How do you rate ANACS as a 3rd pg?

LittleBitOEverything

I was just wondering what the concensus on ANACS was, Personally I think they are pretty conservative. Actually I don't think I have ever seen one in a 66-67 holder? has anyone would be interesting to see one if anybody has a picture of one.

Shamika

I think you'll find that most users here believe ANACS deserves more respect that is generally given them.

Personally, I think they do a good job grading and I like that they do "net grading". However, I HATE those rinky dink slabs that they use.

And you're right, MS67 is a grade that I almost never see given by ANACS.

dthigpen

I rate ANACS on the same level as PCGS and NGC.

Goober

I like them. Great buys on coins caused by individual perception

dorkkarl

anacs is about as inconsistent and mistake-prone as any grading svc would be. their slabs are better though, because they're easier to crack out.

K S

oldcameoproofsguy

I think for the most part they're pretty accurate.

longtimecollector

If you're like me, and more into "classics" than moderns, you'll find ANACS a great alternative to PCGS or NGC........ A little cheaper, a LOT quicker, excellent at variety attribution. I've never heard of any counterfeits being slabbed, and I've never failed to have a circulated, non-net graded coin NOT cross to either PCGS or NGC....... I respect their grades for circ coins equally with PCGS or NGC....... ANACS does NOT have a registry, nor are their coins accepted by PCGS or NGC registries, so ANACS ubergrades don't bring the top $$$$$...... To draw an analogy, if NGC and PCGS are Cadillac and Lincoln, ANACS is Buick......

Longacre

Does anyone know how you can tell if ANACS has net graded something? Is it noted on the slab?

earlwbollinger

I put them in with the top three. PCGS, NGC and ANACS, all the other grading services go down below this.

longtimecollector

The notation is made on the label........ Typically something like this....... UNC DETAILS, NET AU, CLEANED

relayer

PCGS
NGC
ANACS

mgoodm3

it will say: AU details net EF40

ziggy29

<< <i>Does anyone know how you can tell if ANACS has net graded something? Is it noted on the slab? >>

It will look like this:

dragon

<<<Actually I don't think I have ever seen one in a 66-67 holder>>>

There's a reason you don't, it's because most people don't submit coins in those grades to ANACS...


As with most free markets, prices realized is the strongest indicator of any 3rd party graders credibility within the marketplace. ANACS graded coins will typically trade at a significant discount (grade for grade) to PCGS graded coins in the vast majority of cases, and at times are virtually untradable depending on the grade and series.

While many feel they are credible and consistent as far as circulated and problem coins go, their standing in the marketplace is a distant 3rd for high grade material as auction and private sale prices realized clearly demonstrates.

UncleWiggly

I had a ANACS MS67 1881S Morgan. Sold it to Williams Gallery. I think ANACS is great. They show up at most major shows and will look at your coins for you with absolutely NO pressure to submit to them. I saw that the ANACS table was one of the busiest at the St. Louis show, and a good amount of that was people getting coins from dealers on the floor and running them over for a check before they buy/returned. I have nothing but good to say about them.


Jerry

JRocco

I like ANACS a lot and they get a good percentage of my business.

bigtonydallas

I use ANACS for attributing varieties. They are as good as the top two.

Merc

They are very good at counterfeit detection. They even had a free seminar at the last FUN show and brought several examples of counterfiet coins for viewing. In grading, they can be accurate, but I have seen over and undergraded coins in their holders. I would say they are less consistent with their grading, but nice coins can be found in their holders.

One of my favorite ANACS graded coins in my collection is a 1944-S/S Walker in MS65. I had never seen an S over S before for a 1944-S half plus this one is so nice and flashy.

bestclser1

I think that ANACS is not only accurate,but sometimes even on the conservative side compared to the BIG BOYS.

kieferscoins

I am liking ANACS more and more. I actually just sent a submission in this week to them.

Cameron Kiefer

marz

<< <i><<<Actually I don't think I have ever seen one in a 66-67 holder>>>

There's a reason you don't, it's because most people don't submit coins in those grades to ANACS...


As with most free markets, prices realized is the strongest indicator of any 3rd party graders credibility within the marketplace. ANACS graded coins will typically trade at a significant discount (grade for grade) to PCGS graded coins in the vast majority of cases, and at times are virtually untradable depending on the grade and series.

While many feel they are credible and consistent as far as circulated and problem coins go, their standing in the marketplace is a distant 3rd for high grade material as auction and private sale prices realized clearly demonstrates. >>





who is this women with castro? She looks like grandmah Sally Fields!

marz

<< <i>I am liking ANACS more and more. I actually just sent a submission in this week to them.

Cameron Kiefer >>



for what? and how much do they charge Cameinhooffer?

kryptonitecomics

Yep, I look for ANACS coins on Ebay as I feel I am going to get an accurately graded coin at a discount.....and ....after all we are all buying the coin and not the plastic right???

kieferscoins

$15 each for 5 day service for 5 or more coins.

their site

Cameron Kiefer

DennisH

Compared to PCGS or NGC, I don't trust them at all when grading Morgans.

They seem to grade all mint state coins the way PCGS grades just CC dates (allows way too many marks), and they call coins with no marks mint state 61 or 62 even though all the frost has been rubbed off Liberty's cheek (that's AU58 to PCGS). They overgrade circulated coins by at least one grade on a regular basis, and with tougher VAMs two grades is not uncommon.

But that's just my experience.

291fifth

ANACS is very underrated. I don't expect to see much change in marketplace acceptance, however, due to ANACS weak marketing and the never-ending badmouthing by many larger, investment oriented dealers.

BigD5

I love ANACS!

You can't beat the turnaround, and they do a fine job. You can't beat that 5 day service for the price. I submit almost all my circ. and lower grade ms material to these guys, and they do an EXCELLENT job.

It's too bad the market perception is down on these guys because for resell, you simply can't send them any better unc. material and expect to get the same monies as pcgs and ngc slabbed coins.

I liken that situation to pcgs moderns vs. ngc moderns. There's a difference in prices realized, deserving or not.

Barry

I rate them very highly. I've sent more coins to ANACS than any other service by far. They also give free opinions at shows, which I have found very useful at times.

ChuckC

Based on the comments so far, ANACS needs to step up their marketing campaign in order to boost quality perception, and they can start by ditching those dinky slabs with the typewriter font.

dthigpen

<< <i>Based on the comments so far, ANACS needs to step up their marketing campaign in order to boost quality perception, and they can start by ditching those dinky slabs with the typewriter font. >>



Oddly enough, I like their dinky slabs.

ChuckC

Oddly enough, I like their dinky slabs. >>



What about the typewriter font?

dthigpen

<< <i>Oddly enough, I like their dinky slabs. >>



What about the typewriter font? >>



I don't mind it at all. I'm indifferent on font styles on slabs, as long as they are easily readable.

Manorcourtman

At a local Toledo coin show they were bashed by several people. I admit they grade faster then most but my experience has been very mixed. I've bought several Buff 5c in the last 6 months that were very overgraded. I've also submitted Morgans to PCGS that crossed with no problem. Overall...very inconsistant over the years. My opinion.....still far better than NTC, ICG and all the other bottom feeder 3rd party graders. My preference.....PCGS, NGC.......................then ANACS, although a far third. As is always said.....buy the coin, not the holder.

dthigpen

Basically, my process is that if it bodybags at PCGS, unless it's for PVC damage or active corrosion, it automagically goes off to ANACS. They offer a very useful service for not-so-extreme prices, and you never have to worry about getting a bodybag. All the coins I own graded by them are graded fairly conservatively, perhaps even moreso than PCGS and a couple.

clackamas

For Lincolns (Wheat), they are tighter than NGC. I can almost always get an ANACS coin to cross but have a tough time with NGC coins.

RBinTex

"For Lincolns (Wheat), they are tighter than NGC. I can almost always get an ANACS coin to cross ..."

How that 09-VDB DDO come out

Dave99B

I like ANACS a lot. Yes, they completely "blow it" occasionally, but who doesn't? I especially like circ material in ANACS plastic.

But they should bag NET grading. It's bogus, and taint's their reputation.

Dave

keets

While many feel they are credible and consistent as far as circulated and problem coins go, their standing in the marketplace is a distant 3rd for high grade material as auction and private sale prices realized clearly demonstrates.

there are some interesting replies so far on both sides of the discussion. the one above is rather interesting considering that just before it, the following was stated:
<<<Actually I don't think I have ever seen one in a 66-67 holder>>>
There's a reason you don't, it's because most people don't submit coins in those grades to ANACS...

in other words, ANACS is third rate because noone submits high grade material to them in order for us to see it in auctions which would help their status as one of the top services?? have i missed something??

actually, ANACS probably has high grade material submitted to them but it's either graded a bit more conservatively or it's just not seen at the auctions because it's crossed to one of the big two. they certainly fill a much needed niche for many collectors with the services they offer. funny, NGC seems to be copying ANACS with designations and other things while not copying PCGS. can it be that imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery??

some of the responses thus far only enhance my belief that PCGS sets the mark when it comes to grading. they are who most collectors tend to imitate or pattern their individual grade assigning after. if the same coin is holdered by each of the major services and in turn showed to collectors, the tendency is to believe PCGS has graded the coin properly. in reality, do any of us know what the proper grade is?? we assume we do because PCGS teaches us how to grade. funny, ANACS has been doing it longer and NGC chooses to follow them in certain areas while PCGS stubbornly refuses to change almost anything.

i don't know much, but i do know that progress is achieved through change. perhaps that's why at shows over the last few year there has been a growing preponderance of NGC holdered coins, a shift in market share. JMHO, but PCGS needs to quit giving us lip service and start giving us more flexibility in what they'll holder and how they'll do certain things.

al h.

Bochiman

I have 1 coin I would like to submit to ANACS, not more.
Is anyone planning a submission and willing to send mine along with?
(I pay for my share of course, and shipping it back to me).

Ron

PS...I live in the Seattle area if anyone local is planning it.

coinkat

ANACS has lead the way with attribution service which is a big plus. Unfortunately, their grading can be alittle inconsistant but that can be a plus if you play the crossover game and understand how they grade various series. They deserve more respect than they get.

thebeav

I have some of their MS Lincolns and have to agree with the grades.....I like the little slabs too !!

Bochiman, I'm in the process of putting together a submission. It's going to go the 'slow-boat' rate though.
I think that's about 10 bucks a coin. I have no idea how long it will take. No problem including your coin if you don't mind the time frame....
Paul

TonedPeaceNut

Why would anyone send any of their coins anywhere besides PCGS for authentification and grading? Seems rather silly to use NGC or ANACS not to mention all those other grading companies!

Pass the Kool-Aid!!!!!


TPN

dorkkarl

<< <i>I've never heard of any counterfeits being slabbed >>

anacs, just like EVERY other 3pg, HAS inadvertently certified counterfeit coins. but like any reliable 3pg would do, they buy back mistakes.



<< <i><<<Actually I don't think I have ever seen one in a 66-67 holder>>>

There's a reason you don't, it's because most people don't submit coins in those grades to ANACS >>

i disagree. i suspect MANY coins in those grades have been submitted (perhaps inadvertently) to anacs. but you can bet your booty that a coin that comes back ms-68 in a anacs holder will be instantly be cracked out & on it's way to pcgs or ngc.

K S

granddad

Received 3 coins graded 66 back from ANACS about a month ago. A morgan, a proof jeff. and a commem.

Have a Great Day!
Louis

paigowjohnny

As a relative newb compared to a lot of folks here...I live and die by the ANA grading guide (flaws and all). In my comparatively limited experience, I think ANACS grades truest to the ANA standard. I realize that PCGS and NGC grade to their own proprietary standards, which probably stray from the ANA standard per their preferences...nothing wrong with that.

Within the realm of PCGS, NGC, and ANACS..I don't think one service's graders is any better or any worse than the other's I think they all have the same doses of missed calls and periods of inconsistency.

RYK

Personally, I think that ANACS is every bit as good as the Big Two, but they have not done nearly as well marketing themselves and have let the Big Two get an insurmountable lead in market share.

ziggy29

<< <i>Within the realm of PCGS, NGC, and ANACS..I don't think one service's graders is any better or any worse than the other's I think they all have the same doses of missed calls and periods of inconsistency. >>

Someone has managed to refrain from drinking the kool-aid.

For the most part, I agree. There may be some differences with high mint state coins, but otherwise, all are roughly equally consistent, from the coins I've seen and the opinions I've heard, relative to their own standard. While most here are on the PCGS bandwagon, PCGS doesn't necessarily grade the most *accurately* relative to the common standards, but the market opinion is that they are the most conservative (which isn't necessarily a good thing). NGC, for example, may be slightly looser on high mint state grades and slightly looser with the AU-58 grade, especially for gold (I've seen far more marginal 58s in NGC plastic than PCGS, for example). But elsewhere, I see little difference...and who's to say grading by NGC or ANACS is wrong? They are just as consistent as PCGS, and *maybe* their standards are closer to the common published ones -- I don't know, but they could be.

It's also a fact of life that the opinion of PCGS being the most "conservative" is exacerbated by all the crackouts of NGC, ANACS and other solid-for-the-grade slabs into PCGS plastic. NGC and ANACS coins that can cross are often sent to PCGS, so market perception becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If everyone suddenly decided to crack out their solid-for-the-grade PCGS coins to crossover to NGC or ANACS at the same grade, the latter two would look more conservative, too.

There are good coins for the grade and bad coins for the grade in all holders.


<< <i> Personally, I think that ANACS is every bit as good as the Big Two, but they have not done nearly as well marketing themselves and have let the Big Two get an insurmountable lead in market share. >>

Yep. And it's not just market share -- it's *mind* share -- perception becomes reality. The common perception of ANACS is as "the best of the rest," whereas for most types of coins in most typical grades, I think it's every bit the equal of PCGS and NGC.

marmac

I personally like that ANACS holdered coins don't always command the price of an equivalent PCGs/NGC holdered coin. It is cheaper on my wallet... so .......yes, ANACS is horrible, horrible, horrible....

TimListon

I like ANACS and have a couple sizeable sets in ANACS slabs, one is a Lincoln cent set 09-date, most of which I made myself many years ago. And I like the "dinky" slabs. I believe their standards are comparable to the other two, but as so many others have said, they are not hotshot marketers so ANACS coins sometimes don't command the $'s that PCGS and NGC do. That spells opportunity? And they do crack out easy. ANACS is a great way to buy rare date type coins you'd rather have in an album with the rest of your set. You get properly-graded stuff and don't pay the PCGS/NGC premium.

My biggest beef. The size of their slabs sometimes varies quite a bit. About 5% to 10% are significantly larger tan the rest. I wish ANACS would solve that problem.

kieferscoins

<< <i>My biggest beef. The size of their slabs sometimes varies quite a bit. About 5% to 10% are significantly larger tan the rest. I wish ANACS would solve that problem. >>



They did. The smaller sized slabs stopped a few years ago and the larger size are the current ones they use. Both are still out in the market and thats why you notice the difference. same with NGC and PCGS various types of slabs.

Cameron Kiefer

paigowjohnny

<< <i>ANACS is a great way to buy rare date type coins you'd rather have in an album with the rest of your set. You get properly-graded stuff and don't pay the PCGS/NGC premium. >>



Amen !!