No one seems to have mentioned the slight cut on Ms Liberty's right breast (left as you look at her) and possible flatness on her left knee (right as you look at her). Overall, I'm inclined to think the coin is a nice AU that someone messed with to try and get an Unc coin >>
Well, that was a close WAG.
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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