MarKet Acceptable Toning? It's on its way to ANACS. . .

braddick

Now, in the same submission of Morgans I'm sending to ANACS, I'm including this wild Franklin. I've had it ready to go for awhile, but have been afraid the color might scare the Graders off. It's pretty wild. The lack of marks and the strike, coupled with the luster would place this one near the MS67 consensus. I think it's either a BIG coin or it'll come back AT per ANACS and then instantly become a little coin.

Just for fun- what is your percentage guess it'll holder out as real color? Instead of "it's AT", or "it's NT", give me the percentage of a chance it'll work with ANACS.

(I'll keep this Thread and post the results upon the Franklin's return...)

MadMarty

This is one FUGLY Frankie!!!

kieferscoins

5% chance it will holder.

Cameron Kiefer

Darkhorse

Is that nail polish?

BigD5

I don't think that coin will holder, at all. The pattern doesn't seem "normal" (if there is such a thing as normal) and the colors aren't what are typically found.

With that said, the coin could be NT, but I wouldn't think so.

braddick

I agree the photo, especially of the obverse, shows an ugly coin. I took the shot straight on (sunlight) so the luster and neat color isn't there. When it returns, in an AT ANACS holder or not, I'll take better shots and see where I stand.

FWIW: I only give it a 20% shot at holdering myself. . .

morgannut2

Isn't a '63 Franklin in 67 worth a lot of money? You might try all three services if it is really that clean and lusterous.

mgoodm3

I like the rev.

ColonialCoinUnion

0% chance it will holder.

ClausUrch

63's simply didn't tone like that....0 chance of market acceptability.

morgannut2

If it were a Morgan I'd give it less than 5% between 4:45 PM and closing, but its worth knowing the technical grade at ANACS if you say it looks like a "concensus MS-67" under the toning. I don't know if ANACS net grades due to "AT" or not.

braddick

They do, but's always "Net MS60" details, or something along those lines. You don't get the full grade on problem coins outside of what SEGS or PCI offer.

morgannut2

Well I didn't know that. I guess they think it would be speculation to guess the surface preservation of a coin, if or when it might be properly dipped to remove what may be artifical enhancement in their eyes.

keets

63's simply didn't tone like that....

very interesting comment!!!! what is it about 1963 Franklins which prohibits them from toning in a certain way which might be consistent with any other year's color or pattern??

now, understand that i assume you are alluding to chemicals which may be in the holders of Mint Sets or roll paper from earlier years, but considering that this coin is over 40 years and could have been who knows where in who knows what during any period of time in those intervening years, why would you make that assumptive leap of opinion?? with all that said, i have enough coins in PCGS/NGC/ANACS holders with colors similar in appearance that i'd have to believe the coin has at least a 50/50 chance of being viewed as legitimate.

but.......................

al h.

Dog97

0%

braddick

This One Made It Into an ANACS Holder...

braddick

So did This One (into PCGS). . .

Elcontador

Pat,

The Franklin to which you linked (that NGC holdered) has the infamous "toilet toning," which for some reason, the TPGs often find to be market acceptable. Actually, I think the reverse on this coin is original, as I've seen a number of SLQs which have toned like that. However, with no disrespect intended, the obverse of the Franklin which started the thread looked like someone puked in it 40 years ago, and then they left it in a heremetically sealed environment and then forgot about it. The reverse sort of looks like bologna that is about a year past the "sell by" date. Sorry.

braddick

JrGMan2004

100% chance it will holder!





















On the other hand, I figure 50/50 chance that it will or will not be net graded for Artifical Toning

Dog97

What Elcontador said. The 2 graded ones you linked are simply ugly, not fake so it's not surprising to see them in a NGC or PCGS holder.

mr1931S

ANACS should be trying to answer this basic question, "where would that coin, in a natural setting, have to be to assume those mostly unnatural colors that completely cover both sides of the coin?"

Should be a no brainer for the experts at ANACS.

ZERO.

airplanenut

Remember, the coins you linked are mint set years... and toned dark colors, as well.

Your coin will not get in a ligit holder without a net grade.

Jeremy

PS- I've heard from a few graders that the toning (even dark) on Franklins is the reason some get the high grades--the marks are covered. If you dip this coin, I doubt it would stay a 67, even if all the lustre remained.

Rampage

I think it will holder as original toning in ANACS, PCGS and NGC slabs. It looks good from the pictures.

dorkkarl

mkt UNacceptable, imo.

K S

relayer

The only market that would be acceptable in is Kroger's Supermarket.