Opinions sought on this Trade Dollar..................LARGE Pics

ss350camaro

I've had this for a while now. What's your opinion on it?

Outhaul

Mmmmm...nice! I like the die-crack! I'd own it.

Cheers,

Bob

tradedollarnut

Fake. Sorry.

XpipedreamR

Ouch!

BillJones

Yea, sadly TDN, has it right. The detail is missing from the higher parts of the design, the relief is all wrong and the bubbles show in the surface in your off angle shot.

Send it back if you can. If you can't, stick to certifed coins. They are safer.

ziggy29

Sorry to say, you've been (perhaps literally) Shanghaied.

tsacch

Looks cast

ss350camaro

I got it about 3 years ago. VERY cheap (which was a very good indicator that it was fake).

It has some very nice blue toning around the edges.

It has much better detail than the Trade Dollar i have in my Dansco Type set album. (which i also believe is probably fake)


Any other diagnostics that stick out to alert that it's not authentic ?

kieferscoins

The bubbles ont he surface and graininy apperance tip it off right away. I bet if you weighed it, it would be underweight.

Cameron Kiefer

keoj

Cast it is....sorry.

keoj

ss350camaro

<< <i> The bubbles on the surface and graininy apperance tip it off right away. >>




The appearance of "bubbles and grainy surface" are the result of too much "sharpening" in photoshop.

The coin is smooth.

dorkkarl

cheap fake, worth 3 bucks.

K S

ziggy29

<< <i>The appearance of "bubbles and grainy surface" are the result of too much "sharpening" in photoshop.

The coin is smooth. >>

Can you have it weighed? The cast Asian fakes are usually considerably underweight.

ss350camaro

i don't have a reference handy that i can get the proper weight from. What should the weight be ?

(and the diameter?)

kieferscoins

The redbook has the weight: 27.22 grams and 38.1mm for the diameter.

Cameron Kiefer

BillJones

Get out a good 10X and look at the surfaces. I'm sure that you will see an lot of stuff going on that you would never see on a piece that the U.S. government made. Check between and within the letters and devices. There will be lots of lumps.

Also compare the overall relief with the real thing. Like I wrote before this piece is missing so high relief detail that is not conistent with wear. Here's a lower end Mint State piece you can use as a comparison. Notice how everthing is really sharp and crisp. Counterfeits don't have this degree of definition.

ss350camaro

Hey Bill,

Could you send that one to me so i can put it in my type set album and study it for a few years


Honestly guys, i had no delusions that this one was real. Considering what i paid for it 3 years ago ($5) that alone was a good indicator it was "Shanghaied".


It measures 39.3446 mm and weighs 25.8503 grams so it looks like it's too large and too light

keoj

There are many things to look at:

- Weight
- Diameter
- Diagnostics for the year (Example: Type I reverse or obverse for year 77 and higher)
- Look at the quality of the denticles (in this case, they look very poor which is why I think it is a cast)
- Detail of "Liberty" or "E PLURIBUS UNUM"
- Stars
- Reeds


Another item, many Trade Dollars have die breaks around the periphery of the coin. I have never seen a die break across the coin as is shown in this case.

keoj

tradedollarnut

Notice that the period after AMERICA is much larger than those after FINE and DOLLAR.

Edited to add: stick up a picture of your other coin, let's take a look at it!

ss350camaro

<< <i>Edited to add: stick up a picture of your other coin, let's take a look at it! >>



TDN,

I would but i'm at work. I brought the 1873 in this thread with me this morning to use the digital cam i have here.

When i get home this afternoon i'll see what i can come up with with my old crappy Kodak Digital and then TTT this thread for opinions.
(it doesn't have a macro so i have a hard time getting nice clear close-ups)


Thanks for all the input to my questions

BigGreek

Nice die break, VF coin. Funny surfaces, though.