Of course when the coins are just pocket change ever chasing the greater fool it takes little imagination to picture the day that the greatest fool is all in. With so many pointing out the flaws that make this all possible it's none too surprising that there is an air mystery and suspense.
1. a major modern coin promoter is showing that the two-way street of buying and selling high-grade moderns is thin. >>
Ever try selling some old coins back?
Yes, and generally I do quite well.
<< <i> 2. the OP's company goes from customer unfriendly, to shilling for known sleezebags on cable TV like Jimmy Gerstel. >>
These shows have had guests from the director of the mint to leaders in third part grading. I guess you'll painrt them all with the same brush.
Yup. If you lie down with pigs, be prepared to get dirty. why wouldn't the Mint and TPGs go on these shows? A decent amount of business for both of these types of businesses is derived by the Cable TV coin show hucksters. Doesn't mean that they are good for the consumer.
If you'd like to defend the Cable TV coin shows, be my guest...........
<< <i> 3. just because you write a well known book on the types of coins you sell, doesn't mean you have any more ethical business practices than the next guy (and sometimes less) >>
If you'd like to defend the Cable TV coin shows, be my guest........... ) >>
Most of these deserve no defense but this isn't because of the high prices so much as the misrepresentation and hucksterism.
High overhead assures high prices.
I feel that we should be pleased that there's enough dept to the market that these shows can even exist and then we should make damn sure everyone knows that these venues are usually (almost always) among the very worst places to buy coins.
To suggest that appearing on one of these shows equates you with their stars is hardly fair and hardly the equivalent of consorting with the devil.
<< <i>.........i had a coin I bought from R.T. , I held it a couple years and then sold it back to him - for over 2000$ more then I paid him for it .
It was a 1949-S Franklin that he even mentions in his book . >>
Wow---what a difference 8 months makes. The saga of the run-up and collapse of high-grade Franklin prices should be required reading for every beginning collector. There are dealers who will artfully peddle high-grade moderns like the snake-oil salesmen of the 19th century. There are many who would say, in response, that one should only spend totally discretionary money on coins, i. e., there should be no expectation that one's collection could be sold for anything (much less a profit). Very few collectors will accept this argument, which is a good thing for the industry as it would likely collapse otherwise. The real lesson here is that collectors need to learn the truth about the coin market, especially the fact that marketing rules-----there are lots of promotions that cause certain types of coins to be quickly run up in price, followed by a crash when the party's over. This is a dirty aspect of numismatics that relatively few collectors have learned to spot and steer clear of. It's also part of the reason why most collectors lose money when they try to sell their coins. If you buy coins, be sure that there is a genuine two-way market that extends well beyond the dealer that you bought the coins from.
One other take-home lesson from this story: Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer.
As a collector of cameo franklins, I'm finding this thread to be 100% interesting..... Coin Lieutenant- if you want to hold on to that 1950 cam franklin, I should be ready to buy it from you in about..... 5 to 10 years....
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Well it has been 5 years, are you still ready to buy? Or, do you want to wait 5 more?
<<One other take-home lesson from this story: Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer. >>
An excellent observation, and a lesson I am glad I did not have to learn the hard way. This thread was very educational!
Franklins tend to be cyclical. I have built several sets whenever the market was low and everybody was crying: "the sky was falling." Whenever the market turned, I did well on them. So...now is the time to buy Franklins for the future. What do they say: "Buy while the blood is running in the streets and sell whenever everybody else is buying." or something to that effect.
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I wish you much success however R&I is not the only eBay style on line auctions site CoinSpace.com uses an eBay style auction platform for Numismatics only as well.
Wow---what a difference 8 months makes. The saga of the run-up and collapse of high-grade Franklin prices should be required reading for every beginning collector. There are dealers who will artfully peddle high-grade moderns like the snake-oil salesmen of the 19th century. There are many who would say, in response, that one should only spend totally discretionary money on coins, i. e., there should be no expectation that one's collection could be sold for anything (much less a profit). Very few collectors will accept this argument, which is a good thing for the industry as it would likely collapse otherwise. The real lesson here is that collectors need to learn the truth about the coin market, especially the fact that marketing rules-----there are lots of promotions that cause certain types of coins to be quickly run up in price, followed by a crash when the party's over. This is a dirty aspect of numismatics that relatively few collectors have learned to spot and steer clear of. It's also part of the reason why most collectors lose money when they try to sell their coins. If you buy coins, be sure that there is a genuine two-way market that extends well beyond the dealer that you bought the coins from.
One other take-home lesson from this story: Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer. >>
Franklins aren't moderns.
And as MichaelDixon said the time to buy something is when blood is running in the streets. Apparently now is a pretty good time to pick up a few cheap Franklins.
I don't believe you'll be able to sell your concept that people shouldn't seek quality just because a coin is common in a little lower grade. I tend to agree with you but most collectors don't. Oh sure, I'll fight and claw for a little better grade on even a coin that's common in slightly lower grade but I too am leery of paying very high prices for them. But don't lose sight of the fact that not all Franklins (and many moderns) are com- mon in slightly lower grades. Try finding a nice gem '53-S FBL.
Many do not understand the modern cameo market. It takes a special type of buyer who appreciates cameo coins.
If a dealer is not buying back the material he sells he will sometimes say "Sorry, no interest as I am phazing these out." Of course if the guy deales primarily in that material it is difficult for him to say this.
I don't like the way RT is being slammed here. His book on Franks is by far the best one I have read on the series. Coins are a hobby, what a willing buyer and seller agree on a rare coin is its value at that point in time. The market for ultra cameo classic coins is very thin and the average ebay buyer is too ignorant to price this stuff.
<< <i>I don't like the way RT is being slammed here. His book on Franks is by far the best one I have read on the series. Coins are a hobby, what a willing buyer and seller agree on a rare coin is its value at that point in time. The market for ultra cameo classic coins is very thin and the average ebay buyer is too ignorant to price this stuff. >>
It's mostly just a lot of people who don't know anything about the company, the coins, or the market. Some of them seem oblivious to simple truths and apparently haven't sold any coins back to their favorite dealers as well.
If anyone thinks they can compete with R&I there's nothing stopping them. All they have to do is buy a few unopened sets on eBay and have at it. I'm sure their repu- tation won't be as good as R&I. But go ahead, it's easy to make money in the modern markets and Franklins since collectors are so unsophisticated they won't even concern themselves with real market prices.
After reading thru all this, its just re affirms my opinion that this type of market is a one way market. Dealers push this type of material saying its the best of the best , and its hot, while all along they have made these coins cherrying them along the way from modern sets, collections etc. Then, selling for huge profits, but dont want to buy them back becuase they dont want to pay anywhere near what they sold them for becuase why buy em , when they can make em and make huge profits vs sitting on a thinly traded product that they have real dollsrs into.
Some of this modern 70 stuff has /is heading down the same path
<< <i>Dealers push this type of material saying its the best of the best , and its hot, while all along they have made these coins cherrying them along the way from modern sets, collections etc. Then, selling for huge profits, but dont want to buy them back becuase they dont want to pay anywhere near what they sold them for becuase why buy em , when they can make em and make huge profits vs sitting on a thinly traded product that they have real dollsrs into. >>
I think you will find lots of dealers will tell you collectors feel the same way- they don't want to buy them, they want to cherrypick them.
So- the dealer's the bad guy because he won't buy the collector's cherrypicks and he's the bad guy because he won't let collectors search his inventory for cherrypicks, too. Is that about right?
Having reread this thread from the past my current comments are:
1. R&I has some of the most gorgeous, eye appealling, cameo proof and SMS coins and MS coins I have seen;
2. R&I charges high prices for the coins that it sells;
3. Some of the coins that R&I sells can, with lots of time and effort looking through large quantities of proof and mint sets, be found by collectors and can be purchased for a relative pittance [cherrypicked, which every collector loves to do, for example MadMarty posted a thread recently about buying a 1964 proof set for around $11.00 that contained a cameo 1964 AH half];
4. If a collector wants to have a source from which he/she can buy high grade/high quality coins like those sold by R&I without substantial time and effort, R&I is a great source [you pay for the service provided by R&I in finding the coins you want and making them available to you for a few mouse clicks and your credit card]. In this case if you are a knowing collector and realize that you will not be able to easily resell the coin you bought back to R&I, so what. You buy knowing the playing field and if you do not acquire this knowledge before you buy you are foolish; and
5. If you are senstive to cost, spend some time looking elsewhere [other than R&I] for coins comparable to those offered by R&I and you will be able to find them and pick them up for less money.
I have spent time slogging through proof sets, SMS sets, Mint sets and individual coins at shops, shows and collections being liquidated and have had some good luck in finding high quality Cameos and Mint Set toners for very modest prices. Others here on the forums have done and currently do the same thing. For me a lot of the fun is the hunt for these coins. Simply surfing a specialty dealer's web site and clicking to "Add to my cart" to acquire a similar coins is not my idea of fun.
<< <i>Like i said my friend, check it out! For the FIRST MONTH we have the auction sight open it is 100% FREE TO LIST COINS if you do not buy any add on features! For now it only costs money if you sell the coin. You found that under the Fees & Services section im guessing, and after the first month that will come into play. And, coinlieutenant, our telephone # is no secret... 858 792 1219 we are not "evading" you, but we believe these issues are private. But i can not guarentee that we will buy your coin back, for all we know you dipped it in acid. Now... R&I has THE LONGEST return NO QUESTIONS ASKED policy of 15 DAYS!!!(unless of course it looks like you took a hammer to it). We are reasonable people with good business ethics. We have always taken pride in selling the best of we have to offer, and making sure the customer recieves what s/he is expecting. >>
"But i can not guarentee that we will buy your coin back, for all we know you dipped it in acid. "
My god what online marketing degree did this guy get?
<< <i>After reading thru all this, its just re affirms my opinion that this type of market is a one way market. Dealers push this type of material saying its the best of the best , and its hot, while all along they have made these coins cherrying them along the way from modern sets, collections etc. Then, selling for huge profits, but dont want to buy them back becuase they dont want to pay anywhere near what they sold them for becuase why buy em , when they can make em and make huge profits vs sitting on a thinly traded product that they have real dollsrs into.
Some of this modern 70 stuff has /is heading down the same path >>
I think that pretty much sums it up pretty accurately.
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>Are they running auctions on ebay? I think I bought some moderns a few months back. That states all white haze free, well 3 out of 10 I got were crap. >>
R&I isn't much into moderns. What was the name of the seller so we can confirm?
Anyone know the best way to make the R&I catalogs stop? I feel like I am contributing to higher coin costs for others by receving that thing every week.
<< <i>Anyone know the best way to make the R&I catalogs stop? I feel like I am contributing to higher coin costs for others by receving that thing every week. >>
They stopped sending them to me when I stopped buying from them.
"Wars are really ugly! They're dirty and they're cold. I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole." Mary
Wish I could be as smart as R&I. Buy coins raw at a low price, get them graded as high-end cameo, make a name for yourself selling them and write a book on such coins.
Sell them for a significant markup, and you don't even have to buy any back anytime because you can always find more ungraded coins in the millions of proof sets out there.
If I can just figure out a similar business model, I could quit my day job. Alas, I don't think that will happen. I'm jealous.
<< <i>Are they running auctions on ebay? I think I bought some moderns a few months back. That states all white haze free, well 3 out of 10 I got were crap. >>
.........is this the kind of thing you were referring to ?
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<< <i>moderns == drama >>
Of course when the coins are just pocket change ever chasing
the greater fool it takes little imagination to picture the day that
the greatest fool is all in. With so many pointing out the flaws
that make this all possible it's none too surprising that there is
an air mystery and suspense.
Thanks guys.
<< <i>looks like a few things are happening here:
1. a major modern coin promoter is showing that the two-way street of buying and selling high-grade moderns is thin. >>
Ever try selling some old coins back?
<< <i>
2. the OP's company goes from customer unfriendly, to shilling for known sleezebags on cable TV like Jimmy Gerstel. >>
These shows have had guests from the director of the mint to leaders in third part grading. I guess you'll paint them all with the same brush.
<< <i>
<< <i>looks like a few things are happening here:
1. a major modern coin promoter is showing that the two-way street of buying and selling high-grade moderns is thin. >>
Ever try selling some old coins back?
Yes, and generally I do quite well.
<< <i>
2. the OP's company goes from customer unfriendly, to shilling for known sleezebags on cable TV like Jimmy Gerstel. >>
These shows have had guests from the director of the mint to leaders in third part grading. I guess you'll painrt them all with the same brush.
Yup. If you lie down with pigs, be prepared to get dirty. why wouldn't the Mint and TPGs go on these shows? A decent amount of business for both of these types of businesses is derived by the Cable TV coin show hucksters. Doesn't mean that they are good for the consumer.
If you'd like to defend the Cable TV coin shows, be my guest...........
<< <i>
3. just because you write a well known book on the types of coins you sell, doesn't mean you have any more ethical business practices than the next guy (and sometimes less) >>
This deserves no response.
Suit yourself. how am I wrong here?
>>
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<< <i>
If you'd like to defend the Cable TV coin shows, be my guest........... ) >>
Most of these deserve no defense but this isn't because of the high
prices so much as the misrepresentation and hucksterism.
High overhead assures high prices.
I feel that we should be pleased that there's enough dept to the
market that these shows can even exist and then we should make
damn sure everyone knows that these venues are usually (almost
always) among the very worst places to buy coins.
To suggest that appearing on one of these shows equates you with
their stars is hardly fair and hardly the equivalent of consorting with
the devil.
<< <i>and a 1967 SMS Kennedy Birthmark NGC67UCAM (which crossed to a PCGS 67DCAM)). >>
PICS!!!!!!!
Russ, NCNE
It was a 1949-S Franklin that he even mentions in his book .
<< <i>.........i had a coin I bought from R.T. , I held it a couple years and then sold it back to him - for over 2000$ more then I paid him for it .
It was a 1949-S Franklin that he even mentions in his book . >>
Wow---what a difference 8 months makes. The saga of the run-up and collapse of high-grade Franklin prices should be required reading for every beginning collector. There are dealers who will artfully peddle high-grade moderns like the snake-oil salesmen of the 19th century. There are many who would say, in response, that one should only spend totally discretionary money on coins, i. e., there should be no expectation that one's collection could be sold for anything (much less a profit). Very few collectors will accept this argument, which is a good thing for the industry as it would likely collapse otherwise. The real lesson here is that collectors need to learn the truth about the coin market, especially the fact that marketing rules-----there are lots of promotions that cause certain types of coins to be quickly run up in price, followed by a crash when the party's over. This is a dirty aspect of numismatics that relatively few collectors have learned to spot and steer clear of. It's also part of the reason why most collectors lose money when they try to sell their coins. If you buy coins, be sure that there is a genuine two-way market that extends well beyond the dealer that you bought the coins from.
One other take-home lesson from this story:
Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer.
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As a collector of cameo franklins, I'm finding this thread to be 100% interesting.....
Coin Lieutenant- if you want to hold on to that 1950 cam franklin, I should be ready to buy it from you in about..... 5 to 10 years....
-------------------------
13flr.com >>
Well it has been 5 years, are you still ready to buy? Or, do you want to wait 5 more?
<<One other take-home lesson from this story:
Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer. >>
An excellent observation, and a lesson I am glad I did not have to learn the hard way. This thread was very educational!
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<< <i>
Wow---what a difference 8 months makes. The saga of the run-up and collapse of high-grade Franklin prices should be required reading for every beginning collector. There are dealers who will artfully peddle high-grade moderns like the snake-oil salesmen of the 19th century. There are many who would say, in response, that one should only spend totally discretionary money on coins, i. e., there should be no expectation that one's collection could be sold for anything (much less a profit). Very few collectors will accept this argument, which is a good thing for the industry as it would likely collapse otherwise. The real lesson here is that collectors need to learn the truth about the coin market, especially the fact that marketing rules-----there are lots of promotions that cause certain types of coins to be quickly run up in price, followed by a crash when the party's over. This is a dirty aspect of numismatics that relatively few collectors have learned to spot and steer clear of. It's also part of the reason why most collectors lose money when they try to sell their coins. If you buy coins, be sure that there is a genuine two-way market that extends well beyond the dealer that you bought the coins from.
One other take-home lesson from this story:
Any high-grade modern coin, that is very common (and cheap) in a MS/PR grade lower by one point, simply isn't worth moon money. Unless you are a clever marketer. >>
Franklins aren't moderns.
And as MichaelDixon said the time to buy something is when blood
is running in the streets. Apparently now is a pretty good time to pick
up a few cheap Franklins.
I don't believe you'll be able to sell your concept that people shouldn't
seek quality just because a coin is common in a little lower grade. I tend
to agree with you but most collectors don't. Oh sure, I'll fight and claw
for a little better grade on even a coin that's common in slightly lower
grade but I too am leery of paying very high prices for them. But don't
lose sight of the fact that not all Franklins (and many moderns) are com-
mon in slightly lower grades. Try finding a nice gem '53-S FBL.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Gee Paw, all these years I thought Rick was held in such high praise?
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Rick Tomaska has his shortcomings as do we all , but I am holding many coins from him that I consider to be the best money can buy ,
and after meeting and chatting with him - I believe his heart is in the right place.
Sometimes I yield to temptation and jab him in the ribs a little , but I try to stay loyal overall
I'm serious, btw. Please PM me.
Many do not understand the modern cameo market. It takes a special type of buyer who appreciates cameo coins.
If a dealer is not buying back the material he sells he will sometimes say "Sorry, no interest as I am phazing these out." Of course if the guy deales primarily in that material it is difficult for him to say this.
I don't like the way RT is being slammed here. His book on Franks is by far the best one I have read on the series. Coins are a hobby, what a willing buyer and seller agree on a rare coin is its value at that point in time. The market for ultra cameo classic coins is very thin and the average ebay buyer is too ignorant to price this stuff.
Do some of the other members like bushmaster still feel the same way about him?
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
and knowing that no one should have the right to judge another ,
we members of this board strive now to seek out the positive and goodness in each other
<< <i>I don't like the way RT is being slammed here. His book on Franks is by far the best one I have read on the series. Coins are a hobby, what a willing buyer and seller agree on a rare coin is its value at that point in time. The market for ultra cameo classic coins is very thin and the average ebay buyer is too ignorant to price this stuff. >>
It's mostly just a lot of people who don't know anything about the company, the coins,
or the market. Some of them seem oblivious to simple truths and apparently haven't
sold any coins back to their favorite dealers as well.
If anyone thinks they can compete with R&I there's nothing stopping them. All they
have to do is buy a few unopened sets on eBay and have at it. I'm sure their repu-
tation won't be as good as R&I. But go ahead, it's easy to make money in the modern
markets and Franklins since collectors are so unsophisticated they won't even concern
themselves with real market prices.
Some of this modern 70 stuff has /is heading down the same path
<< <i>Dealers push this type of material saying its the best of the best , and its hot, while all along they have made these coins cherrying them along the way from modern sets, collections etc. Then, selling for huge profits, but dont want to buy them back becuase they dont want to pay anywhere near what they sold them for becuase why buy em , when they can make em and make huge profits vs sitting on a thinly traded product that they have real dollsrs into. >>
I think you will find lots of dealers will tell you collectors feel the same way- they don't want to buy them, they want to cherrypick them.
So- the dealer's the bad guy because he won't buy the collector's cherrypicks and he's the bad guy because he won't let collectors search his inventory for cherrypicks, too. Is that about right?
1. R&I has some of the most gorgeous, eye appealling, cameo proof and SMS coins and MS coins I have seen;
2. R&I charges high prices for the coins that it sells;
3. Some of the coins that R&I sells can, with lots of time and effort looking through large quantities of proof and mint sets, be found by collectors and can be purchased for a relative pittance [cherrypicked, which every collector loves to do, for example MadMarty posted a thread recently about buying a 1964 proof set for around $11.00 that contained a cameo 1964 AH half];
4. If a collector wants to have a source from which he/she can buy high grade/high quality coins like those sold by R&I without substantial time and effort, R&I is a great source [you pay for the service provided by R&I in finding the coins you want and making them available to you for a few mouse clicks and your credit card]. In this case if you are a knowing collector and realize that you will not be able to easily resell the coin you bought back to R&I, so what. You buy knowing the playing field and if you do not acquire this knowledge before you buy you are foolish; and
5. If you are senstive to cost, spend some time looking elsewhere [other than R&I] for coins comparable to those offered by R&I and you will be able to find them and pick them up for less money.
I have spent time slogging through proof sets, SMS sets, Mint sets and individual coins at shops, shows and collections being liquidated and have had some good luck in finding high quality Cameos and Mint Set toners for very modest prices. Others here on the forums have done and currently do the same thing. For me a lot of the fun is the hunt for these coins. Simply surfing a specialty dealer's web site and clicking to "Add to my cart" to acquire a similar coins is not my idea of fun.
<< <i>Like i said my friend, check it out! For the FIRST MONTH we have the auction sight open it is 100% FREE TO LIST COINS if you do not buy any add on features! For now it only costs money if you sell the coin. You found that under the Fees & Services section im guessing, and after the first month that will come into play. And, coinlieutenant, our telephone # is no secret... 858 792 1219 we are not "evading" you, but we believe these issues are private. But i can not guarentee that we will buy your coin back, for all we know you dipped it in acid. Now... R&I has THE LONGEST return NO QUESTIONS ASKED policy of 15 DAYS!!!(unless of course it looks like you took a hammer to it). We are reasonable people with good business ethics. We have always taken pride in selling the best of we have to offer, and making sure the customer recieves what s/he is expecting. >>
"But i can not guarentee that we will buy your coin back, for all we know you dipped it in acid. "
My god what online marketing degree did this guy get?
I have tried to stay off this post as I admire the man that runs R&I coins despite his past shortcomings .
As the boss , he is responsible for the actions of his employee's , and if not already given in another thread
each of us is owed an apology from Rick for the snotnosed , immature, and insulting tone of Brenden's comments
as he posted under the UltimateCameo handle .
Long live the mighty, mighty Franklin collector and the men who supply them with superb coins
<< <i>After reading thru all this, its just re affirms my opinion that this type of market is a one way market. Dealers push this type of material saying its the best of the best , and its hot, while all along they have made these coins cherrying them along the way from modern sets, collections etc. Then, selling for huge profits, but dont want to buy them back becuase they dont want to pay anywhere near what they sold them for becuase why buy em , when they can make em and make huge profits vs sitting on a thinly traded product that they have real dollsrs into.
Some of this modern 70 stuff has /is heading down the same path >>
I think that pretty much sums it up pretty accurately.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>"But i can not guarentee that we will buy your coin back, for all we know you dipped it in acid. "
I have tried to stay off this post as I admire the man that runs R&I coins despite his past shortcomings .
As the boss , he is responsible for the actions of his employee's , and if not already given in another thread
each of us is owed an apology from Rick for the snotnosed , immature, and insulting tone of Brenden's comments
as he posted under the UltimateCameo handle .
Long live the mighty, mighty Franklin collector and the men who supply them with superb coins
C'mon do you think your going to get an apology after years have passed, be serious.
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<< <i>Are they running auctions on ebay? I think I bought some moderns a few months back. That states all white haze free, well 3 out of 10 I got were crap. >>
R&I isn't much into moderns. What was the name of the seller so we can confirm?
<< <i> R&I isn't much into moderns. >>
Say what? Your credibility just floated away, my friend.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
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and last time I checked , there was no time limits set for apologies
<< <i>Anyone know the best way to make the R&I catalogs stop? I feel like I am contributing to higher coin costs for others by receving that thing every week. >>
They stopped sending them to me when I stopped buying from them.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
Sell them for a significant markup, and you don't even have to buy any back anytime because you can always find more ungraded coins in the millions of proof sets out there.
If I can just figure out a similar business model, I could quit my day job. Alas, I don't think that will happen. I'm jealous.
<< <i>Are they running auctions on ebay? I think I bought some moderns a few months back. That states all white haze free, well 3 out of 10 I got were crap. >>
.........is this the kind of thing you were referring to ?
Spot free- Haze free