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Since "everyone" seems to think that Bonds is on the Juice...

do you think his fellow MLB
PRO players will give him yet
ANOTHER, record setting MVP award this year?

Surely if they think for one second he is
on the juice, they would NOT vote
for him to this award, right?
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Let's watch and see....
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    what does opinions mean anyway? Players who rely on opinions are weak. Real numbers are 500 or 600
    or 700 or .400 or 3000, stick with those numbers and stop pretending that MVP's and gold gloves mean
    anything.

    Thanks
    Everyone Else
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Many of them are on the juice as well, so why would they care if he wins another?
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Juice or no Juice


    Bonds 756.....2006

    Dont like it ? Too bad
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Bonds 756.....2006

    Dont like it ? Too bad


    could care less actually ...
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  • The players don't vote on the MVP.its the sportswriters. I don't think it matters if there on "the juice",the vote would be based on performance. Sportswriters aren't judges.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1420.....sorry you must be upset about your Eagles and their poor showing this weekend, but if you could care less then why take the time to respond?



  • << <i>The players don't vote on the MVP.its the sportswriters. I don't think it matters if there on "the juice",the vote would be based on performance. Sportswriters aren't judges. >>

    This other award is not from Sports writers?
    So I guess the MLB coaches
    and Managers do not think he is on
    the juice?

    otherwise they would not give him awards
    for his "unethical cheating" would they?
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  • << <i>1420.....sorry you must be upset about your Eagles and their poor showing this weekend, but if you could care less then why take the time to respond? >>

    you are right on both.

    The Eagles SUCK worse than Dallas.

    and

    1420 wishes he was 1/1000th the talent
    that Bonds is!
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    BKAH - you are very strange ...

    1420 wishes he was 1/1000th the talent that Bonds is

    nope. not the case. I do not like Bonds ... never did. juice or no juice

    if you could care less then why take the time to respond?

    because I love seeing BKAH really act like a kid.


    edited because I do not want to act like a BKAH
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭


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  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭
    Since they've suspected that he is on juice the last few years and still voted for him, I don't see why this year would be any different. Steriods can help a player and other players are on them, but no one is doing what he has done.
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    The bottom line truth is that Bonds is hated by many if not most collectors! A majority of us
    collectors think he is a j-o and could care less if he wins 10 more MVP's. Many of us think he
    has cheated. Many of us respond to threads like this but could care less about Bonds collectibles
    and memoriblila. He's not liked and the cold hard truth is that while he has broken some great
    records he is not a fan favorite. I will never own a card of his ever. In fact, I just grabbed my
    1988 Topps set and pulled the Bonds card out of it and buried out in the back yard behind my
    big oak tree! This was after I took a .....nevermind .... !

    I hate Bonds and I am not alone!

    aconteimage
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cards Fan........Well Put.


    Aconte, hey settle down a little bit. A little extreme dont ya think?

    check your meds.
  • could care less actually

    Exactly how less could you care? I think you meant - couldn't care less

  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    noclass - my apologies. I didn't mean to offend you.
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  • No offense taken - just a bit of sarcasm image
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    perkdog,

    Just took a count on my meds and they are all there. I need to find a way to make sure I take them
    on a timely basis. Do you think Bonds can help?image

    aconte
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes,

    Dig up that Bonds card and tape it to your medicine cabinet.
  • Steroids/Cheating is the excuse that haters
    (some probably racially motivated)
    use to bang on Bonds because he is better
    than their favorite player and breaking
    all the records in the book.
    Aaron suffered similar fate when he neared
    715, except in the 70's it was not as PC
    so the jealous, hate-filled, losers
    (Like we have around here)
    just sent death threats and vicious letters
    to him claiming everything was wrong that
    they could come up with so MAYBE he would
    not beat Ruth, or somehow it would be
    Devalued when he did.

    It was sad, jealous, anger Aaron then.
    and still is with Bonds today.

    At least HE can laugh about it
    Since all his Fellow players, coaches and Managers
    do not think badly of him. image

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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i'm upset that a black man is going to break Hank Aarons record

    sarcasm warning for those that are ignorant.
    ·p_A·
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BKAH,
    I agree 100 percent. Good points. I have said it before and I will say it again. People dont really understand baseball. Yes argue that steroids will sometimes make a deep fly be a HR. Fine.

    What about all the free passes he has gotten, He still hits 2b's, with a high batting avg. AGAIN why doesnt Giambi, Bagwell ect..ect.. and all the other guys do as well. Let me answer that for you....They are not as good as Bonds. Argue that steroids and supplements help players. OK, weight lifting supplements were not around back in the day. Fine. natural talent back then might have been better for some players than now. Since Players have started on weights and supplements, all players have been afforded a fair playing field. Bonds is a GREAT PLAYER, one of the best ever. It is too bad all you Bonds Bashers cant take the time to appreciate his talent. Sheffield Arod and the rest of baseballs top tier players are all on the same playing field as Bonds, just not as good. Hey one other thing, when did Bonds get busted for Roids anyways?
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    BKAH,

    You don't know me. Normally, I would take offense to someone even insinuating that I may
    be racially motivated in my dislike for Bonds. Fortunately, I've come to grips that some of the
    biggest idiots and losers express themselves in ridiculous ways on the message boards. Many
    times this is out of frustration with one's own unhappiness or insecurity. I could only sit here
    and guess why you would make those comments about people like myself or Neal (1420sports).
    But why bother. It would require me to show my ignorance of a variety of topics. And I see
    no reason to stoop to the same level you choose. Your unwillingness to accept my views that
    Bonds is disliked by many and portrayed by the media as a mean, rude, and cold individual is
    fine. But to categorize me as a possible hate-filled loser shows a lack of class. I accept that Bonds
    has been found guilty of nothing and accept that you find him to be a great future HOFer. But
    all I did was give you my opinion on this thread you started. So then you call those expressing
    a counter opinion names. Sounds like a real chump move to me...

    aconte

    PS. I am a strong Republican supporter. I would find it beneficial to the GOP and G.W. himself
    if you consider removing your sig line. I'd hate to see my side lose votes in four years.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    BKAH - hate filled losers???? If you see that in these posts, you need the meds.

    People dont really understand baseball

    I do.

    Barry Bonds is a great ball player - no one was EVER questioning that. To compare Hank Aaron's public suffering to Barry Bonds "suffering" is ridiculous.

    What about all the free passes he has gotten

    What about them? How bout this: with all of the middle of the road pitching that is in today's saturated game, these Single A and AA pitchers (in Aaron's day) stand little chance against Bonds ... especially in todays ballparks.

    BTW, Giambi and Bagwell do not have Bonds game - never did.

    Bonds would have been a sure fire, bona fide first ballot, arguably All Time Great w/o roids.

    Now he is just an argument ... at least to those who know baseball.
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    well said Tony ...

    I would also like to point out to the perkdog that the Steelers may be the best team in the league right now. They beat the Eagles badly. I will point out that I was over the loss as soon as the game was over. Just thought I would let the dog know.

    Some should ask themselves? Am I happy with my life? Do my friends like me? Am I respected at my job? Do not answer the questions ... only reflect on them.
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  • Bonds is a disgrace to the sport, and history will prove him to be such.
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    4000000 displaced Iraqi refugees * 655000 Iraqi deaths *
    4047 dead servicemen * 27104 wounded servicemen *
    Billions of dollars wasted ....

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    BKAH time and time again always brings up the point that the only reason people think bonds cheats is because they are 'haters' or 'jealous of his talent'.

    I honestly think you are the last person on the planet who thinks he is clean.

    You are going to sit there and argue against medical facts?

    Fact: players do not become power hitters at the END of their careers. Bonds was a contact hitter, then in his 30s, became a power hitter.

    Fact: people's hat sizes do not change drastically once they are mature, let alone after they have turned 30. Bonds' has, significantly increased.

    I could go on and on, but you'd label me a hater (not that I care what you think, personally I think you are in denial and delusional). But for you to come on here and accuse people of being racially motivated and to hate bonds, well that's just ignorant.

    The great thing about this country is we can choose to dislike a player, and if we feel the evidence supports us calling out bonds as a cheater and doper, well damn we can do that all day if we want.

  • bonds is not a proven cheater but sammy is.
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  • I agree with BigKidAtHeart. Anyone who doesn't want to bury their face in Barry Bond's jock strap, like BigKidAtHeart wants to, must hate black people.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1420 I respect your replies. Yes the Steelers are a great team right now...heck they stopped My pats from hitting # 22.


    Pats vs Eagles?????..............Pats 28 Eagles 10 image


  • << <i>The bottom line truth is that Bonds is hated by many if not most collectors! A majority of us
    collectors think he is a j-o and could care less if he wins 10 more MVP's. >>

    I suspect that bonds could give a fat rat's ass about what you or "collectors" think. he is not playing the game to make collectors happy, because all "collectors" care about is what the value of his cards/autos are. whether he is cheating or not will likely never be proved beyond any reasonable doubt, but either way, bonds is playing for the person that matters and it is not you.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    I agree 110% with gobravesgo .... Bonds really doesn't care about anyone else except himself
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  • << <i>Bonds really doesn't care about anyone else except himself >>

    Who exactly should he care about?
    He does care about his team
    and his family, but other than that,
    Who should he be playing for?
    I agree with GoBravesGo too, in that
    he certianly does not care about what
    collectors think - if he did, he would not
    have fought the players agreement and
    not been excluded from the card sets
    last year.



    << <i>PS. I am a strong Republican supporter. I would find it beneficial to the GOP and G.W. himself
    if you consider removing your sig line. I'd hate to see my side lose votes in four years. >>


    Funny, since I got this banner
    From Bush's own website/store
    I bet he would be ok with it...
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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    fought the players agreement and not been excluded from the card sets
    last year.


    a real fan favorite that Potato head Bonds is, you betcha image
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  • CardsFanCardsFan Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Since all his Fellow players, coaches and Managers do not think badly of him >>



    You may want to ask Jeff Kent about thisimage
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lets be Honest here. Many of us if not all of us dont really "Know" any of these players that we bash or back on these boards. I happen to "think" Derek Jeter for example is a good guy even though I hate the Yankees. He seems to have a pretty good relashionship with media ect.. BUT who knows what he is all about? For all we know he could hate everyone and be a selfish dirtbag but puts on a show. Bonds probably is burnt a little from being subjected to so much attention over the years more so of people acusing him of being a cheat, an a$$ hole, or whatever. The truth is that we really need to form our arguments around performance and thats it. Performance is something that Barry is top notch. Lets leave racism, and opinions of character out of it and lets argue #'s.
    Bonds will win everytime. Bottom line thats what proffesional sports are all about, You dont perform? Well guess what? Nobody cares if your a nice guy...be a nice guy out of uniform and beat it.
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    BKAH,

    I posted my Republican comments because I'd hate to see someone on the fence vote the other
    way because of your idiotic comments. Obviously, your smart enough to understand my post that
    you ignored for the most part. Right?


    Bye-Bye!

    aconte
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    The truth is that we really need to form our arguments around performance and thats it.

    Perkdog, you are missing the point - many people think that his performance is at the level that it is based on using illegal substances. Perhaps you are one that doesn't believe Bonds is using steroids. This thread is basically about speculation that Bonds doesn't use them.
    No one questions his numbers, just his potato head.





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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fair enough


  • << <i>No one questions his numbers, just his potato head. >>

    It seems that 1420 is a haberdasher,
    specializing in hat sizing.
    How big is his head now exactly?
    How big was it in college?
    How big was it while he was at Pitt?
    When did it start to increase?
    Is it proportional, or is it more in some
    parts of the head more than others?

    And I am curious, did you meet with him
    and measured his head yourself...
    or did you have him measure it and
    then call you to keep you up todate?

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  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    There has been talk of Bonds being traded to the Mets. That would make the Mets haberdasher's job easier, as Bonds and Mr. Met share the same hat size.



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  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    Where did you hear this rumor?? as i would welcome bonds to the mets with open arms as long as he keeps taking the junk!!
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    just kidding kuhlman ... I was making a reference to the size of each ones head.
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  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    damn i was about to say roids or not ill take him!


  • << <i>just kidding kuhlman ... I was making a reference to the size of each ones head. >>

    see, I was right.

    1420 is just another hater
    that has nothing on him at all
    so he makes shit up about him
    like "uh, his head looks kinda bigger... duh"
    you are very very pitiful.
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  • << <i>BKAH,

    I posted my Republican comments because I'd hate to see someone on the fence vote the other
    way because of your idiotic comments. >>

    aconte, I am SURE that
    you being the ass hat that you clearly
    are in your day to day life, will turn far more
    people from GOP than anything I could
    ever do by simply defending a man against
    Baseless, unfounded attacks and rumours.

    How would you like it if someone were to
    begin to try and convice your wife that you were
    having an affair, with random rumors and
    conjecture, coming from people with something
    to gain, and a grudge against you, and nothing
    to lose in trying to make you seem guilty...
    How would you like that?

    Or what about if it was torward you boss about
    your doing a terrible job, or stealing, cheating, lieing, etc.

    or with your kids, that you are a terrible person who
    breaks rules, and everyone hates you...

    But again, it will not be true, it will just "seem" like it could be.
    How would you like that?
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  • here is the one that is just for Aconte!
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    and this one for 1420
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  • DirtyHarryDirtyHarry Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭
    BKAH - who cares if he's on the juice. He is an insolent A-hole who smacks the fans and institution that made him his millions. For those who oppose your position - you suggest jealousy and racial motivation?? I suggest no - he is just "The Ingrate."

    Yeah - he "owe's" us nothing. He reserves the right to be out for himself only. But he goes way passed any arrogance that Cobb or Williams may have demonstrated. He is insolent and infers racial overtones and delusion. He is a disgrace to the game in the modern era compared to his peers who saved it (Sosa, Griffey, Ripken, McGuire) when it was going down the tubes. I hope he attains all his personal goals, and that his head explodes one day from rubbing "the cream" on it.
    Proud of my 16x20 autographed and framed collection - all signed in person. Not big on modern - I'm stuck in the past!
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    BKAH - I have a feeling that you are not a very bright individual. Or well liked in real life ...

    Do you wear a mullet?

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    well said dirty harry ...

    BKAH is notorious for slamming opposing viewpoints, policing the boards, and being annoying.
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  • << <i>BKAH is notorious for slamming opposing viewpoints... >>

    all I have ever asked you for is
    Evidence or proof
    to which you offer that you
    "his head looks bigger and
    he is a jerk"
    so clearly you are an expert on
    Bonds measurement and steriods.

    Then when you are called on it,
    you resort AGAIN to name calling.

    who is the dork?
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